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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedpurple View Post
    Look at his stats from his senior season.... yep he was banged up.. but he didn't do shit last year... Yes, he has similar measurable to Hill... SO WHAT??

    doens't make him the same football player does it?... there is a reason one went in the 2nd and another in the 4th... Lemme ask yu who would you rather have??

    GT runs an option offense... maybe he only runs a certain routes, but so did Demarrious Thomas from Denver come from the same offense, he went in the first round and is a pretty good prospect to this point.... So gain... the underwear olympics don't mean anything...I hope Childs succeeds... he very well could... It's better or our team if he does...

    But this is the Vikings we are talking about... the Vikings... I'm not gonna hold my breath is all I'm saying..!

    Actually childs was projected to go in the 1st or 2nd if he came out early and didnt get injuried, research people.

    And whoever said we traded a early 3rd to move up in the first, it was actually a 4th and it was damn sure worth it.

    From what i see and hear, we had one of the best drafts (pending on how they turn out) which i agree. What i also hear is we still may be the worst team in the nfl which could be true. We are rebuilding stop cryin because we missed out on a few players everything cant go your way all the time. Lets just pray spielman got it right in the later rounds this year
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    I, like Skum, really liked the first three rounds and think it got a little weird from there.

    I didn't have a huge problem with Walsh like a lot of people, because the front office clearly wants to go with the two kicker approach and he had the biggest leg in the draft. He was also the top-rated kicker on many people's boards and one of only two or three "draftable" kickers on almost everyone's board.

    I was confused with the Wright pick in particular as he is pretty much just a not-nearly-as-electric version of Percy Harvin. And the Ellison pick does not make much sense to me because we might as well have grabbed another CB/S and hoped by an "accuracy by volume" approach in the secondary (the more guys you get, the better that some of them pan out).

    The Childs pick was not awful to me because I do like his size and think that if he has any chance of coming back from his awful knee injury then he will be a very solid contributor.

    I don't mind the Blanton pick as it fits into the "accuracy by volume" approach in the secondary, but I DEFINITELY would have liked to have seen us get another true CB to go along with Robinson.

    The last two picks are fliers in any draft anyway so I really do not hate them or like them. Seems that most think the LB will at least be able to contribute on special teams and be an OK backup, which is a solid contribution from a 7th-rounder.

    All in all I pretty much go like this:
    1st - #4 – Matt Kalil, OT - USC - A+: They really could not have screwed this pick up though. But getting extra picks out of it was nice.
    1st - #29 – Harrison Smith, SS - Notre Dame - A: I like using the load of picks we had to get back in and get the guy we wanted. A lock to start from day one and is a coin flip. Could turn out to be a very good player ... and, of course, could turn into a bust. But like the pick and move overall.
    3rd - #66 - Josh Robinson, CB - UCF - B: I think it is very likely we were targeting Trumaine Johnson and he went one pick in front of us. But all in all, I like Robinson's speed. With a healthy Winfield and a returning Cook, to go with the signed veterans and this kid, our CB situation should be much improved. Wish we had parted with something to jump three or four picks and secure Johnson, but a solid pick none-the-less.
    4th - #118 – Jarius Wright, WR - Arkansas - D: This pick really makes no sense to me in the end. He did not grade that highly and he will have trouble with physical corners I think. He might actually be the odd man out at receiver if Aromashodu and Jenkins earn spots and Childs shows any promise. We could have taken Nick Toon here and I would be much happier. Also could have selected higher rated WRs in Keshawn Martin, Juron Criner or Marvin Jones.
    4th - #128 – Rhett Ellison, FB/TE - USC - F: I like the player overall and think he can make in the league doing what he does, but this just seems like a non-need, definitely not an important need, for the team. I think we easily could have taken a safety or corner here to continue the secondary competition. Also could have selected a DT or LB here to actually try to fill those needs.
    4th - #134 - Greg Childs, WR - Arkansas - C+: I actually like this high-reward pick. He definitely was a big talent until his injury and then struggled to stay on the field last year. If he is fully healed and doctors think he is ready to go, then this pick could work out very nicely. Like his size and hands. If his speed is there at all, he could easily make the roster. Still had a few other receivers that I like a little better on the board though, and that keeps it from being an A or B pick for me.
    5th - #139 – Robert Blanton, CB/S - Notre Dame - C+: Probably would have preferred another true corner of some sort. But do not mind addressing safety at all here. It is the weakest position on our defense. He actually could steal some playing time if he does well in camp.
    6th - #175 – Blair Walsh, K - Georgia - C+: Could we have likely gotten him in the 7th? Probably. But I still don't hate this pick. Maybe the Vikings are reassessing their signing of Longwell, and I have no problem with that at all. At worst, this guy can kick it out of the endzone, which can help our often struggling defense.
    7th - #210 and #219 – Audie Cole, OLB/ILB - North Carolina State, Trevor Guyton, DE/DT - California - N/A: Don't really grade 7th round picks because it is such a crap shoot. These guys both have a decent shot at being on the squad come Game 1 though ... and that is a solid thing.

