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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

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    How many of those 13 happened since you were alive?

    How many since you were old enough to understand the game & watched it?

    How many in the last 30 years?
    7 since I have been old enough to watch.
    One of them less than a week ago.
    How many for you?
    I suppose it must be nice to cheer for the winning team, and to brag about their accomplishments.

    How much more dedication must you have to cheer for a team that LOST?

    It's pretty easy to be a Packer fan right about now. Where were you in the 80's? I remember living in Wisconsin in the 80's and the ONLY people wearing Packer garb were the poor people who shopped at Goodwill (Not an exaggeration). It was all Chicago Bears, San Fransisco 49'ers, and Dallas Cowboys. It wasn't until Favre showed up that Packer fans - or, as I call them, "Packtards" - started coming out of the woodwork.

    And they all do the same silly thing...they run their suck about how many championships the Packers have won, and all claim to have been lifelong Packer fans...


    Furthermore, it isn't like those 13 "Championships" were all back to back.
    3 of them occured before 1932, when there were 12 teams in the league. In '36, '39, and '44, there were only TEN teams in the NFL.

    '61 and '62, our first two seasons in the NFL, Green Bay managed to come out on top of a 14 team League. They did it again in '65....

    So, 9 of your 13 Championships were against much smaller fields than we face today.

    '66-'69, after the AFL and NFL had agreed to merge but BEFORE they acvtually DID, Green Bay won 2 more Championships (And we won one too). And while the NFL alter decided to back date the "superbowl" to include the '66 and '67 games, it wasn't ACTUALLY called the "Superbowl" until '68.

    Further, the first 4 - pre-merger - are somewhat problematic in their classification...because they ARE pre-merger.

    So, 11 of your 13 "World Championships" came before the merger, and before the competition field diversified.

    That leaves you with 2...and 3 appearances. That leaves us with 3 appearances.

    Not a whole lot of difference after all, is there?

    So, again, brag it up. Enjoy it. Tell us again how many empty championships your team has won. But consider this, I have FAR more respect for a Lions fan than I do for most Packer fans...because they've stuck it out. Just like we have.

    It's easy to cheer for a winning team. Let's see how deep your loyalty runs when the chips are down....

    Caine
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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

    Oh Come on, you have to give Green bay their due and not try to skew stats like a chilly backer trying to justify jackson and the KAO.

    The Packers are far and away a more successful organization than the vikings and there is no way to spin it any other way. I hate the fact that they are and I would love nothing more than to change that but until the Vikings as an organization decide to stop worrying more about the building they are playing in and start to put together an organization that is stable and competent there is nothing we as vikings fans can do except eat the crow and admit we are a class below them. Well, maybe the fans are certainly not by and large a class below but the organization and ownership have been.

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

    Ah, it's ok, PF-- I did the exact same sort of thing (not to that degree, lol--Caine will have to take up some of that b.s. hyperbole with Kansas City Chiefs fans, as an example,) during a certain 28 year drought.

    My only fear is that (in the sanity department) he's actually buyin' what he is trying to sell. B)

    ...and I wish he'd stick to a theme, for cripes sake. It used to be that we only had the Pukers in our god-forsaken state, which is why we packtards support them so foolishly, now he's going with the "fair weather fan" deal.

    Us fair weather fans have a rather long wait list for season tickets. The list started in 1960...

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/114877119.html

    Green Bay — If you got on the waiting list for Green Bay Packers season tickets today, you could expect a just-won-the-lottery call from 1265 Lombardi Ave. in, oh, about 955 years.
    I'd stick with the packtards nothing better to do schtick, but that's just me.

    Oh, and I apologize for "gloating", but my intent was "SELECTIVE gloating" aimed at a few select members...unfortunately, there is some "collateral damage" of sorts when doing so. :blink: I did try and keep it aimed at the respective teams vs. fans, plus in my defense-I have absorbed plenty of crap (which is to be expected, I know I'm a "guest") in the past few years...

