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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

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    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    I do.

    [size=1pt]Seriously?
    I think what's done is done.
    We'll see if he deserves a chance to play in the NFL again.
    I just know that he's human, and humans change.[/size]

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    It would be weird to see Vick in a Pack jersey.

    I don't harbor any hate for the guy, really.
    So, seeing him with the Pack, I'm not too jacked about.

    I still want to see what his ability is after a few years off..
    I like that sig, Formo.
    I was going to compliment you over at PackersHome, but I know sometimes your fellow Purple folk help out with such a thing, so whoever made it---Pretty sharp, imo.

    Yup, thanks.. It was TheViking88 that made it..
    He did fantastic!
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Obviously not, but are you suggesting that he should life the rest of his life as a pariah? Even after going to jail and, in that way, paying for what he has done?

    Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with what he has done at all and the sentence he got was too low, because they where 'just dogs', but he did serve it out.

    I obviously prefer a guy like Willie Davis or Randall McDaniel, but I think that Vick deserves a second chance. Might be me being naïve or ignorant in your eyes, but it just seems fair to me.
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Obviously not, but are you suggesting that he should life the rest of his life as a pariah? Even after going to jail and, in that way, paying for what he has done?

    Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with what he has done at all and the sentence he got was too low, because they where 'just dogs', but he did serve it out.

    I obviously prefer a guy like Willie Davis or Randall McDaniel, but I think that Vick deserves a second chance. Might be me being naïve or ignorant in your eyes, but it just seems fair to me.
    Not many times I agree with Rock the commie (lol
    just kiddin' pal!), but on this subject, I agree.
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Obviously not, but are you suggesting that he should life the rest of his life as a pariah? Even after going to jail and, in that way, paying for what he has done?

    Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with what he has done at all and the sentence he got was too low, because they where 'just dogs', but he did serve it out.

    I obviously prefer a guy like Willie Davis or Randall McDaniel, but I think that Vick deserves a second chance. Might be me being naïve or ignorant in your eyes, but it just seems fair to me.
    I have no problem with him continuing his life.
    What I do have a problem with is Vick being in a position where he could be a role model to millions of young children.


    I also would like the NFL to send a message that you can be banned for life and Vick is a good place to start.

    The recent rash of criminal acts is pissing me off. Look at what has happened recently in Stallworth and Buress cases.
    I know he's probably innocent, but if Rothensberger pleaded guilty on rape charges down to 1yr in prison.
    Do you think a rapist should get a second chance in the NFL?

    What about a child molester, that only serves 6 mo. or one that is convicted of child porn?
    After they serve time do they also deserve another chance?
    Is having a picture of a naked kid worse then torturing several animals to death?

    WHERE IS THE LINE?

    IMO, Vick crossed the line.
    Stallworth crossed it.
    Buress crossed it.
    If you make an exception for one, you set the precedence for all, and the next guy who will probably up the ante.
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "The" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Nice. I approve of this post. That said...

    I can't imagine anything I would love more than to have Ron Mexico in a Packers uniform. The thought of him going up against the Vikings rushing defense makes me giddy. I have visions of Pat Williams turning RonRon's legs and midsection into jelly and get a tingle in my pants.
    I don't want to see Vick as a Packer, I think he is so different than every other player in the NFL that the Vikings would have to game plan for him, even if he only came in for a couple of plays. I think Vick makes the Packers better, and that's a bad thing IMHO.

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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "The" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Nice. I approve of this post. That said...

    I can't imagine anything I would love more than to have Ron Mexico in a Packers uniform. The thought of him going up against the Vikings rushing defense makes me giddy. I have visions of Pat Williams turning RonRon's legs and midsection into jelly and get a tingle in my pants.
    I don't want to see Vick as a Packer, I think he is so different than every other player in the NFL that the Vikings would have to game plan for him, even if he only came in for a couple of plays. I think Vick makes the Packers better, and that's a bad thing IMHO.
    +1 totally agree.

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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Obviously not, but are you suggesting that he should life the rest of his life as a pariah? Even after going to jail and, in that way, paying for what he has done?

    Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with what he has done at all and the sentence he got was too low, because they where 'just dogs', but he did serve it out.

    I obviously prefer a guy like Willie Davis or Randall McDaniel, but I think that Vick deserves a second chance. Might be me being naïve or ignorant in your eyes, but it just seems fair to me.
    I have no problem with him continuing his life.
    What I do have a problem with is Vick being in a position where he could be a role model to millions of young children.


