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    They is some harm done. When you waste a roster spot on a prospect, you end up cutting or not getting to see another prospect that it is more likely that Diamond in the rough. Football might as well be rocket science( my high school WR coach was a rocket scientist with NASA). It is not easy to memorize some of these playbooks or learn the science behind the game.. I gauge my intelligence to be higher than most ( except when posting on the internet) and I have seen an NFL playbook. Trust me it's no cake walk.

    In the NFL cover Three isn't just cover three. You're a corner and the team your playing floods your Deep thrid zone with two Wrs running a flag and a fly. Your responsibility changes as does your reads. Its very fluid and not just get as deep as the deepest man. It takes a certain brain and brawn combination. Its similar to a doctor that can perform open heart surgery in the dark but can't google last nights baseball scores.
    I fail to see how that matters in this. If they don't pick up the playbook then that will show in practice and they will be cut. We aren't using a spot from the 53 man roster on them. We can have over 100 players right now and they will most likely be cut anyways. But if they aren't cut it's because they've shown they deserve to be on the roster (or in most of our player's cases, no one else was any better). These players are almost all replaceable, and if we can get a guy with a freakish vert and 40 time, who can get it together in the catching department, that can pay off huge for us. I honestly see absolutely no downside to this. If we were putting random people on our 53 man roster then I could see complaints, but before TC even started? Get real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12purplepride28 View Post
    I fail to see how that matters in this. If they don't pick up the playbook then that will show in practice and they will be cut. We aren't using a spot from the 53 man roster on them. We can have over 100 players right now and they will most likely be cut anyways. But if they aren't cut it's because they've shown they deserve to be on the roster (or in most of our player's cases, no one else was any better). These players are almost all replaceable, and if we can get a guy with a freakish vert and 40 time, who can get it together in the catching department, that can pay off huge for us. I honestly see absolutely no downside to this. If we were putting random people on our 53 man roster then I could see complaints, but before TC even started? Get real.
    Yeah ... I don't see what people could possibly be upset about here.

    He was not drafted. He was simply an invitee. The guy simply wants to continue pursuing basketball. There have been plenty of basketball to football converts that have made it in the NFL. Inviting him to camp does not harm anything. Can always just cut him. If he ends up being worth a damn ... no harm.

    The Giants did this exact same thing just 5 years ago when they signed the kid from George Mason to a UDFA after the draft. He ended up pursuing basketball as well. Antonio Gates was a similar case. He ended up one of the best tight ends in the game. In both cases, there was no harm in giving them a shot.
    I mean, we already know that Arceneaux can't play in the NFL but we are letting him come back around. There would be no problem with this Jones kid coming in and giving it a shot. What is the worst that happens? We cut him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Yeah ... I don't see what people could possibly be upset about here.

    He was not drafted. He was simply an invitee. The guy simply wants to continue pursuing basketball. There have been plenty of basketball to football converts that have made it in the NFL. Inviting him to camp does not harm anything. Can always just cut him. If he ends up being worth a damn ... no harm.

    The Giants did this exact same thing just 5 years ago when they signed the kid from George Mason to a UDFA after the draft. He ended up pursuing basketball as well. Antonio Gates was a similar case. He ended up one of the best tight ends in the game. In both cases, there was no harm in giving them a shot.
    I mean, we already know that Arceneaux can't play in the NFL but we are letting him come back around. There would be no problem with this Jones kid coming in and giving it a shot. What is the worst that happens? We cut him?
    I'll spell it out:

    Question 1: Name all the basket ball players that never played college ball that make it to the pro bowl.
    Question 2. Name all of the college FOOTBALL players that weren't drafted but still made a Pro Bowl.

    If the number in question 2 is larger than that in question 1, a 3-13 team should focus on building a team from players similar to question 2. Every spot is valuable. I could understand 1 signing but the guy has gone out an signed 3 or more basketball players with no football history. Its a waste of a spot. The 101st player could be a player with a college background and could be our break out star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I'll spell it out:

    Question 1: Name all the basket ball players that never played college ball that make it to the pro bowl.
    Question 2. Name all of the college FOOTBALL players that weren't drafted but still made a Pro Bowl.

    If the number in question 2 is larger than that in question 1, a 3-13 team should focus on building a team from players similar to question 2. Every spot is valuable. I could understand 1 signing but the guy has gone out an signed 3 or more basketball players with no football history. Its a waste of a spot. The 101st player could be a player with a college background and could be our break out star.
    Well, while you're correct... Antonio Gates is possibly the best TE to ever play the position (when healthy)... and Jimmy Graham was a basketball player who played one year of college football. He's not too shabby either.

    But yeah, I agree with your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I'll spell it out:

    Question 1: Name all the basket ball players that never played college ball that make it to the pro bowl.
    Question 2. Name all of the college FOOTBALL players that weren't drafted but still made a Pro Bowl.