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

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    Ah, it's ok, PF-- I did the exact same sort of thing (not to that degree, lol--Caine will have to take up some of that b.s. hyperbole with Kansas City Chiefs fans, as an example,) during a certain 28 year drought.

    My only fear is that (in the sanity department) he's actually buyin' what he is trying to sell. B)
    Actually it's not OK. But unfortunately it's life.

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

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    How many of those 13 happened since you were alive?

    How many since you were old enough to understand the game & watched it?

    How many in the last 30 years?
    7 since I have been old enough to watch.
    One of them less than a week ago.
    How many for you?
    Ouch! This isn't even a fair fight.
    Well, he ASKED, lol
    I guess he did, but he seems to be having a more difficult time then most accepting reality. It's a big pill to swallow.
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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

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    Oh Come on, you have to give Green bay their due and not try to skew stats like a chilly backer trying to justify jackson and the KAO.

    The Packers are far and away a more successful organization than the vikings and there is no way to spin it any other way. I hate the fact that they are and I would love nothing more than to change that but until the Vikings as an organization decide to stop worrying more about the building they are playing in and start to put together an organization that is stable and competent there is nothing we as vikings fans can do except eat the crow and admit we are a class below them. Well, maybe the fans are certainly not by and large a class below but the organization and ownership have been.
    Are you serious? You honestly believe that Green Bay is a "much more successful" franchise?

    Let's consider a few "truths" here:

    Since 1961:

    Green bay has a combined regular season record of 408-337-13. A 53.8% overall victory rating.

    Minnesota has a combined regular season record of 413-336-9. A 54.4% overall victory rating.

    Bear in mind, that these numbers include our formative years, when while Green Bay had already had 39 years of play in which to build their franchise.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 13 NFC North or NFC Central titles.

    Minnesota has won 18.

    Also, keep in mind that 5 of Green Bay's Division titles were won between 1961 and 1967...while we were still building.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 8 NFL Championship games. Three of which occurred in 1961, 1962, and 1965. Two of which occurred in 1966 and '67.

    Minnesota has won 4, starting in 1969.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has had 11 Players inducted into the Hall of Fame (players who went in for playing prior to 1961 were not counted).

    Minnesota has had 13.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 4 Superbowls. Two of which actually occurred PRIOR to the NFL-AFL merger, but which get counted anyway.

    Minnesota has won none.

    This is the ONLY stat in which Green Bay significantly outranks us. That's it.

    So, again, I say that if you truly believe they have a ""much more successful franchise", then perhaps you need to take a long hard look at the franchise you CLAIM to be a supporter of. Despite starting off 40 years AFTER the Packers, the Vikings have been a very successful franchise during our 50 year run.

    And while it is true that capturing a Superbowl victory has eluded us, we have been neck and neck with them (Green Bay). In fact, our overall series record is 48-51-1 (currently in their favor...thanks to Childress and his fewkin KAO), while our all time Play-off record is 1-0 in our favor.

    I know it's easy to lose sight of the truth when faced with a Packer Superbowl win. But, when you look past that, at the CORE of the teams, you see a slightly different picture. And despite the fact taht we are faced with yet another rebuilding period (Again, thanks to Chiller and his colossal mismanagement), keep in mind that one season does not define a franchise.

    And, yeah, I buy the stuff I'm selling...refute it if you can.

    Caine

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1089412
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1089355
    Oh Come on, you have to give Green bay their due and not try to skew stats like a chilly backer trying to justify jackson and the KAO.

    The Packers are far and away a more successful organization than the vikings and there is no way to spin it any other way. I hate the fact that they are and I would love nothing more than to change that but until the Vikings as an organization decide to stop worrying more about the building they are playing in and start to put together an organization that is stable and competent there is nothing we as vikings fans can do except eat the crow and admit we are a class below them. Well, maybe the fans are certainly not by and large a class below but the organization and ownership have been.
    Are you serious? You honestly believe that Green Bay is a "much more successful" franchise?

    Let's consider a few "truths" here:

    Since 1961:

    Green bay has a combined regular season record of 408-337-13. A 53.8% overall victory rating.

