My mock draft

**MaxVike** · 04-19-2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by MorrisCaliborne

Keep in mind that the Vikings always reaches like Chris Cook, Christian Ponder, Tarvaris Jackson, etc etc

I will agree with you re: TJoke, however, Chris Cook...at the time, no, not a "reach." Re: Ponder? A "reach," we shall see...way too early to determine if he was a reach. Vikes' needed a QB, liked him, took him. If (yes, IF), he is our guy, no reach...if not, I still don't buy the "reach" argument. Better termed a bad decision in my opinion. "Always," is also an overstatement.

I like Claiborne, but, let's be real people...the Vikes have soooooo many needs they just need to make the right decisions. After all..."reaching" is a term largely defined by us amateurs.

**MorrisCaliborne** · 04-19-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by MaxVike

I will agree with you re: TJoke, however, Chris Cook...at the time, no, not a "reach." Re: Ponder? A "reach," we shall see...way too early to determine if he was a reach. Vikes' needed a QB, liked him, took him. If (yes, IF), he is our guy, no reach...if not, I still don't buy the "reach" argument. Better termed a bad decision in my opinion. "Always," is also an overstatement.

I like Claiborne, but, let's be real people...the Vikes have soooooo many needs they just need to make the right decisions. After all..."reaching" is a term largely defined by us amateurs.

Okay, how about almost always?

**12purplepride28** · 04-19-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by MaxVike

I will agree with you re: TJoke, however, Chris Cook...at the time, no, not a "reach." Re: Ponder? A "reach," we shall see...way too early to determine if he was a reach. Vikes' needed a QB, liked him, took him. If (yes, IF), he is our guy, no reach...if not, I still don't buy the "reach" argument.

The term "reach" is given to a pick that is picked earlier than he was projected to be picked. For example, if the Vikings picked Tom Brady in the 3rd round, he would have been a reach. His HOF career is irrelevant because we could have gotten him in the 6th or 7th. Doesn't mean it was a bad pick, obviously, but it was still a reach.

Christian Ponder will always be a reach because we took him way before he was projected to go. I'm a huge Ponder fan, but he is still a reach. I'm happy with the pick and I think he will be great for us (assuming we can keep him on his feet, fingers crossed for Kalil).

**MaxVike** · 04-20-2012, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by 12purplepride28

The term "reach" is given to a pick that is picked earlier than he was projected to be picked. For example, if the Vikings picked Tom Brady in the 3rd round, he would have been a reach. His HOF career is irrelevant because we could have gotten him in the 6th or 7th. Doesn't mean it was a bad pick, obviously, but it was still a reach.

Christian Ponder will always be a reach because we took him way before he was projected to go. I'm a huge Ponder fan, but he is still a reach. I'm happy with the pick and I think he will be great for us (assuming we can keep him on his feet, fingers crossed for Kalil).

I am acutely aware of what a "reach" is, thank you very much. I also believe it is an overused term, and, largely used by people that look at other people's rankings and compare when a player is taken to that. When Bill Polian, or, someone who has, or has had, their job on the line when drafting players, refers to someone as a "reach"...I will listen.

**Marrdro** · 04-21-2012, 02:58 PM

Lets look at this logically........

DB's signed........
Zackary Bowman/Chris Carr

DB's on the roster

Bowman, Zack	DB	ACT	6'1"	196	11/18/1984	4	Nebraska
21	Allen, Asher	DB	ACT	5'9"	194	1/22/1988	3	Georgia
41	Raymond, Mistral	DB	ACT	6'1"	194	9/7/1987	0	South Florida
33	Sanford, Jamarca	DB	ACT	5'10"	200	8/27/1985	3	Mississippi
34	Sendejo, Andrew	DB	ACT	6'1"	225	9/9/1987	1	Rice
35	Sherels, Marcus	DB	ACT	5'10"	175	9/30/1987	1	Minnesota
	Taylor, Nick	DB	ACT	5'10"	165	5/27/1988	0	Florida International
	Jones, Reggie	DB	ACT	6'0"	193	3/15/1986	2	Portland State
26	Winfield, Antoine	DB	ACT	5'9"	180	6/24/1977	13	Ohio State
36	Burton, Brandon	DB	ACT	5'11"	190	7/31/1989	0	Utah
31	Cook, Chris	DB	ACT	6'2"	212	2/15/1987	2	Virginia
37	Frampton, Eric	DB	ACT	5'11"	205

In short, they are not going to use their first pick on a CB especially if you look at who they've signed (0) to play LT and how many (0) they have on the roster that can start at LT.

**MorrisCaliborne** · 04-21-2012, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Marrdro

Lets look at this logically........

DB's signed........
Zackary Bowman/Chris Carr

DB's on the roster

Bowman, Zack	DB	ACT	6'1"	196	11/18/1984	4	Nebraska
21	Allen, Asher	DB	ACT	5'9"	194	1/22/1988	3	Georgia
41	Raymond, Mistral	DB	ACT	6'1"	194	9/7/1987	0	South Florida
33	Sanford, Jamarca	DB	ACT	5'10"	200	8/27/1985	3	Mississippi
34	Sendejo, Andrew	DB	ACT	6'1"	225	9/9/1987	1	Rice
35	Sherels, Marcus	DB	ACT	5'10"	175	9/30/1987	1	Minnesota
	Taylor, Nick	DB	ACT	5'10"	165	5/27/1988	0	Florida International
	Jones, Reggie	DB	ACT	6'0"	193	3/15/1986	2	Portland State
26	Winfield, Antoine	DB	ACT	5'9"	180	6/24/1977	13	Ohio State
36	Burton, Brandon	DB	ACT	5'11"	190	7/31/1989	0	Utah
31	Cook, Chris	DB	ACT	6'2"	212	2/15/1987	2	Virginia
37	Frampton, Eric	DB	ACT	5'11"	205

In short, they are not going to use their first pick on a CB especially if you look at who they've signed (0) to play LT and how many (0) they have on the roster that can start at LT.

