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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    First of all I will say that Favre will play week 1 for the packers in 08.

    I also want to disagree with anyone who thinks favre is the greatest QB of all time.
    He has an amazing arm and the heart of a lion. His longevity is inspirational. But in order to be the best of all time you also have to have good decision making, Favre does not have that, he leads the NFL in INTS in an era where the offense and recievers have all the advantage. 10 different season he threw 16 or more ints(1 or more a game). Not only is he not the best all time he is not even the best of today. I think Tom Brady, Payton Manning are both far superior in their decision making and reading a defense and throwing accurately(and like favre neither get injured).

    I fully expect favre to play atleast 2 more seasons and probably throw another 35-40 ints.

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    Wow, and the bashing begins!
    I'll be the first to admit that hating the Pack is apart of the entire Viking lovefest I have going in my life and have since I was 2.
    With that said I will say that after the Monday Night Game the night after his father passed away will be a game I will forever remember and still choke up a little when I see highlights from it.
    Sometimes I think people look to far into the #'s and fail to look more into what he brought to the state of wisconsin, the city of GB, and the fans of the NFL.
    He is a legend and will be remembered as one which he rightfully deserves.
    He will without question be a first ballot HOF'er.
    Brett Favre is a guy who enjoyed playing the game and if you can seriously say you watched the packers over his career and didn't get the feeling that he truly enjoyed the game your most likely being nothing short of a hater.
    He was a throw back QB and was a staple for the GB franchise for so many years.
    With all the trading, and free agency shit that goes on in the wonderful world of the NFL it's remarkable the man stayed with GB for so long.
    Brett Favre was much more then the QB for the Packers, he was an icon for all that watched him.
    We seen him grow over the past 17 years right in front of our eyes.
    I use to bash on him for years and years but after the Monday night game he earned (deserved) my full respect which I give him.


    Lastly, if you don't respect any of the stats he put up over his career the one you must respect is how many games the man started in a row.
    He deserves the title of being the NFL's Iron Man!

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    I'll remember him mostly for his toughness and egotistical maniac ways.

    I'll remember him just as much for his INT throwing as his TD throwing.

    I'll remember him as fighter, but also as a cry-baby douche.

    I'll always remember Favre.

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    He will be back...If not this season then the next one....I do not see him statying retired he will get the itch again

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    "Json" wrote:
    Wow, and the bashing begins!
    I'll be the first to admit that hating the Pack is apart of the entire Viking lovefest I have going in my life and have since I was 2.


    Lastly, if you don't respect any of the stats he put up over his career the one you must respect is how many games the man started in a row.
    He deserves the title of being the NFL's Iron Man!
    This is the "Trash The Pack" forum though.
    Please save all positive comments for the Favre Retires thread in the General NFL section.
    J/K he's gone and I think we can all agree thats good for us.

    I wouldn't be to suprised to see him pull a Strahan and come back late though, or maybe even a Seau and "graduate" then sign with a better team a week later.
    Oh yeah, Screw the Packers!

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    "lakehubertviking" wrote:
    "Json" wrote:
    Wow, and the bashing begins!
    I'll be the first to admit that hating the Pack is apart of the entire Viking lovefest I have going in my life and have since I was 2.


    Lastly, if you don't respect any of the stats he put up over his career the one you must respect is how many games the man started in a row.
    He deserves the title of being the NFL's Iron Man!
    This is the "Trash The Pack" forum though.
    Please save all positive comments for the Favre Retires thread in the General NFL section.

    J/K he's gone and I think we can all agree thats good for us.

    I wouldn't be to suprised to see him pull a Strahan and come back late though, or maybe even a Seau and "graduate" then sign with a better team a week later.
    Oh yeah, Screw the Packers!
    I really really can't imagine him signing with another team if he came back...although I guess anything is possible.

    What would cheeseheads do with themselves?
    I bet there would be suicides.

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

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    Hey Shutz, Brad Johnson has a Super Bowl ring, does that make him "great" ? So does Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hofstelter. Would you call them "great" because of that ?

