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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

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    I actually thought Hackett would be a good fit in this scheme if we didn't land Berrian.

    Nice point aaeyers on cost vs Ferg.
    I would way rather have Berrian so I'm glad we got him....but why not both?

    as for the cost vs Ferg.....We still have not signed Ferg so there must be some negotiations still going on and if no one is even setting up a meeting with Hackett then wouldnt he sign for a cheap price? Im guessing that the closer to training camp we get the less he will be offered.

    I would rather have Hackett than Ferg.....not a big fan of Ex-Packers....Except Sharper
    ;D
    I agree thats why I liked aaeyers point.
    I hadn't though about getting Hackett instead of Ferg.

    As you pointed out, seems that because of a lack of interest by other teams, maybe he could be got at alot lower price than I originally thought.
    Hard to tell at this point.


    If he continues to see very little interest he might just be a pretty cheap addition.
    I'm not sure about aaeyers point!!.. ESPN did an analysis of hackett vs Berrian and Hackett's production was actually better than Berrian's in ALL aspects... I think hackett is actually the better receiver and would be better served in our system vs Berrian...

    I'm not sure why teams aren't looking at him, but imo.. he's better than 3 of the 4 recievers and would instantly upgrade our passing game to where we probably don't need to draft another receiver... I honestly don't think Berrian is the that option.. i hope i'm wrong...

    this is an insider link but hopefully it'll work..

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3277748

    here's an excerpt from the article

    D.J. Hackett, WR: Hackett actually is still unsigned, so technically, he doesn't count as an underrated signing. But frankly, I am amazed some team hasn't snagged him. According to my estimations, Hackett is the second-best free-agent wide receiver on the market this offseason. I actually had him ranked in front of Berrian after doing a study of their YPA productivity over the past three years.

    If you don't believe Hackett is better than Berrian, take a look at their total YPAs during this time:

    Hackett vs. Berrian
    Receiver Route Depth Att Comp Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
    Hackett Total 148 105 1,394 9 4 7 141 9.9
    Berrian Total 236 135 1,972 11 14 4 115 8.7

    Hackett played only six regular-season games in 2007, while Berrian started 15 games and played all 16. Despite this big difference in games played, Berrian still totaled only 552 more yards over the past three years.

    Hackett didn't top Berrian in only overall YPA. Check out their individual route depth totals:

    Receiver Route Depth Att Comp Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
    Hackett Short 94 72 635 1 2 2 13 6.8
    Berrian Short 105 76 640 3 4 0 0 6.1

    Hackett Medium 31 23 444 4 1 0 0 14.3
    Berrian Medium 72 44 713 1 2 1 19 10.0

    Hackett Deep/Bomb 23 10 315 4 1 5 128 15.8
    Berrian Deep/Bomb 59 15 619 7 8 3 96 11.5

    Hackett topped Berrian in YPA at every depth level and was nearly as productive overall -- even with the 10 games missed this past year. Playing in Seattle's pass-happy system certainly helped Hackett, but a 9.9 overall YPA is quite impressive, no matter the circumstances. Hackett has the highest upside of any free agent left on the market, regardless of position.


    in addition here's what it had to say about Berrian

    Overrated

    Bernard Berrian, WR, Vikings: The No. 1 rule of car shopping is to not fall in love with a particular car before going to the lot. Whenever this rule is not followed, it is almost assured the buyer will overpay for the car.

    That seems to be exactly what happened with the Vikings' pursuit of Berrian. Minnesota badly needs a vertical threat, and Berrian looked to be the second-best long pass receiving free-agent option behind Randy Moss.

    There is no argument Berrian is fast, but his vertical productivity has been next to nothing since early in the 2006 season. In the games from Week 6 of the 2006 campaign to the end of the 2007 season (a span of 27 contests), he had only 16 completions of 20-plus yards. That's an average of just more than three big plays every two games. Only five of those plays were actual deep/bomb passes. The other 11 were short/medium passes that he turned into long gains, so his ability to punish a defense on long passes was simply nonexistent in this time span. Minnesota paid a king's ransom for Berrian's vertical receiving potential, not his proven performance.
    Berrian was basically all they had in CHI....Hackett was not the go to guy and no one knew what he could do because he was injured most the year...so when he actually played - teams were not worried about double teaming him. Basically Hackett has never been a focus for defenses to stop....Berrian on the other hand has always been a guy that the defense looks to stop.

    With Rice, Wade and Allison playing with him...it will open up more one on one matchups for them as well.

    Its not really all about what Berrians #'s are going to look like, but more how the whole teams overall WR #'s look like at the end of the season.

    You will see Rice, Wade and Allison have more yards than last year. I will bet anyone on that.....even if they did all drop down a spot on the roster.


