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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Since when is having a opinion that is hard for people to agree with "Sticking a Foot In Ones Mouth"?

    As to his speed. Again, I've given 40 times. That in no way, nor have I every said he plays as fast as AD. Two different animals. My point is that he isn't that much slower. Again, been pretty consistent with that thought.

    As to the teams you've listed, you are looking at a few of them and looking at backs that really haven't had a good year last year and a few haven't had a good year in 2 or 3 years.

    In the end, were I seemed to "Put My Fut In My Mouth" the most on here is when I start talking about/comparing younger players to older players who have made a name for themselves. In my mind alot of them aren't living up to that name anymore.

    Case in point, of late I have been on Whinny and K-dubb. Alot of people still seem to think they are the greatest when in fact neither has really been playing to that level.

    You take a month to respond and then talk about all the people who think that Whinny and K-dubb are "the greatest."

    Who? Seriously ... Who are the "alot of people?"

    And I still stand by the teams I listed. Toby is not true starter material in this league. He MAYBE could be a 1,000 yard back. He is a very solid No. 2 and I think a ton of teams would welcome him in that role. But he would not have an expanded presence in most other offenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    You take a month to respond and then talk about all the people who think that Whinny and K-dubb are "the greatest."

    Who? Seriously ... Who are the "alot of people?"

    And I still stand by the teams I listed. Toby is not true starter material in this league. He MAYBE could be a 1,000 yard back. He is a very solid No. 2 and I think a ton of teams would welcome him in that role. But he would not have an expanded presence in most other offenses.
    Hey, I've been busy. Work is nuts. Causes me to drop off the net for longer periods when I head into the closet.

    Again, back to Toby, it is going to be fun to pull this thread back up and for 2 reasons...

    1. To see how a 3rd year back is doing in an expanded role. Anyone who thinks AD is going to come back and be 100% this year is crazy, so Toby's role will expand.

    2. to see how a few of these other backs are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Hey, I've been busy. Work is nuts. Causes me to drop off the net for longer periods when I head into the closet.

    Again, back to Toby, it is going to be fun to pull this thread back up and for 2 reasons...

    1. To see how a 3rd year back is doing in an expanded role. Anyone who thinks AD is going to come back and be 100% this year is crazy, so Toby's role will expand.

    2. to see how a few of these other backs are doing.
    I agree that AP is not going to be the same this year. Next year, I expect him to be back to form. He will however be playing and taking most of the snaps. That, IMO, is what will make Toby less effective. He seems to be at his best when he starts and handle most of the snaps, getting stronger as the game progresses. I guess that is the same with most RB's.
    He does not seem to be as effective coming in for a snap here and a snap there. It may just be my conception of what is happening, but that is what I see. I thought he did a great job last year when called upon to be the main back for us. I just don't think he is as good as a backup RB.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshallvike View Post
    I agree that AP is not going to be the same this year. Next year, I expect him to be back to form. He will however be playing and taking most of the snaps. That, IMO, is what will make Toby less effective. He seems to be at his best when he starts and handle most of the snaps, getting stronger as the game progresses. I guess that is the same with most RB's.
    He does not seem to be as effective coming in for a snap here and a snap there. It may just be my conception of what is happening, but that is what I see. I thought he did a great job last year when called upon to be the main back for us. I just don't think he is as good as a backup RB.
    Good points my friend, but I tend to think that Toby, and not AD, will take most of the snaps with AD getting only a few a game, especially early on in the season.

    That should allow Toby to get into it like you describe. Again, its going to be a fun year to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Good points my friend, but I tend to think that Toby, and not AD, will take most of the snaps with AD getting only a few a game, especially early on in the season.

    That should allow Toby to get into it like you describe. Again, its going to be a fun year to watch.
    You may be right. Judging by the coach speak we have been hearing this offseason, it would lead one to believe that is what they are planning. I take that with a grain of salt though.
    If Toby is the feature back early, I could see that helping Ponder. Teams will not be keying on our RB, but without AP, it may force Musgrave to open up the passing game a little more, helping CP develop his game. It certainly would allow us to see how his progression has come along with a full offseason under his belt. And if he starts out 0-3, it would be all the proof many need to declare him a sure fire bust and it is time to; bring in a veteran QB, draft a QB of the future, give Webb the starting nod, pick up any has been QB that was cut by any other team in the league, etc. Sorry, got sidetracked there. It would be nice to see us hold up well without AP, knowing we will eventually be getting him back. It would also be nice to see what ol Musgrave has in his playbook when he cannot fall back on Adrian. Maybe his offense has progressed this offseason also.
    I still think Adrian will be the man from game 1 this (regular) season.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshallvike View Post
    You may be right. Judging by the coach speak we have been hearing this offseason, it would lead one to believe that is what they are planning. I take that with a grain of salt though.
    If Toby is the feature back early, I could see that helping Ponder. Teams will not be keying on our RB, but without AP, it may force Musgrave to open up the passing game a little more, helping CP develop his game. It certainly would allow us to see how his progression has come along with a full offseason under his belt. And if he starts out 0-3, it would be all the proof many need to declare him a sure fire bust and it is time to; bring in a veteran QB, draft a QB of the future, give Webb the starting nod, pick up any has been QB that was cut by any other team in the league, etc. Sorry, got sidetracked there. It would be nice to see us hold up well without AP, knowing we will eventually be getting him back. It would also be nice to see what ol Musgrave has in his playbook when he cannot fall back on Adrian. Maybe his offense has progressed this offseason also.
    I still think Adrian will be the man from game 1 this (regular) season.
    You know me, getting side tracked keeps a thread going........Never apologize for doing it my friend......

    I'm thinking right along with you, with one exception, going 0-3 isn't a knock on Ponder which should validate getting rid of him (labeling him a bust).

    He is just one piece (albeit important) to the puzzle.

    I think Toby will help Ponder in a way AD can't and that is the "Dink/Dunk" portion the RB plays in the scheme. Toby seems to be very adept at chipping and then getting out to the opening. Posted a clip of some of those plays on here in the Toby thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    You know me, getting side tracked keeps a thread going........Never apologize for doing it my friend......

    I'm thinking right along with you, with one exception, going 0-3 isn't a knock on Ponder which should validate getting rid of him (labeling him a bust).

    He is just one piece (albeit important) to the puzzle.

    I think Toby will help Ponder in a way AD can't and that is the "Dink/Dunk" portion the RB plays in the scheme. Toby seems to be very adept at chipping and then getting out to the opening. Posted a clip of some of those plays on here in the Toby thread.

    I do not think so either. That was just my dig at those who are quick to give up on him, (as is already happening). Along with the "bring in another QB" thoughts that would certainly arise if he went 0-3 .
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshallvike View Post
    I do not think so either. That was just my dig at those who are quick to give up on him, (as is already happening). Along with the "bring in another QB" thoughts that would certainly arise if he went 0-3 .
    LOL, gotcha. You know me, sometimes I drop the ball on things like that.
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    TOby and AP are pretty much the same player aside from speed and a little bit of wiggle... He reminds me of Peyton Hillis... But I think he's the worst kind of back to back up AP... There's no change of pace... just slower pace

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedpurple View Post
    TOby and AP are pretty much the same player aside from speed and a little bit of wiggle... He reminds me of Peyton Hillis... But I think he's the worst kind of back to back up AP... There's no change of pace... just slower pace
    Hmmm... I have had similar thoughts about this matter, but this is for sure: Those two battering rams will wear down a defense.

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