    Remember that game about 5 years ago ? NFC Playoffs, Packers at the Rams. Favre absolutely sank the team by throwing I think 5 interceptions. It was ridiculous. And he has done that more than once (I remember him doing it against us). I think to judge Favre's record, you have to look specifically at what he did or did not do for his team in the playoffs. I don't have the stats, but I just wonder what Favre's overall playoff record is, and how many picks he threw.

    And yes, he often at least appeared more personal-stat-driven than team-driven.

    Yes, the Packers won the Super Bowl, but if you are such a great QB, why not more than just one ? My argument is that they could have had more than that.

    The point is that the great QBs control the game, and that sometimes means sitting on the ball and handing off.

    BTW, I disagree about Eli. Throughout the playoffs, he threw zero INTs, and he had to throw some of those passes in the Show, because the game was so tight. Eli learned to throw shorter, high-percentage passes as the season went on. Eli threw those longer balls in the Super Bowl, but they were more like jump balls, because the Giants had decided that their own WRs were taller than the Pats corners, and so throwing those passes made sense, because the Pats corners were getting "owned" in that game.

    I also think that Favre's lame attempt to get Randy Moss was bad. No sense of team or history, especially after Moss mooned Lambeau. Can you imagine Tom Brady saying something like "We can't win and I will retire if we don't get Javon Walker ?". Or Joe Montana saying "I walk if we don't get Michael Irvin" ? Lame.
    Wow, go ahead and compile how many records Brad Johnson and company had.

    Season
    Team
    Passing
    Rushing
    Fumbles
    G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
    2007 Green Bay Packers 16 16 356 535 66.5 4,155 7.8 28 15 15 93 95.7 29 12 0.4 0 9 3
    2006 Green Bay Packers 16 16 343 613 56.0 3,885 6.3 18 18 21 134 72.7 23 29 1.3 1 8 5
    2005 Green Bay Packers 16 16 372 607 61.3 3,881 6.4 20 29 24 170 70.9 18 62 3.4 0 10 7
    2004 Green Bay Packers 16 16 346 540 64.1 4,088 7.6 30 17 12 93 92.4 16 36 2.3 0 4 1
    2003 Green Bay Packers 16 16 308 471 65.4 3,361 7.1 32 21 19 137 90.4 18 15 0.8 0 5 2
    2002 Green Bay Packers 16 16 341 551 61.9 3,658 6.6 27 16 26 188 85.6 25 73 2.9 0 10 4
    2001 Green Bay Packers 16 16 314 510 61.6 3,921 7.7 32 15 22 151 94.1 38 56 1.5 1 16 6
    2000 Green Bay Packers 16 16 338 580 58.3 3,812 6.6 20 16 33 236 78.0 27 108 4.0 0 9 5
    1999 Green Bay Packers 16 16 341 595 57.3 4,091 6.9 22 23 35 223 74.7 28 142 5.1 0 9 4
    1998 Green Bay Packers 16 16 347 551 63.0 4,212 7.6 31 23 38 223 87.8 40 133 3.3 1 8 2
    1997 Green Bay Packers 16 16 304 513 59.3 3,867 7.5 35 16 25 176 92.6 58 187 3.2 1 7 4
    1996 Green Bay Packers 16 16 325 543 59.9 3,899 7.2 39 13 40 241 95.8 49 136 2.8 2 11 4
    1995 Green Bay Packers 16 16 359 570 63.0 4,413 7.7 38 13 33 217 99.5 39 181 4.6 3 8 4
    1994 Green Bay Packers 16 16 363 582 62.4 3,882 6.7 33 14 31 188 90.7 42 202 4.8 2 7 3
    1993 Green Bay Packers 16 16 318 522 60.9 3,303 6.3 19 24 30 199 72.2 58 216 3.7 1 14 6
    1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 6.9 18 13 34 208 85.3 47 198 4.2 1 12 4
    1991 Atlanta Falcons 2 0 0 4 0.0 0 0.0 0 2 1 11 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
    TOTAL 5,377 8,758 61.4 61,655 7.0 442 288 439 2,888 85.7 555 1,786 3.2 13 147 64


