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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Yeah ... as a few have been stating here.

    Draft Kalil at No. 3. Draft Jeffery at No. 35. Sign Peyton Manning and his buddy Reggie Wayne. Bingo! Our offense moves into very scary territory. Can you imagine Manning, Peterson, Harvin, Wayne, Rudolph and Jeffery running out there?

    Sure, it does not address the secondary as much as I would like, but there is a plethora of good secondary talent in this draft and in FA that we could still try to stockpile.

    That offense right there though would single handedly make us serious contenders in our own division and possibly the conference. And it is ALL doable.
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    I'm to a point where I really don't care about the defense. The Packers and Lions offenses are both unstoppable.
    The only way we can compete is to come up with an unstoppable offense of our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    Petyon Manning behind our OL, I don't think so. Surely he values his legs more than that.

    It was kind of fun watching Favre get the shit beat out of him, but not sure I want to see us destroy another HOF QB.
    Although I had to chuckle to myself about your last Noodle comment, don't forget, he really didn't get hit much in 2009 and when he did it was (he admitted as much) that he held the ball to long in most instances.

    He should have never came back in 2010, especially if he couldn't move with his bum ankle. Lets not forget, one of the premises of the WCO we run is the naked bootleg for cripes sake. What the heck did he think the defenses were going to do, give him a pass?

    As to Peyton. Rumor has it he can throw it just as far/hard as ever. His problem is the nerve that didn't regenerate is the one that controls his two fingers that control accuracy.

    If most remember, other than my deep deep deep disdain for the Noodle, the reason I didn't want him in 2009 was because of the issue with his poooooped (popped) tendon. Even though that didn't seem to be an issue, I am going to take the same tact with Peyton. If he can't throw accurately in a scheme that requires accuracy, it would be stupid to bring him in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Peyton Manning did fine behind that Colts offensive line for years (with Charlie Johnson blocking on his blind side). I am not saying that we don't need to upgrade at O-line, but a good quarterback automatically makes a line look a lot better than it is. Peyton doesn't get hit because he gets rid of the ball faster than people can get to him. That will continue no matter what line he plays with.
    That is one hell of a post there my friend.

    My only problem with that rationale is our staff doesn't really run a offense that is going to support that type of throwing.

    Pretty hard to get rid of it quickly when you only have 1 WR target to throw it quickly to. All D-coords will have to do (like they did last year) is keep the 3 TE's in blocking (LB'rs) and then all you have to do is double the one WR.

    Until this staff figures out that 3 wide can take pressure off the QB (and the OL for goodness sake), we will continue to have QB's getting mauled not to mention a fan base that continually hacks on the OL for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShowingMyHorns View Post
    Fact of the matter is he isn't healthy. And most likely wont be playing at a high level for 4-5 years. He cant even throw the ball to the left really. So it really isn't worth discussing.
    I hadn't heard the "Can't throw to the left" stuff yet. Interesting. What I have heard is he can throw it all over, and I mean "ALL OVER" in that he has no accuracy anymore.

    Not conduscive (no longer an accurate thrower) in this league, especially in our offensive scheme, or any scheme for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Although I had to chuckle to myself about your last Noodle comment, don't forget, he really didn't get hit much in 2009 and when he did it was (he admitted as much) that he held the ball to long in most instances.

    He should have never came back in 2010, especially if he couldn't move with his bum ankle. Lets not forget, one of the premises of the WCO we run is the naked bootleg for cripes sake. What the heck did he think the defenses were going to do, give him a pass?

    As to Peyton. Rumor has it he can throw it just as far/hard as ever. His problem is the nerve that didn't regenerate is the one that controls his two fingers that control accuracy.