    All in all, we drafted 10 players and it is quite possible that 8-9 of them make the opening roster, if not all of them. I am not going to complain about that as it is clear we needed a youth movement.

    I would give the draft an overall grade of B. Would be an A, except that I think that we got a little murky there with the Wright pick and Ellison pick in a position where we definitely could have gotten some other strong contributors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    I, like Skum, really liked the first three rounds and think it got a little weird from there.

    I didn't have a huge problem with Walsh like a lot of people, because the front office clearly wants to go with the two kicker approach and he had the biggest leg in the draft. He was also the top-rated kicker on many people's boards and one of only two or three "draftable" kickers on almost everyone's board.

    I was confused with the Wright pick in particular as he is pretty much just a not-nearly-as-electric version of Percy Harvin. And the Ellison pick does not make much sense to me because we might as well have grabbed another CB/S and hoped by an "accuracy by volume" approach in the secondary (the more guys you get, the better that some of them pan out).

    The Childs pick was not awful to me because I do like his size and think that if he has any chance of coming back from his awful knee injury then he will be a very solid contributor.

    I don't mind the Blanton pick as it fits into the "accuracy by volume" approach in the secondary, but I DEFINITELY would have liked to have seen us get another true CB to go along with Robinson.

    The last two picks are fliers in any draft anyway so I really do not hate them or like them. Seems that most think the LB will at least be able to contribute on special teams and be an OK backup, which is a solid contribution from a 7th-rounder.

    All in all I pretty much go like this:
    1st - #4 – Matt Kalil, OT - USC - A+: They really could not have screwed this pick up though. But getting extra picks out of it was nice.
    1st - #29 – Harrison Smith, SS - Notre Dame - A: I like using the load of picks we had to get back in and get the guy we wanted. A lock to start from day one and is a coin flip. Could turn out to be a very good player ... and, of course, could turn into a bust. But like the pick and move overall.
    3rd - #66 - Josh Robinson, CB - UCF - B: I think it is very likely we were targeting Trumaine Johnson and he went one pick in front of us. But all in all, I like Robinson's speed. With a healthy Winfield and a returning Cook, to go with the signed veterans and this kid, our CB situation should be much improved. Wish we had parted with something to jump three or four picks and secure Johnson, but a solid pick none-the-less.
    4th - #118 – Jarius Wright, WR - Arkansas - D: This pick really makes no sense to me in the end. He did not grade that highly and he will have trouble with physical corners I think. He might actually be the odd man out at receiver if Aromashodu and Jenkins earn spots and Childs shows any promise. We could have taken Nick Toon here and I would be much happier. Also could have selected higher rated WRs in Keshawn Martin, Juron Criner or Marvin Jones.
    4th - #128 – Rhett Ellison, FB/TE - USC - F: I like the player overall and think he can make in the league doing what he does, but this just seems like a non-need, definitely not an important need, for the team. I think we easily could have taken a safety or corner here to continue the secondary competition. Also could have selected a DT or LB here to actually try to fill those needs.
    4th - #134 - Greg Childs, WR - Arkansas - C+: I actually like this high-reward pick. He definitely was a big talent until his injury and then struggled to stay on the field last year. If he is fully healed and doctors think he is ready to go, then this pick could work out very nicely. Like his size and hands. If his speed is there at all, he could easily make the roster. Still had a few other receivers that I like a little better on the board though, and that keeps it from being an A or B pick for me.
    5th - #139 – Robert Blanton, CB/S - Notre Dame - C+: Probably would have preferred another true corner of some sort. But do not mind addressing safety at all here. It is the weakest position on our defense. He actually could steal some playing time if he does well in camp.
    6th - #175 – Blair Walsh, K - Georgia - C+: Could we have likely gotten him in the 7th? Probably. But I still don't hate this pick. Maybe the Vikings are reassessing their signing of Longwell, and I have no problem with that at all. At worst, this guy can kick it out of the endzone, which can help our often struggling defense.
    7th - #210 and #219 – Audie Cole, OLB/ILB - North Carolina State, Trevor Guyton, DE/DT - California - N/A: Don't really grade 7th round picks because it is such a crap shoot. These guys both have a decent shot at being on the squad come Game 1 though ... and that is a solid thing.