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    Season
    Team
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    G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
    2007 Dallas Cowboys 16 0 7 11 63.6 79 7.2 0 0 1 9 85.0 5 -5 -1.0 0 -- --
    2006 Minnesota Vikings 15 14 270 439 61.5 2,750 6.3 9 15 29 200 72.0 29 82 2.8 1 9 4
    2005 Minnesota Vikings 15 9 184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3
    2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 4 65 103 63.1 674 6.5 3 3 8 55 79.5 5 23 4.6 0 2 1
    2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 354 570 62.1 3,811 6.7 26 21 20 111 81.5 25 33 1.3 0 6 2
    2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 13 281 451 62.3 3,049 6.8 22 6 21 121 92.9 13 30 2.3 0 8 2
    2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 340 559 60.8 3,406 6.1 13 11 44 269 77.7 39 120 3.1 3 4 2
    2000 Washington Redskins 12 11 228 365 62.5 2,505 6.9 11 15 20 150 75.7 22 58 2.6 1 5 3
    1999 Washington Redskins 16 16 316 519 60.9 4,005 7.7 24 13 29 177 90.0 26 31 1.2 2 12 6
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 4 2 65 101 64.4 747 7.4 7 5 4 30 89.0 12 15 1.3 0 1 1
    1997 Minnesota Vikings 13 13 275 452 60.8 3,036 6.7 20 12 26 164 84.5 35 139 4.0 0 4 1
    1996 Minnesota Vikings 12 8 195 311 62.7 2,258 7.3 17 10 15 119 89.4 34 90 2.6 1 5 1
    1995 Minnesota Vikings 5 0 25 36 69.4 272 7.6 0 2 2 18 68.3 9 -9 -1.0 0 2 0
    1994 Minnesota Vikings 4 0 22 37 59.5 150 4.1 0 0 1 5 68.5 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- --
    1993 Minnesota Vikings 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
    1992 Minnesota Vikings 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
    TOTAL 2,627 4,248 61.8 28,627 6.7 164 117 243 1,562 83.1 274 658 2.4 8 63 26


    But no you're right comparing a bunch of mediocre QBs to Brett Favre is a great example of why he was such a "terrible" QB.
    Please, I know some of the Vikings fans don't like anybody that isn't currently playing for the Vikings, but it's just said that someone would try to compare Brad Johnson to Brett Favre.

    If Brett Favre didn't play football his way he probably wouldn't have been have the QB he was.
    Kind of like telling Fran Tarkenton, well I think he would have been a good QB if he didn't run so much.


    Was Brett Favre the best to ever play?
    Probably not, there's a couple guys I'd put ahead of him.
    Was he one of the top 5 to ever play?
    I would say yes, and to sit around and nit pick at a QB who broke so many records and made so much history is just dumb.
    Take off the Purple tinted wonder land glasses and acknowledge he was a great QB.
    He may have had some faults, but that doesn't mean we should sit around trying to convince people that makes him a bad QB.

    This announcer is still and idiot with nothing more than a grudge or some sort of look at me personality who wanted to tear Favre down to make himself look smart.

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    "Schutz" wrote:
    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Hey Shutz, Brad Johnson has a Super Bowl ring, does that make him "great" ? So does Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hofstelter. Would you call them "great" because of that ?

    Remember that game about 5 years ago ? NFC Playoffs, Packers at the Rams. Favre absolutely sank the team by throwing I think 5 interceptions. It was ridiculous. And he has done that more than once (I remember him doing it against us). I think to judge Favre's record, you have to look specifically at what he did or did not do for his team in the playoffs. I don't have the stats, but I just wonder what Favre's overall playoff record is, and how many picks he threw.

    And yes, he often at least appeared more personal-stat-driven than team-driven.

    Yes, the Packers won the Super Bowl, but if you are such a great QB, why not more than just one ? My argument is that they could have had more than that.

    The point is that the great QBs control the game, and that sometimes means sitting on the ball and handing off.