    I also would like the NFL to send a message that you can be banned for life and Vick is a good place to start.

    The recent rash of criminal acts is pissing me off. Look at what has happened recently in Stallworth and Buress cases.
    I know he's probably innocent, but if Rothensberger pleaded guilty on rape charges down to 1yr in prison.
    Do you think a rapist should get a second chance in the NFL?

    What about a child molester, that only serves 6 mo. or one that is convicted of child porn?
    After they serve time do they also deserve another chance?
    Is having a picture of a naked kid worse then torturing several animals to death?

    WHERE IS THE LINE?

    IMO, Vick crossed the line.
    Stallworth crossed it.
    Buress crossed it.
    If you make an exception for one, you set the precedence for all, and the next guy who will probably up the ante.
    I agree with you. Athletes and celebrities appear to get special treatment. A couple of weeks for DUI Manslaughter is unacceptable.

    This is a problem that lays within the legal system and not within the NFL. I don't think that the NFL should go and write its own laws. They shouldn't decide what sentence an athlete should get based on criminal charges.

    As for the role model part. I think that the NFL is doing a good job here. This way, it focusses more on forgiveness and how you can change your life after a sentence. Especially with some PR boosting tactics like the anti-dogfighting stuff he's doing now.

    It's a great example for other corporations and organizations as well. Ex-cons can barely get back to work. That obviously forces them back into their criminal ways. If more bosses would give employees a second chance (Not persé within the same company), maybe crime rates would drop a little as well. Althoug that last one might be a bit far fetched.

    As to Formo. Lol. I'm not commie, but someone has to be on a more socialistic side. It's like the camp of the (economic) conservatives/republicans over at PH.
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    I heard you could order these from China already...




    Just kidding, in all honesty, I agree with Rockmolder to a degree.
    The societal effects from being a con are very often disproportionate to the actual crime, and that has an impact on regression to the actual crime.


    In Vick's case, however, I think that both he and society would be better served if he never played another snap in the NFL.
    People say that he has paid his debt to society, and I disagree.
    He has done all the time that he should have, but by essence of the fact that he WAS in such a high profile position, and the fact that he WAS a widely popular role model to young men and women everywhere, and the fact the he was so by his own choosing makes me feel that his debt to society should be far greater than just an average person convicted of the same crime would have.

    Double standard? Sure.
    But that is part of the risk you accept when you willingly participate in high profile sports - or any position that casts you into the role model role.
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "Rockmolder" wrote:
    I don't know, there might be some real interest here. We have money to spend and, for a man who's very happy with the team he has, this would be the opportunity to sign a FA who would complement the team, but not impact any starters.

    Just think about Vick getting in at 3rd and 3 with a 5 receiver set. Obviously, he's not as good a passer as Rodgers is, but with our O-line, we could use someone that can move around and with our receivers, you can't really take someone out of coverage to put in as a spy. You try to stop a slant by Driver, a streak by Jennings, 3 other receivers and Vick's ability to go for the draw or just scramble for a 1st down.

    Apart from that... yes, our back-ups have pretty much sucked so far. They've been showing some sign of improvement, but non of them have been doing anything special. I guess that we could use him as a back-up, assuming that we won't have him on the roster as something else than a QB.
    Next time you see a dog, picture in your mind what it would take for you to tape its mouth shut and hold it under water while it struggles hopelessly to breathe.

    Or for you grab the dog by its back legs, swing it in the air, and slam it to the ground to crush its skull.
    Or while you look into a dogs trusting eye, your tying rope around its neck; so you can hoist it up to watch it writhe in pain and suffering as it is slowly strangles.

    I won't even describe electrocution, tying the females to rape bars, staking out smaller dogs so the fighters can get the taste of blood, or just watching two dogs bite and claw each other till one is too hurt or dead.

    Did you enjoy thinking about it?
    Obviously not, but are you suggesting that he should life the rest of his life as a pariah? Even after going to jail and, in that way, paying for what he has done?

    Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with what he has done at all and the sentence he got was too low, because they where 'just dogs', but he did serve it out.

