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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Shiny Hood Ornament Theory at it's worst right there.

    A CHFF theory elevated to Man Law | Cold Hard Football Facts

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    Pretty good read, but probably won't be given much credence to folks who still long for the Moss era.

    QB, OL and then WR sounds about right for achieving a decent passing game. A decent OC wouldn't hurt as well, but as we've seen a number of times, the great QB's will find a way to be successful.

    I think Ponder has a chance at being a franchise guy, but don't know if I am certain enough about it to let a Luck or RGIII go by if available.

    Trading down isn't out of the question, if you can get the right picks to make it work.

    I would still make the pick based on what the talent evaluators indicate is the BPA. Don't just take the best OL, WR, or CB available, take the player that has the best chance at truly being great and he will instantly upgrade those around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Shiny Hood Ornament Theory at it's worst right there.

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    What a dumbass:

    Even the greatest receivers of all time can make a big impact only when all those pieces are in place, and even then the impact is largely overstated. Even the great Jerry Rice, for example, touched the ball just four to five times per game.
    How the hell do you get over 100 receptions a year and only touch it 5 times a game?

    16x5=80.

    And hell, if you only touch it 5 a game that is more than an OL touches it in a season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    I am watching the Fiesta Bowl and just fell in love with the idea of drafting Justin Blackmon. I actually wanted to watch the game to see Luck, who has looked great but man, Blackmon is just plain dominant.
    To me he is a Michael Crabtree clone. Dominant in college, but just an average number 1 in the pros. I don't see him in the same class as a Megatron, fitzgerald, or andre Johnson. I wouldn't take him at number 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    What a dumbass:

    How the hell do you get over 100 receptions a year and only touch it 5 times a game?

    16x5=80.

    And hell, if you only touch it 5 a game that is more than an OL touches it in a season
    Jerry Rice played 303 games in his career and had 1549 receptions - or 5.11 per game.

    Sorry to confuse the issue with actual valid statistics.

    Here's a question for you: what round did the top WR in # of catches in 2011 get drafted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    I am not picking on you ... there are plenty of others ... but why is there a contingent of people around here that think there is ANY chance we get Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson?

    Truth is ... it is unlikely either one of those players is not on the team they are currently on next season. Bigger truth is ... IF they get to hit the market ... why the hell would they come play in Minnesota?
    I'm pretty sure they are both going to be free agents, so I don't think it's a stretch to think 1 or both could go to another team.
    As far as why would they come here, one reason, money. In recent years we saw Brandon Marshall go to Miami, and last year Sydney Rice went to Seattle, not exactly dream jobs.

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    Well after his outstanding performance last night against a tough Cardinals defense, I wouldn't complain if we took Blackmon at #3. It would give Ponder a huge target to throw to and besides, as good as Kalil is there are other good Tackles we can take in round 2. Obviously if Kalil is there we should take him but I think St. Louis needs to protect Bradford and they're looking like they're gonna draft a lineman. Blackmon just to me seems like he has a winning attitude and not the prima donna type i.e. Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. When OK State was down 14-0 he was in the huddle trying to motivate his teammates to get back into this game. It'll be tough because the Vikes need so much help on both sides of the ball, but at #3 IMHO Blackmon is the BPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbzz View Post
    Well after his outstanding performance last night against a tough Cardinals defense
    Who are the Cardinals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    Who are the Cardinals?
    Stanford Cardinals........named after the color not the bird

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    Notta chance. If Blackmon is there we're stupid not to take him. The best WR in the country. big, fast, great hands, exactly what we need.
    I agree with this. Just posted a similar thing in another thread.

    He is just TOO good to pass up. I remember people saying we should pass on AD because we had Chester Taylor and he was good enough. You don't pass on great unless there is something else great to take. The only player close to Kalil, Luck and Blackmon is Claiborne ... so if we pass on Blackmon to take Claiborne ... I am not going to throw a fit.

    If we pass on Blackmon for a "need" like a reach for a OL or some other position ... we will look like the morons we truly are for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Jerry Rice played 303 games in his career and had 1549 receptions - or 5.11 per game.

    Sorry to confuse the issue with actual valid statistics.

    Here's a question for you: what round did the top WR in # of catches in 2011 get drafted?

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    Cause # of catches is the best factor to determine the top WR. I'm sure things like the system used, playing from behind vs. ahead, injury to QB etc. has nothing to do with the number of catches a QB has. However, to answer your shortsighted and obviously skewed question....
    West Welker was undrafted.....which means we should skip the draft process completely (O_o) and just sign the left over scraps to create the ultimate team.

    1) The most productive WRs in the league are drafted in the late first round. sure you have a few undrafted guys and those in round 2-7 in there but that's the point. For ever guy you name that was drafted in rounds 2-7, i can name one drafted in the top 32 picks. You have to use a sample of over 300+ picks just to break even with my 32. When this is repeated over a 10 year span, I am comparing a total of 320 picks to your 3,000 picks. Do you see why this is .

    2) Teams do not trade/release Wrs that are not head cases ( the exception being Welker but do you think our brain trust can find a guy like him AND out smart another team to trade him for a pile of beans). You will not find value about WRs available on the free agent market. it doesn't happen. You will only find guys that are over the hill or come with baggage. You have to draft WRs and as I have already proven, the best come in the late first round.

    3)We need a serious injection of talent at the WR position. Look what Green did with the Bengals this season. We have no one to take the pressure off our QB and that is why he gets hit and knocked out of games like he does. I question whether speilmen's new position will allow him to see the big picture. This is no longer about the now. It's about the long term. If it is he needs to make a drastic move at the QB position. We have a Qb that has been knocked out of 3 games in his first season. Injury prone.

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