    Minnesota has a combined regular season record of 413-336-9. A 54.4% overall victory rating.

    Bear in mind, that these numbers include our formative years, when while Green Bay had already had 39 years of play in which to build their franchise.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 13 NFC North or NFC Central titles.

    Minnesota has won 18.

    Also, keep in mind that 5 of Green Bay's Division titles were won between 1961 and 1967...while we were still building.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 8 NFL Championship games. Three of which occurred in 1961, 1962, and 1965. Two of which occurred in 1966 and '67.

    Minnesota has won 4, starting in 1969.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has had 11 Players inducted into the Hall of Fame (players who went in for playing prior to 1961 were not counted).

    Minnesota has had 13.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 4 Superbowls. Two of which actually occurred PRIOR to the NFL-AFL merger, but which get counted anyway.

    Minnesota has won none.

    This is the ONLY stat in which Green Bay significantly outranks us. That's it.

    So, again, I say that if you truly believe they have a ""much more successful franchise", then perhaps you need to take a long hard look at the franchise you CLAIM to be a supporter of. Despite starting off 40 years AFTER the Packers, the Vikings have been a very successful franchise during our 50 year run.

    And while it is true that capturing a Superbowl victory has eluded us, we have been neck and neck with them (Green Bay). In fact, our overall series record is 48-51-1 (currently in their favor...thanks to Childress and his fewkin KAO), while our all time Play-off record is 1-0 in our favor.

    I know it's easy to lose sight of the truth when faced with a Packer Superbowl win. But, when you look past that, at the CORE of the teams, you see a slightly different picture. And despite the fact taht we are faced with yet another rebuilding period (Again, thanks to Chiller and his colossal mismanagement), keep in mind that one season does not define a franchise.

    And, yeah, I buy the stuff I'm selling...refute it if you can.

    Caine
    Well all I really have to say is that since the vikings were formed the Packers won the NFl championships in 1961,62,65,66 and 67 and won the 1st 2 SB's. Then they went on a long drought but came back and won a sb in 96,lost it in 97 and won it again this year.

    The fact is they get to the championship games and when they do they have a good record of winning them. We got there 4 times almost 40 years ago and lost every single one of them and since then we have gotten to the NFC Championship game in 88, 99, 01 and 09 and in every case we

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    That is the difference- They win the big games and we miss them by that much. Not much else to add.


    BTW. I am not happy about it and my guess is not many fans are more pissed than me that it is that way, but OTOH I recognize it and it makes me more determined to see that the team gets no slack until they change it.

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1089412
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1089355
    Oh Come on, you have to give Green bay their due and not try to skew stats like a chilly backer trying to justify jackson and the KAO.

    The Packers are far and away a more successful organization than the vikings and there is no way to spin it any other way. I hate the fact that they are and I would love nothing more than to change that but until the Vikings as an organization decide to stop worrying more about the building they are playing in and start to put together an organization that is stable and competent there is nothing we as vikings fans can do except eat the crow and admit we are a class below them. Well, maybe the fans are certainly not by and large a class below but the organization and ownership have been.
    Are you serious? You honestly believe that Green Bay is a "much more successful" franchise?

    Let's consider a few "truths" here:

    Since 1961:

    Green bay has a combined regular season record of 408-337-13. A 53.8% overall victory rating.

    Minnesota has a combined regular season record of 413-336-9. A 54.4% overall victory rating.

    Bear in mind, that these numbers include our formative years, when while Green Bay had already had 39 years of play in which to build their franchise.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 13 NFC North or NFC Central titles.

    Minnesota has won 18.

    Also, keep in mind that 5 of Green Bay's Division titles were won between 1961 and 1967...while we were still building.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 8 NFL Championship games. Three of which occurred in 1961, 1962, and 1965. Two of which occurred in 1966 and '67.

    Minnesota has won 4, starting in 1969.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has had 11 Players inducted into the Hall of Fame (players who went in for playing prior to 1961 were not counted).

    Minnesota has had 13.