    I obviously prefer a guy like Willie Davis or Randall McDaniel, but I think that Vick deserves a second chance. Might be me being naïve or ignorant in your eyes, but it just seems fair to me.
    I have no problem with him continuing his life.
    What I do have a problem with is Vick being in a position where he could be a role model to millions of young children.


    I also would like the NFL to send a message that you can be banned for life and Vick is a good place to start.

    The recent rash of criminal acts is pissing me off. Look at what has happened recently in Stallworth and Buress cases.
    I know he's probably innocent, but if Rothensberger pleaded guilty on rape charges down to 1yr in prison.
    Do you think a rapist should get a second chance in the NFL?

    What about a child molester, that only serves 6 mo. or one that is convicted of child porn?
    After they serve time do they also deserve another chance?
    Is having a picture of a naked kid worse then torturing several animals to death?

    WHERE IS THE LINE?

    IMO, Vick crossed the line.
    Stallworth crossed it.
    Buress crossed it.
    If you make an exception for one, you set the precedence for all, and the next guy who will probably up the ante.
    I agree with you. Athletes and celebrities appear to get special treatment. A couple of weeks for DUI Manslaughter is unacceptable.

    This is a problem that lays within the legal system and not within the NFL. I don't think that the NFL should go and write its own laws. They shouldn't decide what sentence an athlete should get based on criminal charges.

    As for the role model part. I think that the NFL is doing a good job here. This way, it focusses more on forgiveness and how you can change your life after a sentence. Especially with some PR boosting tactics like the anti-dogfighting stuff he's doing now.

    It's a great example for other corporations and organizations as well. Ex-cons can barely get back to work. That obviously forces them back into their criminal ways. If more bosses would give employees a second chance (Not persé within the same company), maybe crime rates would drop a little as well. Althoug that last one might be a bit far fetched.

    As to Formo. Lol. I'm not commie, but someone has to be on a more socialistic side. It's like the camp of the (economic) conservatives/republicans over at PH.
    #1 the NFL doesn't write laws and they don't sentence anyone.
    They establish employment practices, just like any other corporation.
    Most corps have a policy on hiring felons, non-violent felons (writing bad checks) are treated very different then violent ones.
    It also matters what kind of access or exposure to the public, i.e. computer programmer or sales person.
    In Vicks case he has a double whammy, because he committed a VERY violent act multiple times and he wants a very high profile position.
    I wouldn't have a problem if he wanted to be in a different position in the NFL.


    What I also take into consideration in Vicks case is his arrogancy after being caught.
    He didn't think dogfight was bad or should be a crime. He thought they were his property and he could do with them as he pleased. He didn't show a tiny amount of remorse until he realized he couldn't beat the charge.
    He's only sorry about getting caught. IMO he still has no feelings for all the dogs he tortured to death.

    As for using him as a PR guy to crusade againt dogfighting and getting a second chance. IMO he's only doing it to get back in the NFL.
    If the NFL, CFL, and UFL banned him for life, he wouldn't do anything.
    I doubt he really cares, he's just brownnosing his way back in.
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    Re: Packers sent high-level personnel to meet with Vick

    Ok here we go...

    1. Stallworth
    Drinking and driving is wrong, so is running out into an oncoming car in the middle of a highway at 2am. Refer back to my drinking and driving is stupid and wrong, yet I have done it before. As idiotic as it is, we have all drank 3-4 beers and drove home. If you haven't, then you haven't drank before and that I applaud you for. I feel horrible for the victims family but yet we are so easy to judge when it could have been anyone of us. It isn't like he swerved off the road and hit anybody or ran down the wrong lane. He was in his lane and BAM. Not only did he stay with his victim he called for help. He didn't run and try to hide, he knew that he was in trouble and stayed there with the victim.

    2. Vick
    I am a HUGE dog lover. Adopted my own dog from the Heartland Humane Society of Missouri, which is run by my sister-in-law's aunt. Dog fighting is stupid and should be taken care of, and because of this incident I believe it is. Call me stupid if you want, but this bust of Vick was a blessing in disguise. At the same time I am a firm believerin serving your time. Why do you go to prison? To learn from your mistakes. Should we not believe that he learned from mistake and understands that it is wrong? Why do we as humans just suggest the only reason he is going with the Humane Society is only to get into the NFL? Thats a pretty sad state of our society.


    LIke I said I am a huge fan of second chances, but third chances are not in my dictionary.......I'm sure I will get flamed for this....


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