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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "IBleedPurple28" wrote:
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    I actually thought Hackett would be a good fit in this scheme if we didn't land Berrian.

    Nice point aaeyers on cost vs Ferg.
    I would way rather have Berrian so I'm glad we got him....but why not both?

    as for the cost vs Ferg.....We still have not signed Ferg so there must be some negotiations still going on and if no one is even setting up a meeting with Hackett then wouldnt he sign for a cheap price? Im guessing that the closer to training camp we get the less he will be offered.

    I would rather have Hackett than Ferg.....not a big fan of Ex-Packers....Except Sharper
    ;D
    I agree thats why I liked aaeyers point.
    I hadn't though about getting Hackett instead of Ferg.

    As you pointed out, seems that because of a lack of interest by other teams, maybe he could be got at alot lower price than I originally thought.
    Hard to tell at this point.


    If he continues to see very little interest he might just be a pretty cheap addition.
    I'm not sure about aaeyers point!!.. ESPN did an analysis of hackett vs Berrian and Hackett's production was actually better than Berrian's in ALL aspects... I think hackett is actually the better receiver and would be better served in our system vs Berrian...

    I'm not sure why teams aren't looking at him, but imo.. he's better than 3 of the 4 recievers and would instantly upgrade our passing game to where we probably don't need to draft another receiver... I honestly don't think Berrian is the that option.. i hope i'm wrong...

    this is an insider link but hopefully it'll work..

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3277748

    here's an excerpt from the article

    D.J. Hackett, WR: Hackett actually is still unsigned, so technically, he doesn't count as an underrated signing. But frankly, I am amazed some team hasn't snagged him. According to my estimations, Hackett is the second-best free-agent wide receiver on the market this offseason. I actually had him ranked in front of Berrian after doing a study of their YPA productivity over the past three years.

    If you don't believe Hackett is better than Berrian, take a look at their total YPAs during this time:

    Hackett vs. Berrian
    Receiver Route Depth Att Comp Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
    Hackett Total 148 105 1,394 9 4 7 141 9.9
    Berrian Total 236 135 1,972 11 14 4 115 8.7

    Hackett played only six regular-season games in 2007, while Berrian started 15 games and played all 16. Despite this big difference in games played, Berrian still totaled only 552 more yards over the past three years.

    Hackett didn't top Berrian in only overall YPA. Check out their individual route depth totals:

    Receiver Route Depth Att Comp Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
    Hackett Short 94 72 635 1 2 2 13 6.8
    Berrian Short 105 76 640 3 4 0 0 6.1

    Hackett Medium 31 23 444 4 1 0 0 14.3
    Berrian Medium 72 44 713 1 2 1 19 10.0

    Hackett Deep/Bomb 23 10 315 4 1 5 128 15.8
    Berrian Deep/Bomb 59 15 619 7 8 3 96 11.5

    Hackett topped Berrian in YPA at every depth level and was nearly as productive overall -- even with the 10 games missed this past year. Playing in Seattle's pass-happy system certainly helped Hackett, but a 9.9 overall YPA is quite impressive, no matter the circumstances. Hackett has the highest upside of any free agent left on the market, regardless of position.


    in addition here's what it had to say about Berrian

    Overrated

    Bernard Berrian, WR, Vikings: The No. 1 rule of car shopping is to not fall in love with a particular car before going to the lot. Whenever this rule is not followed, it is almost assured the buyer will overpay for the car.

    That seems to be exactly what happened with the Vikings' pursuit of Berrian. Minnesota badly needs a vertical threat, and Berrian looked to be the second-best long pass receiving free-agent option behind Randy Moss.

    There is no argument Berrian is fast, but his vertical productivity has been next to nothing since early in the 2006 season. In the games from Week 6 of the 2006 campaign to the end of the 2007 season (a span of 27 contests), he had only 16 completions of 20-plus yards. That's an average of just more than three big plays every two games. Only five of those plays were actual deep/bomb passes. The other 11 were short/medium passes that he turned into long gains, so his ability to punish a defense on long passes was simply nonexistent in this time span. Minnesota paid a king's ransom for Berrian's vertical receiving potential, not his proven performance.
    Very nice post my friend.


    Again, I liked the idea of bringing in Hackett but for some reason the teams that really need WR's don't see it my way.


    With that said, I guess my biggest concern/question is why are shying away from him?
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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

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    Is there a reason we don't go 4 wide when teams start loading the box?
    I mean wouldn't that prevent the 8 man fronts?
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    Thats a very good theory that I believe would work.
    Not sure why we don't see more of it.
    It's what teams do to us. I gues snow that our WR core is a bit strong, teams will have to respect us.

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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "IBleedPurple28" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    I actually thought Hackett would be a good fit in this scheme if we didn't land Berrian.