    If the number in question 2 is larger than that in question 1, a 3-13 team should focus on building a team from players similar to question 2. Every spot is valuable. I could understand 1 signing but the guy has gone out an signed 3 or more basketball players with no football history. Its a waste of a spot. The 101st player could be a player with a college background and could be our break out star.
    I think your logic is a bit flawed. That's like saying how many guys that hunt bear ever make it as pro bowl NFL players vs. how many guys that play video games turn out to be pro bowlers.

    I think you have to take the athlete into consideration instead of just qualifying how important it is to have played at the college level before going pro. The NFL is as much about the physical attributes of a player as it is the mental, and one is much easier to overcome than the other. Most of the undrafted guys are undrafted because they are lacking in physical attributes...or if they are gifted, they are just shitheads that nobody wants. NFL teams take a flyer all the time based on somebody's combine performance over their playing production, I don't see this as much different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    They is some harm done. When you waste a roster spot on a prospect, you end up cutting or not getting to see another prospect that it is more likely that Diamond in the rough. Football might as well be rocket science( my high school WR coach was a rocket scientist with NASA). It is not easy to memorize some of these playbooks or learn the science behind the game.. I gauge my intelligence to be higher than most ( except when posting on the internet) and I have seen an NFL playbook. Trust me it's no cake walk
    In the NFL cover Three isn't just cover three. You're a corner and the team your playing floods your Deep thrid zone with two Wrs running a flag and a fly. Your responsibility changes as does your reads. Its very fluid and not just get as deep as the deepest man. It takes a certain brain and brawn combination. Its similar to a doctor that can perform open heart surgery in the dark but can't google last nights baseball scores.
    Are you familiar with Pacman Jones?? Seem like a smart guy to you?If you possess freakish athletic ability there's a chance you can be trained to play football.It helps if your smart but it's not a requirement.Bring in all the potential talent you can round up and take a look at them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iowa View Post
    Are you familiar with Pacman Jones?? Seem like a smart guy to you?If you possess freakish athletic ability there's a chance you can be trained to play football.It helps if your smart but it's not a requirement.Bring in all the potential talent you can round up and take a look at them.
    Jones may be a criminal but make no mistake, his football IQ is very high. Intelligence is a subjective term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I think your logic is a bit flawed. That's like saying how many guys that hunt bear ever make it as pro bowl NFL players vs. how many guys that play video games turn out to be pro bowlers.

    I think you have to take the athlete into consideration instead of just qualifying how important it is to have played at the college level before going pro. The NFL is as much about the physical attributes of a player as it is the mental, and one is much easier to overcome than the other. Most of the undrafted guys are undrafted because they are lacking in physical attributes...or if they are gifted, they are just shitheads that nobody wants. NFL teams take a flyer all the time based on somebody's combine performance over their playing production, I don't see this as much different.
    If any athlete can be trained why isn't Brock Lesner playing NT for us? As a bad team, you can't invest time teach players things they should already know. In high school ran 15 routes. (Fly, hitches, comebacks, digs etc) It wasn't until I got to college that I learned how to run routes, why you dip your hips, why you don't mistep, how to turn quickly at 45s. I learned more in 3 months than I did in 4 years. These things cannot be taught in the time they need to know it. THere is a reason so fer ( 2-4 maybe) have done it and performed well.

    Most of the guys that aren't drafted... simply cannot compete physically with these guys in the NFL. Plenty of guys can run a 4.44 most can't do it stop on a dime and leap 38 inches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    If any athlete can be trained why isn't Brock Lesner playing NT for us? As a bad team, you can't invest time teach players things they should already know. In high school ran 15 routes. (Fly, hitches, comebacks, digs etc) It wasn't until I got to college that I learned how to run routes, why you dip your hips, why you don't mistep, how to turn quickly at 45s. I learned more in 3 months than I did in 4 years. These things cannot be taught in the time they need to know it. THere is a reason so fer ( 2-4 maybe) have done it and performed well.

    Most of the guys that aren't drafted... simply cannot compete physically with these guys in the NFL. Plenty of guys can run a 4.44 most can't do it stop on a dime and leap 38 inches.
    If I recall correctly Brock Lesnar went to training camp with the Vikes several years ago, damn near made the team as a DT, last cut of camp I believe.Vikes wanted him to go play in NFL Europe to get some playing time but he didn't want to commit to it.Oh, and PacMan is an Idiot, you'll never convince me otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iowa View Post
    If I recall correctly Brock Lesnar went to training camp with the Vikes several years ago, damn near made the team as a DT, last cut of camp I believe.Vikes wanted him to go play in NFL Europe to get some playing time but he didn't want to commit to it.Oh, and PacMan is an Idiot, you'll never convince me otherwise.
    Do you think you know more about football than he does? If your answer is no...becareful because you are now admitting to knowing less than an idiot. See what happens when you paint people with a broad stoke of your brush. I have never met the man. I just have to go off of the sensationalized reports of his actions. He appears to be a social misfit that attracts the company of the dregs of society. His academic intelligence may not warrant Mensa to contacting him but he is an intelligent football player.

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