    BTW, I disagree about Eli. Throughout the playoffs, he threw zero INTs, and he had to throw some of those passes in the Show, because the game was so tight. Eli learned to throw shorter, high-percentage passes as the season went on. Eli threw those longer balls in the Super Bowl, but they were more like jump balls, because the Giants had decided that their own WRs were taller than the Pats corners, and so throwing those passes made sense, because the Pats corners were getting "owned" in that game.

    I also think that Favre's lame attempt to get Randy Moss was bad. No sense of team or history, especially after Moss mooned Lambeau. Can you imagine Tom Brady saying something like "We can't win and I will retire if we don't get Javon Walker ?". Or Joe Montana saying "I walk if we don't get Michael Irvin" ? Lame.
    Wow, go ahead and compile how many records Brad Johnson and company had.

    Season
    Team
    Passing
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    G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
    2007 Green Bay Packers 16 16 356 535 66.5 4,155 7.8 28 15 15 93 95.7 29 12 0.4 0 9 3
    2006 Green Bay Packers 16 16 343 613 56.0 3,885 6.3 18 18 21 134 72.7 23 29 1.3 1 8 5
    2005 Green Bay Packers 16 16 372 607 61.3 3,881 6.4 20 29 24 170 70.9 18 62 3.4 0 10 7
    2004 Green Bay Packers 16 16 346 540 64.1 4,088 7.6 30 17 12 93 92.4 16 36 2.3 0 4 1
    2003 Green Bay Packers 16 16 308 471 65.4 3,361 7.1 32 21 19 137 90.4 18 15 0.8 0 5 2
    2002 Green Bay Packers 16 16 341 551 61.9 3,658 6.6 27 16 26 188 85.6 25 73 2.9 0 10 4
    2001 Green Bay Packers 16 16 314 510 61.6 3,921 7.7 32 15 22 151 94.1 38 56 1.5 1 16 6
    2000 Green Bay Packers 16 16 338 580 58.3 3,812 6.6 20 16 33 236 78.0 27 108 4.0 0 9 5
    1999 Green Bay Packers 16 16 341 595 57.3 4,091 6.9 22 23 35 223 74.7 28 142 5.1 0 9 4
    1998 Green Bay Packers 16 16 347 551 63.0 4,212 7.6 31 23 38 223 87.8 40 133 3.3 1 8 2
    1997 Green Bay Packers 16 16 304 513 59.3 3,867 7.5 35 16 25 176 92.6 58 187 3.2 1 7 4
    1996 Green Bay Packers 16 16 325 543 59.9 3,899 7.2 39 13 40 241 95.8 49 136 2.8 2 11 4
    1995 Green Bay Packers 16 16 359 570 63.0 4,413 7.7 38 13 33 217 99.5 39 181 4.6 3 8 4
    1994 Green Bay Packers 16 16 363 582 62.4 3,882 6.7 33 14 31 188 90.7 42 202 4.8 2 7 3
    1993 Green Bay Packers 16 16 318 522 60.9 3,303 6.3 19 24 30 199 72.2 58 216 3.7 1 14 6
    1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 6.9 18 13 34 208 85.3 47 198 4.2 1 12 4
    1991 Atlanta Falcons 2 0 0 4 0.0 0 0.0 0 2 1 11 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
    TOTAL 5,377 8,758 61.4 61,655 7.0 442 288 439 2,888 85.7 555 1,786 3.2 13 147 64