    Nice point aaeyers on cost vs Ferg.
    I would way rather have Berrian so I'm glad we got him....but why not both?

    as for the cost vs Ferg.....We still have not signed Ferg so there must be some negotiations still going on and if no one is even setting up a meeting with Hackett then wouldnt he sign for a cheap price? Im guessing that the closer to training camp we get the less he will be offered.

    I would rather have Hackett than Ferg.....not a big fan of Ex-Packers....Except Sharper
    ;D
    I agree thats why I liked aaeyers point.
    I hadn't though about getting Hackett instead of Ferg.

    As you pointed out, seems that because of a lack of interest by other teams, maybe he could be got at alot lower price than I originally thought.
    Hard to tell at this point.


    If he continues to see very little interest he might just be a pretty cheap addition.
    I'm not sure about aaeyers point!!.. ESPN did an analysis of hackett vs Berrian and Hackett's production was actually better than Berrian's in ALL aspects... I think hackett is actually the better receiver and would be better served in our system vs Berrian...

    I'm not sure why teams aren't looking at him, but imo.. he's better than 3 of the 4 recievers and would instantly upgrade our passing game to where we probably don't need to draft another receiver... I honestly don't think Berrian is the that option.. i hope i'm wrong...

    this is an insider link but hopefully it'll work..

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=3277748

    here's an excerpt from the article

    D.J. Hackett, WR: Hackett actually is still unsigned, so technically, he doesn't count as an underrated signing. But frankly, I am amazed some team hasn't snagged him. According to my estimations, Hackett is the second-best free-agent wide receiver on the market this offseason. I actually had him ranked in front of Berrian after doing a study of their YPA productivity over the past three years.

    If you don't believe Hackett is better than Berrian, take a look at their total YPAs during this time:

    Hackett vs. Berrian
    Receiver Route Depth Att Comp Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
    Hackett Total 148 105 1,394 9 4 7 141 9.9
    Berrian Total 236 135 1,972 11 14 4 115 8.7

    Hackett played only six regular-season games in 2007, while Berrian started 15 games and played all 16. Despite this big difference in games played, Berrian still totaled only 552 more yards over the past three years.

    Hackett didn't top Berrian in only overall YPA. Check out their individual route depth totals:

    Receiver Route Depth Att Comp Yds TD Int Pen Pen Yds YPA
    Hackett Short 94 72 635 1 2 2 13 6.8
    Berrian Short 105 76 640 3 4 0 0 6.1

    Hackett Medium 31 23 444 4 1 0 0 14.3
    Berrian Medium 72 44 713 1 2 1 19 10.0

    Hackett Deep/Bomb 23 10 315 4 1 5 128 15.8
    Berrian Deep/Bomb 59 15 619 7 8 3 96 11.5

    Hackett topped Berrian in YPA at every depth level and was nearly as productive overall -- even with the 10 games missed this past year. Playing in Seattle's pass-happy system certainly helped Hackett, but a 9.9 overall YPA is quite impressive, no matter the circumstances. Hackett has the highest upside of any free agent left on the market, regardless of position.


    in addition here's what it had to say about Berrian

    Overrated

    Bernard Berrian, WR, Vikings: The No. 1 rule of car shopping is to not fall in love with a particular car before going to the lot. Whenever this rule is not followed, it is almost assured the buyer will overpay for the car.

    That seems to be exactly what happened with the Vikings' pursuit of Berrian. Minnesota badly needs a vertical threat, and Berrian looked to be the second-best long pass receiving free-agent option behind Randy Moss.

    There is no argument Berrian is fast, but his vertical productivity has been next to nothing since early in the 2006 season. In the games from Week 6 of the 2006 campaign to the end of the 2007 season (a span of 27 contests), he had only 16 completions of 20-plus yards. That's an average of just more than three big plays every two games. Only five of those plays were actual deep/bomb passes. The other 11 were short/medium passes that he turned into long gains, so his ability to punish a defense on long passes was simply nonexistent in this time span. Minnesota paid a king's ransom for Berrian's vertical receiving potential, not his proven performance.
    Very nice post my friend.


    Again, I liked the idea of bringing in Hackett but for some reason the teams that really need WR's don't see it my way.


    With that said, I guess my biggest concern/question is why are shying away from him?
    I think it is the idea that BB can make the catch that will keep defenses honest. All you need is to show the defenses that BB can catch the long pass when asked. He really isn't on the team to become the next Moss. The star of the team is and will be AD. BB was just brought here to soften the loaded box. IMHO it will be worth the King's ransome if it opens the running game again. Everything BB does (vertical receptions that turn into TDs) is just icing on the cake.

