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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    harvey will be off the board..i honestly dont think he will drop anywhere close to us..if we still have our first rounder come draft day, then i guess merling is the guy
    You're probably right.

    But if you look at most mock drafts and websites that rank defensive ends, most of them say Merling is better than Harvey. Not to mention they have him taken before Harvey in the upcoming in NFL Draft.

    And yes, I know it's just a mock, but I thought I'd point that out.
    It's hard to say that one is better than the other when they are really two different critters.
    Heck some of the web sites list Harvey as a OLB/DE best suited for a 3-4 type of offense were Merling is a guy that can initially play both DE positions in a base 4-3 as well as maybe move inside during specific 3rd and long types of scenariio.

    Derrick Harvey 6'4, 250 pund Florida 1A
    Phillip Merling 6'5, 270 pund Clemson 1B

    I would rather say that Merling is a good end who can play both positions wereas Harvey is more of a Edge rush end who can really get to the QB but might not be able to play every down.
    Harvey actually weighen in the 270's, only a few pounds under merling.
    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/de.html

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    Maybe they should trade down and try and get him a little later and pick up another 3rd or 4th and if they don't get him go for someone like Quentin Groves who can also play OLB although we play a 4-3 and he would benefit a 3-4 more...he still has decent speed to be a good pass rusher with some experience...

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    How about we pick neither... select Quinten Groves with the first pick.... then get Langford in the second... that way we're very set at D-Line period..

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    I have (like most of you) looked at a number of mock sites to get a feeling on who might be available when we pick at #17. The DE position is extreemly strong (at least on paper) and everyone has Long and Gholston being top 10 picks. After those 2 depending on which site your looking at, I have seen Harvery and Merling go anywher from being a top 10 pick to dropping as low as 24th. At this point, it appears to be a coin toss in terms of which one (if either) might drop to 17th but, if either one is available, I hope they run (dont walk) to the podium with the selection. My biggest fear is that they will both be gone, and truthfully I dont expect Harvery to get passed top 15 but, my original post was written in the hope that Merling's surgery would allow him to fall into our laps at 17.

    I love this time of year, all the speculation leading up to the draft creates a level of interest that is only exceeded by the start of the regular season. The difference being, this time of year, we can all pretend to have some kind of insite or expertize as to what we think is going to happen and what player decision would be in the best interest of the team. When draft day finally arrives, we get excited if our predictions come true, and we scream at the TV if they dont. Somehow, we think we know whats best for the team but, as soon as the season begins, reality takes over and we remember....we are just passionate fans of the game and our focuss changes to the outcome on sunday.

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    Schrager has the Vikes taking Harvey...works for me!

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7921384/Year-of-the-Receiver?-Eh,-not-quite

    Who here wouldn't mind still having Lance Johnstone's sack production back again?
    So what if Harvey doesn't play full time...the Vikes have plenty of other players that could handle first and second downs.

    What the Vikes need are MORE sacks and QB pressures...and it doesn't matter where it comes from...one person or by committee.
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "TimmyT" wrote:
    "olson_10" wrote:
    harvey will be off the board..i honestly dont think he will drop anywhere close to us..if we still have our first rounder come draft day, then i guess merling is the guy
    You're probably right.

    But if you look at most mock drafts and websites that rank defensive ends, most of them say Merling is better than Harvey. Not to mention they have him taken before Harvey in the upcoming in NFL Draft.

    And yes, I know it's just a mock, but I thought I'd point that out.
    It's hard to say that one is better than the other when they are really two different critters.
    Heck some of the web sites list Harvey as a OLB/DE best suited for a 3-4 type of offense were Merling is a guy that can initially play both DE positions in a base 4-3 as well as maybe move inside during specific 3rd and long types of scenariio.

    Derrick Harvey 6'4, 250 pund Florida 1A
    Phillip Merling 6'5, 270 pund Clemson 1B

    I would rather say that Merling is a good end who can play both positions wereas Harvey is more of a Edge rush end who can really get to the QB but might not be able to play every down.
    Harvey actually weighen in the 270's, only a few pounds under merling.
    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/de.html
    Depends on what site you go to.

    http://www.draftday.dk/?q=node/8809 250
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_ID=1308 262
    http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_...ick-Harvey.htm260

    At 6'4 he can't add to much more wieght on his fram with out impacting his knees wereas Merling or Campbell have a bigger frame and should/could add more wieght without slowing down or getting injuries.
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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "TimmyT" wrote:
    "olson_10" wrote:
    harvey will be off the board..i honestly dont think he will drop anywhere close to us..if we still have our first rounder come draft day, then i guess merling is the guy
    You're probably right.