    If most remember, other than my deep deep deep disdain for the Noodle, the reason I didn't want him in 2009 was because of the issue with his poooooped (popped) tendon. Even though that didn't seem to be an issue, I am going to take the same tact with Peyton. If he can't throw accurately in a scheme that requires accuracy, it would be stupid to bring him in.
    I agree it would be stupid to bring him in. We are rebuilding whether we like it or not and bringing him in for a couple of years is just a waste of money. Favre was a different story we were one player away from being special and he showed that in 2009. Manning would be in decline just as we got good and then we would have to find a QB and have him learn for a couple of years. Ponder will be a FA in a few years and that would be a wasted draft pick. I say we move on with Ponder and Webb, if Ponder doesn't work out bring in Webb, if he does workout move Webb to WR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    That is one hell of a post there my friend.

    My only problem with that rationale is our staff doesn't really run a offense that is going to support that type of throwing.

    Pretty hard to get rid of it quickly when you only have 1 WR target to throw it quickly to. All D-coords will have to do (like they did last year) is keep the 3 TE's in blocking (LB'rs) and then all you have to do is double the one WR.

    Until this staff figures out that 3 wide can take pressure off the QB (and the OL for goodness sake), we will continue to have QB's getting mauled not to mention a fan base that continually hacks on the OL for no reason.
    IF you bring in a Peyton Manning, the last thing you do is force him into an offense he doesn't know very well. Incorporate some aspects of what the Colts run, and let Manning have a say in gameplanning at first, just to ease the transition.

    Manning essentially ran the offense in Indy, if you take away his ability to call plays at the line and the comfort he had with the system, I'm not sure he'll be that effective for us, especially as a one-season rental

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    IF you bring in a Peyton Manning, the last thing you do is force him into an offense he doesn't know very well. Incorporate some aspects of what the Colts run, and let Manning have a say in gameplanning at first, just to ease the transition.

    Manning essentially ran the offense in Indy, if you take away his ability to call plays at the line and the comfort he had with the system, I'm not sure he'll be that effective for us, especially as a one-season rental
    This. I did not even bother responding because we all know things would look a lot different with Peyton Manning. Good coaches tailor to personnel ... they don't force personnel to tailor to crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    IF you bring in a Peyton Manning, the last thing you do is force him into an offense he doesn't know very well. Incorporate some aspects of what the Colts run, and let Manning have a say in gameplanning at first, just to ease the transition.

    Manning essentially ran the offense in Indy, if you take away his ability to call plays at the line and the comfort he had with the system, I'm not sure he'll be that effective for us, especially as a one-season rental
    What?

    OK my friend, who on our team will run the routes that Garcon ran? Who will run the routes Wayne ran? How long will it take for those guys to figure out all the real (and fake) audibles Peyton calls at the line?

    Comeon, no way in hell they bring him in and force the whole team to convert to his act even if we did have the personnel.

    You need to quit listening to ESPN so much. (I still remember you don't watch ESPN, I just couldn't resist that jab).

    On a side note, it isn't like Peyton calls all the plays on his own. The coaches send in a player package that can support multiple plays. Peyton then picks what he wants to run, based on the defenses look. Nothing hard about that, hell, most QB's do it. What Peyton does different is all the language/verbiage he uses to get the plays out.

    Trying to get him and the OL on the same page would take years. Again, makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    This. I did not even bother responding because we all know things would look a lot different with Peyton Manning. Good coaches tailor to personnel ... they don't force personnel to tailor to crap.
    I almost didn't respond to this thread cause its really nothing but crazy talk just to think the staff would even bring in a cat that doesn't fit the scheme.

    But I wanted (hoped actually) someone would get us back to one of our age old discussions on here about "Good coaches tailor to personnel".

    Good coaches (Insert GM here for coaches) bring in players that fit their scheme. Bad coaches (Insert GM here for coaches) bring in players that don't fit their scheme.

    Case in point, what did the Jets do when they brought in the Noodle? Are you saying they tailored their scheme to fit him?

    Truth of the matter is they did the exact opposite. They tried to make the Noodle run a simplified version of their offense.

    To think the staff any staff would bring Peyton in try to run anything other than what the team was designed to run is crazy talk.
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