    I personally think teams are shying away from Hackett because he is made of glass. He just can't show a team that they can count on him for a whole season. Heck, are the Bears even taking a look at him?

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    In just 6 games he had 3 TDs The only Vikings Receiver with more than 3 TDs for all of last season was Sidney Rice with 4.

    In just 6 games he had more receptions than anybody on our team had throughout the entire season except Bobby Wade.

    In just 6 games he had 384 yards... Fergy had 391 on the season, and Rice had 396 on the entire season.


    Granted they played for different teams and different standards in QB, but interesting none the less.

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    I agree Grape, there are a lot of different ways to look at the berrian signing, from his production and back down to what he signed for.
    the mainstram media sees that we paid this guy a lot of money (in a global sense) but the fact remains we had more money to spend and if he helps to open up our offense, receiving numbers aside, he will indeed be worth the "king's ransom".
    I understand that looking at his stats and wondering why that much money is easy to do, it just isn't that simple.
    It would be a huge bonus if he turns out to be a great WR and I think he has the skills to accomplish that.

    If Hackett cannot stay on the field, he would be of no use to us...or anybody I would presume.
    I wonder how much he's asking for??
    could be a number of reasons he's not signed, but i'm comfortable with our move.
    If we get him, as well, for a good value, then i would be up for that too.
    But no reason to stretch for him.

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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

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    In just 6 games he had 3 TDs The only Vikings Receiver with more than 3 TDs for all of last season was Sidney Rice with 4.

    In just 6 games he had more receptions than anybody on our team had throughout the entire season except Bobby Wade.

    In just 6 games he had 384 yards... Fergy had 391 on the season, and Rice had 396 on the entire season.


    Granted they played for different teams and different standards in QB, but interesting none the less.
    How many games did he end up playing all of the 07' season? I'm just asking because I really don't know. For some reason, however, I don't think he finished the season. Am I right? Heck those six game stats are great. But what happens after that? You need someone that you can pretty much count on to last the whole season.

    I understand what you are saying. Hear me out. We sign Hackett and he breaks out for six games. This in turn opens up defenses so AD can run crazy on them. After six games, however, he gets injured and is done for the season. What do you think defense are going to do now? Yup, they will stack the box again, because you no longer have that deep threat. If you have someone that catches the deep ball once in awhile, the defenses will always have to keep that in the back of their mind. We see them stacking the box, we send BB deep, and hopefully he makes the defense pay. Sooner than later, the defense will back out of loading the box. Other defense coordinatiors see this before they play us, and they will have to decide which poison to take. Sorry for the long post.

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    What makes it easier to agree to the "kings ransom", is that it isn't my $$$$. Heck if the Zigster gave me his check book.....

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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

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    In just 6 games he had 3 TDs The only Vikings Receiver with more than 3 TDs for all of last season was Sidney Rice with 4.

    In just 6 games he had more receptions than anybody on our team had throughout the entire season except Bobby Wade.

    In just 6 games he had 384 yards... Fergy had 391 on the season, and Rice had 396 on the entire season.


    Granted they played for different teams and different standards in QB, but interesting none the less.
    Above are the reasons that I started this topic. Good points!


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    Re: Why Not Bring In DJ Hackett??

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    In just 6 games he had 3 TDs The only Vikings Receiver with more than 3 TDs for all of last season was Sidney Rice with 4.

    In just 6 games he had more receptions than anybody on our team had throughout the entire season except Bobby Wade.

    In just 6 games he had 384 yards... Fergy had 391 on the season, and Rice had 396 on the entire season.


    Granted they played for different teams and different standards in QB, but interesting none the less.
    How many games did he end up playing all of the 07' season? I'm just asking because I really don't know. For some reason, however, I don't think he finished the season. Am I right? Heck those six game stats are great. But what happens after that? You need someone that you can pretty much count on to last the whole season.

    I understand what you are saying. Hear me out. We sign Hackett and he breaks out for six games. This in turn opens up defenses so AD can run crazy on them. After six games, however, he gets injured and is done for the season. What do you think defense are going to do now? Yup, they will stack the box again, because you no longer have that deep threat. If you have someone that catches the deep ball once in awhile, the defenses will always have to keep that in the back of their mind. We see them stacking the box, we send BB deep, and hopefully he makes the defense pay. Sooner than later, the defense will back out of loading the box. Other defense coordinatiors see this before they play us, and they will have to decide which poison to take. Sorry for the long post.
    he only played 6 games all season because he was injured...injuries happen...if we were worried about "injury prone players" then we would have never drafted Peterson.

    Just because he got injured last year does not mean he is going to get injured every other year.

    After six games, however, he gets injured and is done for the season.
    After six games, he continues his good play in the field and helps our team team win games...

    (Why do we always have to be negative and look at the bad side of things?)


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