    All in all, we drafted 10 players and it is quite possible that 8-9 of them make the opening roster, if not all of them. I am not going to complain about that as it is clear we needed a youth movement.

    I would give the draft an overall grade of B. Would be an A, except that I think that we got a little murky there with the Wright pick and Ellison pick in a position where we definitely could have gotten some other strong contributors.
    Great read and agree with most of it, I would have given Wright a C+. Harvin is oft injured and he is a playmaker in space. We won't be so hamstrung when he has a migrane now.

    Childs, I would gvie a B+, if he is back from injury he was a steal where we got him. He may, in a couple of years, be our #1.

    And I would give a grade to Cole, he is a thumper and a very good athlete. He very well could be our backup at Sam and Mike. He may even be able to supplant Henderson, who I do not like as a starter. I would give him a B, for the pick and where he was drafted by us.

    Good read and great analysis!!

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    Just thought I would throw out a few tidbits to chew on. I have been reading up on our draft prospects in pro footbal weekly. A fairly reliable source for the draft, here is what I have come up with.

    Kalil -Starter- should be a started for ten years and maybe a pro bowler, gotta like it. Easy pick though.

    Smith - Starter- End of round one begininning of round two (about where got him) good choice. A starter at the worst position on the team. Really like the pick, makes our back end so much better already.

    Robinson - Nickel DB- Round 3-4- (about where he sould have gone)Good pick because of need. May have had a better fit with other players but with the corners, left good pick and will definitely improve our back end when Rogers, Stafford and Cutler come calling. Good pick

    Wright- Sl WR - 3-4 - (about where he should have gone)Great pick IMO, just because we know Harvin will miss games. We have so few play makers on our O and when Harvin is gone we are really hurting, we won't miss him that much with Wright. We can also try him at kick returns. Great Pick

    Childs- WR - 3-4 rounds- (about where he should have gone) You already know how I feel about Childs, if he is healthy he will be a steal. Great pick

    Ellison - H- Back - 5-6 rounds- A reach for this one but we got the #3 Hback in the draft so he is a quality player. Not so good pick

    Blanton - CB - 4-5 rounds - I think we will move him to safety but he can play multiple positions. He has the ability but he will need time. Good value pick

    Cole - ILB - 4-5 rounds - He is a beast and athletic. Can get lost in coverage but has decent skills. He is a thumper and may be our back up Sam and Mike. Great pick for the 7th round IMO

    Guyton - DE- 3-4 rounds - I don't know why he fell he is the # 2 5 tech on the board. just to give you a few comments on him

    Strengths-Good innate strength, plays with leverage. Plays with power, great tackler, can play anywhere on the line.

    Thickly built, power rusher with raw strength to control the line of scrimmage and anchor VS the run. Is versatile, canplay inside or outside in any scheme.
    Weaknesses- Average hand use, loses the ball, minimal closing burst outside the box

    Pro football weekly.

    I think he is going to make alot of people happy with his play.

    So overall, Speilman really only reached with Ellison and he is a good fottball player and can play multiple positions like TE and FB. Allthese guys are very versatile which will only help with schemes and offenses and defenses.