    But if you look at most mock drafts and websites that rank defensive ends, most of them say Merling is better than Harvey. Not to mention they have him taken before Harvey in the upcoming in NFL Draft.

    And yes, I know it's just a mock, but I thought I'd point that out.
    It's hard to say that one is better than the other when they are really two different critters.
    Heck some of the web sites list Harvey as a OLB/DE best suited for a 3-4 type of offense were Merling is a guy that can initially play both DE positions in a base 4-3 as well as maybe move inside during specific 3rd and long types of scenariio.

    Derrick Harvey 6'4, 250 pund Florida 1A
    Phillip Merling 6'5, 270 pund Clemson 1B

    I would rather say that Merling is a good end who can play both positions wereas Harvey is more of a Edge rush end who can really get to the QB but might not be able to play every down.
    Harvey actually weighen in the 270's, only a few pounds under merling.
    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/de.html
    Depends on what site you go to.

    http://www.draftday.dk/?q=node/8809 250
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_ID=1308 262
    http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_...ick-Harvey.htm260

    At 6'4 he can't add to much more wieght on his fram with out impacting his knees wereas Merling or Campbell have a bigger frame and should/could add more wieght without slowing down or getting injuries.
    that's what he weighed in at the combine

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    Merling isn't the greatest at any one thing, but possibly the best all around DE in the draft.
    I saw somebody on NFLN talking about him saying he actually was the best DE in the draft "at the point of attack", ie. when they run right at him-at least those are the highlights they showed.
    I've also seen him projected as a potential DT, with a bit more weight.

    Harvey has bulked up a bit, to 271, and does have experience at LDE...so he could also be an option, and perhaps, a better rusher, but more likely to get eaten up by big RTs on running downs.
    His upside may be there's a chance he could play some short coverage too...perhaps freeing up a (rotating?) LB to blitz.

    Sad thing is, both could be gone by 17.
    The big bad mofos who are fast too always go early.
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

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    Schrager has the Vikes taking Harvey...works for me!

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7921384/Year-of-the-Receiver?-Eh,-not-quite

    Who here wouldn't mind still having Lance Johnstone's sack production back again?
    So what if Harvey doesn't play full time...the Vikes have plenty of other players that could handle first and second downs.

    What the Vikes need are MORE sacks and QB pressures...and it doesn't matter where it comes from...one person or by committee.
    Very nice post my friend.
    Infact if that is what happens, I would suspect that Spielman will also take another DE in the later rounds to shore up the LDE position.

    Its not like we don't have some picks this year to take a few chances on getting it right finally.
    ;D

    (On a side note - I think we got it right last year with Robison at RDE).
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    Re: Would you still take Merling with the 17th pick?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    Schrager has the Vikes taking Harvey...works for me!

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7921384/Year-of-the-Receiver?-Eh,-not-quite

    Who here wouldn't mind still having Lance Johnstone's sack production back again?
    So what if Harvey doesn't play full time...the Vikes have plenty of other players that could handle first and second downs.

    What the Vikes need are MORE sacks and QB pressures...and it doesn't matter where it comes from...one person or by committee.
    Very nice post my friend.
    Infact if that is what happens, I would suspect that Spielman will also take another DE in the later rounds to shore up the LDE position.

    Its not like we don't have some picks this year to take a few chances on getting it right finally.
    ;D

    (On a side note - I think we got it right last year with Robison at RDE).
    I doubt it... Ray edwards is 6'5 268 and robison is 6'3 267lbs... both of which are adequately capable of playing RDE or LDE... i don't think it really matters as long as we get a pass rusher...

    that's also what we have Lb's for when it comes to run blocking.... both of those guys are the same size as Strahan and Osi and Mathis and Freeny.. both of which are probably the best DE tandems in the league...

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