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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Everyone keeps screaming build thru the draft but fails to realize your team turns over every 5 years. They point to a team like the Packer but ignore a team like the Ravens. The key is balance, FA and the draft.
    It is a combination of both. I think you build through the draft for a couple years, then whatever holes you have left you address in FA. It doesn't work to build your team through FA then fill holes with the draft, mainly because there are no guarantees with the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdon00 View Post
    It is a combination of both. I think you build through the draft for a couple years, then whatever holes you have left you address in FA. It doesn't work to build your team through FA then fill holes with the draft, mainly because there are no guarantees with the draft.
    Are you saying then, you were against the JA trade?

    It is a combination of both, but it is not simply to build your team through the draft & plug holes through FA, nor is it build your team through FA & plug holes through the draft.

    It depends on the situation your team is in financially, the desperation of the need (is it a starter or back up) and as a contender.

    If you think you build through the draft for a couple years, then fill whatever holes you have left via FA, how do you accomplish that when FA happens before the draft? You may have an idea who you want to draft, but that is no guarantee you'll get that player or even fill that position. The latter tends to leave teams reaching for players that would have otherwise been drafted later only because there was a need to fill that position.

    That methodology also leaves very few FA's left to chose from following the draft. You will find some decent backups there, but few if any legitimate starters that will shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikesFan787 View Post
    That's because everyone on their team is better than the FA at that position.

    They were also contenders last year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    The Packers haven't signed a FA since something like 2007. They had a team that needed to get younger and they did it through the draft. That is a big reason why the Vikings brought in Childress the same year McCarthy was hired and one was fired while the other still has his job. Although I am pretty confused about how 3-13 was good enough for Spielman to get promoted.

    I have no problem with the team not signing FA players in the initial FA frenzy and I like the philosophy of building the team through the draft. Now, that being said i don't know if we have the FO to do it right but then again if they aren't I also don't think they would do it right with FA signings either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    The Packers haven't signed a FA since something like 2007. They had a team that needed to get younger and they did it through the draft. That is a big reason why the Vikings brought in Childress the same year McCarthy was hired and one was fired while the other still has his job. Although I am pretty confused about how 3-13 was good enough for Spielman to get promoted.

    I have no problem with the team not signing FA players in the initial FA frenzy and I like the philosophy of building the team through the draft. Now, that being said i don't know if we have the FO to do it right but then again if they aren't I also don't think they would do it right with FA signings either.
    Everyone forgets that we were a stone throw away from a Superbowl by use of FA. Yes we can point to the Packers who have had a great amount of Luck in their drafts and fielded a great team. However, what about the like of the Ravens. Who went out and signed Boldin because they felt they needs a legit #1 WR? Signed Mac because they needed a LT, Signed countless Cbs because they need help there to assist their Superstars. That team is always in contention.

    The truth of the matter is that the league has about 3 team with amazing FOs that can build a team via the draft only. The rest of the league cannot. We can't even get a 3rd round pick to be on our team after 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdon00 View Post
    He will probably be the starter, why shouldn't he get starter money?
    We all love Rudolph, he made some nice catches and showed soft hands, but he only caught 26 balls playing in all 16 games and starting for 8 of them. In Carlson's rookie season he caught 55 balls, and started 9 games. Carlson also had slightly better numbers at Notre Dame.
    At the very least it will be a competition for playing time between the two.
    Let's be careful on how we use the term "started". The stats may say Rudolph started 8 games & played in 16 (suited up to be specific), but we all know, well most of us know, in actuality he didn't see much playing time at all. Shank & Jimmy K. played the bulk of it.

    From the games I watched (I missed the games from December 10 forward) almost every time the ball was thrown to him, he caught it. I think I recall him missing 1 throw. IMO, he should see a lot more playing time & probably will since both Jimmy K. & Shiancoe are gone. Lets just hope they can block. With our OL, we're going to need it & AD still can't block worth a shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    The Packers haven't signed a FA since something like 2007.
    2008 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    RB Justin Beaver Signed (Free Agent)
    P Derrick Frost Signed (Washington Redskins)
    OL Joe Toledo Signed Miami Dolphins
    LB Brandon Chillar Signed (St. Louis Rams)
    CB Scorpio Babers Signed (Free Agent)
    ST Thomas Gafford Signed (Seattle Seahawks)

    2009 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    QB Chris Pizzotti Signed (Free Agent
    RB Ahman Green Signed (Houston Texans)
    RB Tyrell Sutton Signed (Free Agent)
    WR Khalil Jones Signed (Free Agent)
    TE Tom Crabtree Signed (Free Agent)
    TE Devin Frischknecht Signed (Washington Redskins)
    LB Robert Francois Signed (Free Agent)
    LB Stryker Sulak Signed (Oakland Raiders)
    CB Josh Bell Signed (Denver Broncos)
    CB D.J. Clark Signed (Free Agent)
    FS Matt Giordano Signed (Indianapolis Colts)