Are you serious dude? The players they signed are scrubs, the Vikings are going to draft Morris, just watch!

**Marrdro** · 04-22-2012, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by MorrisCaliborne

Are you serious dude? The players they signed are scrubs, the Vikings are going to draft Morris, just watch!

Scrubs? Anyone who makes it to the next level are far from scurbs. Aside from that, I'll play that game and say, yes, none of them are "Shutdown CB's".

Then the next part of the game is for you to explain to me why we (a team that runs a C2) would need a shutdown CB?

Any of the following answers would suffice:

a. We hired a D-coord that doesn't run the C2. (Shit, that didn't happen, the new guy runs a C2)
b. Our HC doesn't like the C2. (Shit, forgot, Leslie loves the C2).
c. Our Last D-coord was successfully trying to run a press man version of the C2. (Shit, he got demoted again and the only CB who tried to run it got sent packing - signed by the Deadskins).

And then, lets not forget about the LT 0 aspect of the game my friend.

On a side note, I love this time of year when all kinds of fans show up and make screen names of their favorite college player (a few have even been related) and try to convince me why the Vikes will sign the guy.

In the end, you might be right, but until it happens, I'm going to go on logic and say that the only reason the Vikes have shown any interest in MC is because they are trying to get the Jags to move up to get him.

That, Dude, is a more logical scenario.

**MorrisCaliborne** · 04-22-2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Marrdro

Scrubs? Anyone who makes it to the next level are far from scurbs. Aside from that, I'll play that game and say, yes, none of them are "Shutdown CB's".

Then the next part of the game is for you to explain to me why we (a team that runs a C2) would need a shutdown CB?

Any of the following answers would suffice:

a. We hired a D-coord that doesn't run the C2. (Shit, that didn't happen, the new guy runs a C2)
b. Our HC doesn't like the C2. (Shit, forgot, Leslie loves the C2).
c. Our Last D-coord was successfully trying to run a press man version of the C2. (Shit, he got demoted again and the only CB who tried to run it got sent packing - signed by the Deadskins).

And then, lets not forget about the LT 0 aspect of the game my friend.

On a side note, I love this time of year when all kinds of fans show up and make screen names of their favorite college player (a few have even been related) and try to convince me why the Vikes will sign the guy.

In the end, you might be right, but until it happens, I'm going to go on logic and say that the only reason the Vikes have shown any interest in MC is because they are trying to get the Jags to move up to get him.

That, Dude, is a more logical scenario.

The Jaguars is not going to trade up to get him but I would bow down to you if you are right on draft day

**Marrdro** · 04-22-2012, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by MorrisCaliborne

The Jaguars is not going to trade up to get him but I would bow down to you if you are right on draft day

Your new to the site my friend. Hang around, you will find out two things.....

I'am nothing but a yutz with a keyboard and access to the internet that is wrong alot. I just like to talk football.

On a side note, pretty hard to be right when your a yutz who posts a 7 round mock.

Don't get me wrong though. I would jump up and down if they took you man. I think he is awesome, just like I think Blackmon and Kalil are awesome.

If the Vikes land one of them I will be happy and will be ready to talk all day about them. Again, its all about the discussion for me, not who is right and wrong.

**purplepat** · 04-22-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by MorrisCaliborne

Round 1:

Cornerback Morris Caliborne Lousiana State

For someone who is so in love with this guy, I'd think you could spell his name correctly in the draft...even if you screwed it up initially when selecting your handle. Nevertheless, nice pick.

Round 2:

Wide Receiver Ryan Broyles Oklahoma Sooners

HUGE reach! Totally uncalled for at #35, still a reach at #66. Probably still there in the 4th. Productive in college, but will probably be much less so in the pros.

Round 3:

Free safety Aaron Henry Wisconsin

Again a huge reach. Projected as a 4th to 5th rounder. Way too early.

Round 4:

Defensive tackle Mike Martin Michigan

Would be nice if he lasts until the top of the 4th, but his stock is rising...probably late 2nd to 3rd rounder now.

Offensive guard Ryan Miller Colorado

Outside Linebacker Demario Davis Arkansas

First, it's Arkansas State. 2nd, the 45th rated OLB according to PFW's draft rankings. I don't think so....

Round 5:

Cornerback Brandon Boykin Georgia

Way late on this guy. Projected to late 2nd/early 3rd.

Round 6:

Defensive tackle Tydreke Powell North Carolina

A second DT? And only the 35th best one according to PFW? Still, I could see this pick if we didn't take another DT somewhere in the draft.

Round 7:

Strong Safety Eddie Pleasant Oregon

Center Scott Wedige Northern Illinois

Please tell me why we need to draft a center

See my comments in purple above