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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    Even with Dante hurt there is no way we should give up more for a guy in his last year of a contract who has never solidly started much less been to the Probowl. Trading down to get a QB in the 1st would give up alot of talent we need to cover backups and holes. I'm still fairly sold on Jacobs being a great project QB to work with till Johnson retires. I think Sims looks to be the guy we need at 17, Greenway had a horrid combine only lifting I think 15 times and a 4.75 40. He played really well though at Iowa and maybe that was an off day. If EJ and Thomas can't step up and Harris falls on his face again. That leaves Leeber, Rod Davis, Heath Farwell out there to start and then we have no backups. We need at least one great linebacker from the draft beyond the QB, O-line, and CB backup needs.

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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    If we trade down in the first to let's say the niners pick for a 1st and 2rd or even a first and second and third...

    we would still have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd..

    So I would take that over getting Shaub.. We would get a future QB.. And still have a first, 2nd, and 3rd..

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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    "Vikez4Lyfe" wrote:
    If we trade down in the first to let's say the niners pick for a 1st and 2rd or even a first and second and third...

    we would still have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd..

    So I would take that over getting Shaub.. We would get a future QB.. And still have a first, 2nd, and 3rd..
    No we wouldn't. We only have one 1st round pick. :wink:

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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    Did you just say Ben Rottenburger was a light hitter? The Ben that just won the superbowl?

    Seriously?

    Seriously????????????????????????????

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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    I guess I am lost on the meaning of the this post. Is he trying to say that linebackers from the 1st round have a better track record?

    If that is his point he pretty much failed!


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    Lofa Tatupu, Odell Thurman taken in the 2nd round had just as good or better seasons as anyone taken in the 1st round.
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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    ( http://nfl.com/draft/story/9359474 )
    [size=24px]History, depth could keep Hawk out of top five[/size]

    (April 5, 2006) -- The NFL draft is getting closer, and there are teams that spend a lot of time on the history of where certain position players are selected.

    We regularly hear about the "elite" positions like quarterback, pass-rushing defensive ends, cover corners, defensive tackles with rare size/speed ratios, and offensive left tackles. The great ones at these positions get gobbled up quickly year in and year out. When multiple players end up the evaluation process with the same numerical grades, the position they play usually is the deciding factor.

    With that in mind, this draft has the terrific Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk in the top 10 on every draft board. In fact, former Cleveland Browns head coach Butch Davis lists him as his top defensive player in the draft, which makes him a top-five player. The consensus opinion of the NFL personnel people and coaches I have spoken with is Hawk is about No. 5 or No. 6 on most draft boards at this early stage of "stacking" the draft board.

    Now the draft historians take a look at the success rate of taking a linebacker in the top of the draft. Linebackers have a checkered past in the draft.

    I went back as far as 1990 to look at the NFL draft patterns for all linebackers in the first round to see if there is a case to take Hawk as high as fifth in the draft, or is closer to 10th -- the comfort level people who study these patterns would like to see. (I eliminated the 'tweeners who became defensive ends; even though they were listed as linebackers, they were drafted to put their hand on the ground and rush the passer.)

    There were some interesting patterns over the past 16 years that will be discussed in war rooms around the league.

    Since 1990, there have been only 39 outside linebackers drafted in the first round, and only 15 inside/middle linebackers to hear their name called in the opening round. Let's take it a step further and look at how many of those 54 linebackers were drafted in the top 10 picks. Only eight outside linebackers and six inside/middle linebackers were top-10 selections since 1990. That's less than one per year.

    With Hawk up near the top of the board, I drilled down to see how many linebackers have been selected in the top five picks.

    Now the numbers are down to seven outside 'backers and only two inside guys. That's nine linebackers in the top five over the past 16 years. The average draft position in the first round for all linebackers is the 15th or 16th spot. The linebackers of note who have been picked late in the first round are Derrick Brooks (No. 28 in 1995), Ray Lewis (No. 26 in 1996) and Al Wilson (No. 31 in 1999), which looks as good or even better than the group drafted in the top five.

    NFL LINEBACKERS PICKED WITH A TOP FIVE PICK
    1990 Junior Seau
    1991 Mike Croel
    1992 Quentin Coryatt
    1993 Marvin Jones
    1994 Willie McGinest, Trev Albert
    1995 None
    1996 Kevin Hardy
    1997 Peter Boulware
    1998 None
    1999 None
    2000 LaVar Arrington
    2001 None
    2002 None
    2003 None
    2004 None
    2005 None

    As you can see, the pattern of drafting linebackers in the top five picks has really dropped off, so it will be difficult for Hawk to reverse this trend even though he deserves to be recognized as a top player in this draft. Hawk has 368 career tackles, 37 tackles for a loss and 14½ sacks (9½ in 2005).

    The depth at the linebacker position, which I believe is the deepest of all the defensive positions, could be another factor that could work against Hawk. Ernie Sims, Chad Greenway, DeMeco Ryans, Bobby Carpenter, Manny Lawson, Kamerion Wimbley and Thomas Howard among others who easily could be options for a team if it decides to select at another position early in the first round with thoughts of coming back in the early second round.
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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    Rothlisberger = light hitter? Uh...... yeah, okay.

    Some telling info there, but that's about it.

    As far as trading for Shaub goes; with the way the market has turned, players are just not worth what they once were; I don't see a 1st and ANYTHING going for a player whose contract expires in one year...


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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    "Del Rio" wrote:
    Did you just say Ben Rottenburger was a light hitter? The Ben that just won the superbowl?

    Seriously?

    Seriously????????????????????????????
    I WILL say that he's not any better than Trent Dilfer was in 2000! :lol:
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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "Del Rio" wrote:
    Did you just say Ben Rottenburger was a light hitter? The Ben that just won the superbowl?

    Seriously?

    Seriously????????????????????????????
    I WILL say that he's not any better than Trent Dilfer was in 2000! :lol:
    Really?

    I think Ben put his team in a position to win.

    Dlifer did not have to; the Defense put him in a position to win.

    I think you are clouded because you hate him.

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    Re: Why we shouldn't draft a QB in the 1st...

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "Del Rio" wrote:
    Did you just say Ben Rottenburger was a light hitter? The Ben that just won the superbowl?

    Seriously?

    Seriously????????????????????????????
    I WILL say that he's not any better than Trent Dilfer was in 2000! :lol:
    I guess you are right if you think:

    Trents 1502 yards are = to Bens 2385 yards

    Trents 59.3%comp is = to Bens 62.7%

    Trents 12 Td's are = to Bens 17 Td's

    Trents 11 INT's are = to Bens 9

    Or if

    Trents 76.6 QB rating is = to Bens 98.6 rating


    If you belive in all that then yes I guess I would have to agree with you when you say that he's not any better than Trent Dilfer was in 2000

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