    Waht do ya think ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    Cole - ILB - 4-5 rounds - He is a beast and athletic. Can get lost in coverage but has decent skills. He is a thumper and may be our back up Sam and Mike. Great pick for the 7th round IMO
    This guy is also a Golden Gloves champion... thought I'd add that tid bit. I think he will be solid in a couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    This guy is also a Golden Gloves champion... thought I'd add that tid bit. I think he will be solid in a couple years.
    Cole and Harrison picks had a lot to do with the feedback from the coaching staff and their work at the senior bowl

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    Guyton is the guy I am anxious to see, my buddy and I were watching the pick and he said we would really like the pick. The more research I do on this guy the more I like him. He can help with our run D and he can play every position in our scheme, that's value in the 7th round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    Guyton is the guy I am anxious to see, my buddy and I were watching the pick and he said we would really like the pick. The more research I do on this guy the more I like him. He can help with our run D and he can play every position in our scheme, that's value in the 7th round.
    Agree. As usual I absolutely am disappointed in what this staff does to fix the NT position when the truth of the matter is, it appears they are moving away from that type of DL play.

    I think this kid could be the missing piece in a year or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    Just thought I would throw out a few tidbits to chew on. I have been reading up on our draft prospects in pro footbal weekly. A fairly reliable source for the draft, here is what I have come up with.

    Kalil -Starter- should be a started for ten years and maybe a pro bowler, gotta like it. Easy pick though.

    Smith - Starter- End of round one begininning of round two (about where got him) good choice. A starter at the worst position on the team. Really like the pick, makes our back end so much better already.

    Robinson - Nickel DB- Round 3-4- (about where he sould have gone)Good pick because of need. May have had a better fit with other players but with the corners, left good pick and will definitely improve our back end when Rogers, Stafford and Cutler come calling. Good pick

    Wright- Sl WR - 3-4 - (about where he should have gone)Great pick IMO, just because we know Harvin will miss games. We have so few play makers on our O and when Harvin is gone we are really hurting, we won't miss him that much with Wright. We can also try him at kick returns. Great Pick

    Childs- WR - 3-4 rounds- (about where he should have gone) You already know how I feel about Childs, if he is healthy he will be a steal. Great pick

    Ellison - H- Back - 5-6 rounds- A reach for this one but we got the #3 Hback in the draft so he is a quality player. Not so good pick

    Blanton - CB - 4-5 rounds - I think we will move him to safety but he can play multiple positions. He has the ability but he will need time. Good value pick

    Cole - ILB - 4-5 rounds - He is a beast and athletic. Can get lost in coverage but has decent skills. He is a thumper and may be our back up Sam and Mike. Great pick for the 7th round IMO

    Guyton - DE- 3-4 rounds - I don't know why he fell he is the # 2 5 tech on the board. just to give you a few comments on him

    Strengths-Good innate strength, plays with leverage. Plays with power, great tackler, can play anywhere on the line.

    Thickly built, power rusher with raw strength to control the line of scrimmage and anchor VS the run. Is versatile, canplay inside or outside in any scheme.
    Weaknesses- Average hand use, loses the ball, minimal closing burst outside the box

    Pro football weekly.

    I think he is going to make alot of people happy with his play.

    So overall, Speilman really only reached with Ellison and he is a good fottball player and can play multiple positions like TE and FB. Allthese guys are very versatile which will only help with schemes and offenses and defenses.

    Waht do ya think ?
    Great recap. Couple of additional thoughts based on what came out of last weeks workouts....

    a. Could have 2 Starters on opening day at S out of this draft.
    b. Could have a new returner on opening day that can also help as a rotational guy.
    c. Could have a new Starting FB/HB/TE. By all accounts this kid can block like a monster and catches anything that got near him.
    d. Kicker might be the opening day starter.....(.....snicker....Will be......)
    e. We found a ILB that is a diamond in the rough that gives us a very nice developmental guy behind Jasper who will produce on ST's.
    f. We added two WR's that will in one instance give Percy some reps off and can fill in for him if he goes down and a possible "Rice" like possesion guy that also catches anything close.

    How can anyone look at that draft class and say it was a bad one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPonderFan View Post
    The only thing I learned while reading this thread was that there are ALOT of morons on here!
    We try not to use that type of word on here. A better word is yutz and yes, we have a couple but in the end, what kindof site would it be if everyone agreed with everyone?

    Hang around. Its fun to see how those cats opinions will change and how reluctant they will be to acknowledge it my friend.
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