    2010 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    QB Graham Harrell Signed Free Agent
    RB James X. Johnson Signed Free Agent
    RB Dimitri Nance Signed Atlanta Falcons
    WR Chastin West Signed Free Agent
    TE Spencer Havner Signed Detroit Lions
    TE Evan Moore Signed Cleveland Browns
    OT Chris Campbell Signed Free Agent
    OG Evan Dietrich-Smith Signed Free Agent
    DL Howard Green Signed New York Jets
    DL Jarius Wynn Signed Free Agent
    LB Diyral Briggs Signed Denver Broncos
    LB Robert Francois
    LB Matt Wilhelm Signed San Francisco 49ers
    SS Anthony Levine Signed Free Agent
    SS Charlie Peprah Signed Atlanta Falcons

    2011 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    FB Jon Hoese Signed Free Agent
    OT Herb Taylor Signed Denver Broncos Green
    DL Johnny Jones Signed Miami Dolphins

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    2008 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    RB Justin Beaver Signed (Free Agent)
    P Derrick Frost Signed (Washington Redskins)
    OL Joe Toledo Signed Miami Dolphins
    LB Brandon Chillar Signed (St. Louis Rams)
    CB Scorpio Babers Signed (Free Agent)
    ST Thomas Gafford Signed (Seattle Seahawks)

    2009 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    QB Chris Pizzotti Signed (Free Agent
    RB Ahman Green Signed (Houston Texans)
    RB Tyrell Sutton Signed (Free Agent)
    WR Khalil Jones Signed (Free Agent)
    TE Tom Crabtree Signed (Free Agent)
    TE Devin Frischknecht Signed (Washington Redskins)
    LB Robert Francois Signed (Free Agent)
    LB Stryker Sulak Signed (Oakland Raiders)
    CB Josh Bell Signed (Denver Broncos)
    CB D.J. Clark Signed (Free Agent)
    FS Matt Giordano Signed (Indianapolis Colts)

    2010 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    QB Graham Harrell Signed Free Agent
    RB James X. Johnson Signed Free Agent
    RB Dimitri Nance Signed Atlanta Falcons
    WR Chastin West Signed Free Agent
    TE Spencer Havner Signed Detroit Lions
    TE Evan Moore Signed Cleveland Browns
    OT Chris Campbell Signed Free Agent
    OG Evan Dietrich-Smith Signed Free Agent
    DL Howard Green Signed New York Jets
    DL Jarius Wynn Signed Free Agent
    LB Diyral Briggs Signed Denver Broncos
    LB Robert Francois
    LB Matt Wilhelm Signed San Francisco 49ers
    SS Anthony Levine Signed Free Agent
    SS Charlie Peprah Signed Atlanta Falcons

    2011 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    FB Jon Hoese Signed Free Agent
    OT Herb Taylor Signed Denver Broncos Green
    DL Johnny Jones Signed Miami Dolphins
    There are only one or two notable FAs in that entire list. I think PF's point is still valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Everyone forgets that we were a stone throw away from a Superbowl by use of FA.
    I don't think that anyone forgot it. But going the FA route bought us exactly that - ONE year of contention. And we came close but didn't make it. And look at Washington - they break the bank every year and it gets them nowhere.

    I am OK with trying it this way for a change.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    By the time we finish building through the draft, our franchise player (AP) will be roughly 30 years old.... I'm all for building through the draft, but we could have atleast signed a starting O-lineman and a receiver... for goodness sake...

    And that's "IF" our GM can draft the players we need later in the rounds that can actually help us... I'm not sure he can.... This whole team is just a disaster with no end in sight!!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    2008 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    RB Justin Beaver Signed (Free Agent)
    P Derrick Frost Signed (Washington Redskins)
    OL Joe Toledo Signed Miami Dolphins
    LB Brandon Chillar Signed (St. Louis Rams)
    CB Scorpio Babers Signed (Free Agent)
    ST Thomas Gafford Signed (Seattle Seahawks)

    2009 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    QB Chris Pizzotti Signed (Free Agent
    RB Ahman Green Signed (Houston Texans)
    RB Tyrell Sutton Signed (Free Agent)
    WR Khalil Jones Signed (Free Agent)
    TE Tom Crabtree Signed (Free Agent)
    TE Devin Frischknecht Signed (Washington Redskins)
    LB Robert Francois Signed (Free Agent)
    LB Stryker Sulak Signed (Oakland Raiders)
    CB Josh Bell Signed (Denver Broncos)
    CB D.J. Clark Signed (Free Agent)
    FS Matt Giordano Signed (Indianapolis Colts)

    2010 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    QB Graham Harrell Signed Free Agent
    RB James X. Johnson Signed Free Agent
    RB Dimitri Nance Signed Atlanta Falcons
    WR Chastin West Signed Free Agent
    TE Spencer Havner Signed Detroit Lions
    TE Evan Moore Signed Cleveland Browns
    OT Chris Campbell Signed Free Agent
    OG Evan Dietrich-Smith Signed Free Agent
    DL Howard Green Signed New York Jets
    DL Jarius Wynn Signed Free Agent
    LB Diyral Briggs Signed Denver Broncos
    LB Robert Francois
    LB Matt Wilhelm Signed San Francisco 49ers
    SS Anthony Levine Signed Free Agent
    SS Charlie Peprah Signed Atlanta Falcons

    2011 Green Bay Packer FA signings
    FB Jon Hoese Signed Free Agent
    OT Herb Taylor Signed Denver Broncos Green
    DL Johnny Jones Signed Miami Dolphins
    Yeah, I suppose if you want to throw in their practice squad and pre season roster fillers then you sre right but then again how many of that number are playing on the field during the season.

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