    Brad Johnson

    Season
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    G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
    2007 Dallas Cowboys 16 0 7 11 63.6 79 7.2 0 0 1 9 85.0 5 -5 -1.0 0 -- --
    2006 Minnesota Vikings 15 14 270 439 61.5 2,750 6.3 9 15 29 200 72.0 29 82 2.8 1 9 4
    2005 Minnesota Vikings 15 9 184 294 62.6 1,885 6.4 12 4 23 134 88.9 18 53 2.9 0 5 3
    2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4 4 65 103 63.1 674 6.5 3 3 8 55 79.5 5 23 4.6 0 2 1
    2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 354 570 62.1 3,811 6.7 26 21 20 111 81.5 25 33 1.3 0 6 2
    2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 13 281 451 62.3 3,049 6.8 22 6 21 121 92.9 13 30 2.3 0 8 2
    2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 340 559 60.8 3,406 6.1 13 11 44 269 77.7 39 120 3.1 3 4 2
    2000 Washington Redskins 12 11 228 365 62.5 2,505 6.9 11 15 20 150 75.7 22 58 2.6 1 5 3
    1999 Washington Redskins 16 16 316 519 60.9 4,005 7.7 24 13 29 177 90.0 26 31 1.2 2 12 6
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 4 2 65 101 64.4 747 7.4 7 5 4 30 89.0 12 15 1.3 0 1 1
    1997 Minnesota Vikings 13 13 275 452 60.8 3,036 6.7 20 12 26 164 84.5 35 139 4.0 0 4 1
    1996 Minnesota Vikings 12 8 195 311 62.7 2,258 7.3 17 10 15 119 89.4 34 90 2.6 1 5 1
    1995 Minnesota Vikings 5 0 25 36 69.4 272 7.6 0 2 2 18 68.3 9 -9 -1.0 0 2 0
    1994 Minnesota Vikings 4 0 22 37 59.5 150 4.1 0 0 1 5 68.5 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- --
    1993 Minnesota Vikings 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
    1992 Minnesota Vikings 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
    TOTAL 2,627 4,248 61.8 28,627 6.7 164 117 243 1,562 83.1 274 658 2.4 8 63 26


    But no you're right comparing a bunch of mediocre QBs to Brett Favre is a great example of why he was such a "terrible" QB.
    Please, I know some of the Vikings fans don't like anybody that isn't currently playing for the Vikings, but it's just said that someone would try to compare Brad Johnson to Brett Favre.

    If Brett Favre didn't play football his way he probably wouldn't have been have the QB he was.
    Kind of like telling Fran Tarkenton, well I think he would have been a good QB if he didn't run so much.


    Was Brett Favre the best to ever play?
    Probably not, there's a couple guys I'd put ahead of him.
    Was he one of the top 5 to ever play?
    I would say yes, and to sit around and nit pick at a QB who broke so many records and made so much history is just dumb.
    Take off the Purple tinted wonder land glasses and acknowledge he was a great QB.
    He may have had some faults, but that doesn't mean we should sit around trying to convince people that makes him a bad QB.

    This announcer is still and idiot with nothing more than a grudge or some sort of look at me personality who wanted to tear Favre down to make himself look smart.
    Dude, spare me the wall of stats. Brett Favre Sucks. Everyone here knows that.
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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    Some points I would like to make at this juncture:

    a. Yes, Favre will un-retire and be back (and we are all fools for wasting time on him, and that includes me).
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    b. Maybe not on Green Bay (I heard Jets ?!)
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    c. Yes, the man is tough and gritty and all that
    d. Yes, he threw WAY too many picks and made bad decisions mostly
    e. One ring doesn't make you Johnny Unitas
    f. There are tons of QBs who were better, who had no ring (Archie Manning, Dan Fouts, Tarkenton, Marino [would you rather have Marino or Favre in the Super Bowl, on a critical drive ???).

    I maybe am the only one who didn't get "choked up" when Favre's dad died. Sorry. I was for the Raiders that night. Not that I don't think Favre was cool to play on that day. For once, he put team above Nr. 4. But I just can't root for the man.

    I still don't get what is so "special" about him. Yes, he is tough. But so are almost all NFL players. So he has stubble on his face (so do I). So he drives a lawn mower on his yard in the Bayou. So what ? He threw for zillions of yards. So did Jim Hart, but we are not falling over ourselves about him, or about guys like Ken Anderson (the Bengals QB who threw for like 10 billion yards). I just don't get it. Yes, Lambeau is kind of cool, but I just don't get this whole Favre mystique thing, and I don't think I ever will. There are some things in life which just defy explanations.

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    Re: ESPN Analyst tears into Favre

    His best years were 95/95.
    You think he would have improved upon that in the interception category, not gotten worse.

    Perhaps ol' Favre was just as much a product of good fortune as he was good skills.

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