    Since 1961:

    Green Bay has won 4 Superbowls. Two of which actually occurred PRIOR to the NFL-AFL merger, but which get counted anyway.

    Minnesota has won none.

    This is the ONLY stat in which Green Bay significantly outranks us. That's it.

    So, again, I say that if you truly believe they have a ""much more successful franchise", then perhaps you need to take a long hard look at the franchise you CLAIM to be a supporter of. Despite starting off 40 years AFTER the Packers, the Vikings have been a very successful franchise during our 50 year run.

    And while it is true that capturing a Superbowl victory has eluded us, we have been neck and neck with them (Green Bay). In fact, our overall series record is 48-51-1 (currently in their favor...thanks to Childress and his fewkin KAO), while our all time Play-off record is 1-0 in our favor.

    I know it's easy to lose sight of the truth when faced with a Packer Superbowl win. But, when you look past that, at the CORE of the teams, you see a slightly different picture. And despite the fact taht we are faced with yet another rebuilding period (Again, thanks to Chiller and his colossal mismanagement), keep in mind that one season does not define a franchise.

    And, yeah, I buy the stuff I'm selling...refute it if you can.

    Caine
    Well all I really have to say is that since the vikings were formed the Packers won the NFl championships in 1961,62,65,66 and 67 and won the 1st 2 SB's. Then they went on a long drought but came back and won a sb in 96,lost it in 97 and won it again this year.

    The fact is they get to the championship games and when they do they have a good record of winning them. We got there 4 times almost 40 years ago and lost every single one of them and since then we have gotten to the NFC Championship game in 88, 99, 01 and 09 and in every case we

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPwrodxghrw



    That is the difference- They win the big games and we miss them by that much. Not much else to add.


    BTW. I am not happy about it and my guess is not many fans are more pissed than me that it is that way, but OTOH I recognize it and it makes me more determined to see that the team gets no slack until they change it.
    Look, I'm not going to tell you how to cheer...I'm simply pointing out that except for a few breaks one way or the other, Minnesota hasn't done as poorly as you make it sound like.

    Since the addition of the NFC Championship game (1970), we've been there EIGHT times. Only Dallas, San Fransisco, and the LA/St. Louis Rams have been there more times.

    And, since the advent of that game, we've won it 3 times....just like Green Bay (Who's only managed to make it there 5 times).

    So, while their win% may be better, and they have more Superbowls, WE have had more positive seasons than they have...and that's worth something in itself.

    My POINT is that you stated that Green Bay has a "far and away a more successful organization than the vikings"...and I've shown that they, in fact, do NOT. You can continue to look at championships before the modern NFL, or judge us solely by Superbowl wins...but if that's the criteria, then Pittsburgh is far and away the greatest team ever, followed by Dallas and San Fransisco...and we all might as well jump on their bandwagons. Furthermore, since the 49'ers have never LOST a Superbowl, they must be "far and away a more successful organization" than the Vikings AND the Packers, right?

    Of course, looking at the Niners right now, that's going to be a hard sell.

    And that's the POINT. Superbowls are "A" measure of success. And every team aspires to win one. But if they're your ONLY measure of success, then you're missing quite a bit of the picture.

    Caine

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

    Ah hell, Caine, let it go. Other than the sig, I will too. I'll even keep it at 12, lol

    Come discuss the CBA , maybe we can find some common ground.

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    Re: Favre to Peppers: “Beat the Packers”

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1089423
    Ah hell, Caine, let it go. Other than the sig, I will too. I'll even keep it at 12, lol

    Come discuss the CBA , maybe we can find some common ground.

    Foster
    "let it go" usually means, "I have nothing to refute you with".

    I'm simply responding to anyone who wants to try and grind on the Vikings...friend or foe.

    The records speak for themselves...I simply pointed them out.

    As for the CBA - Greedy Owners want to screw Greedy Players who want to screw Greedy owners...

    ...saw this play out a few years back in the NHL. Wasn't pretty.

    The players need to agree to Rookie caps, and STFU. If you don't like the NFL, quit and form your own league.

    Caine

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