Thread: Who gives us the best trade leverage?

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095039

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095024

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095020

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095018

I really think that us dropping out of the first round is worth more than a 2nd round pick. I mean to trade up 6th spot it will cost us a 2nd. To drop down 25+ spots should net us more than a 2nd. The 1st rounder next season isn't counted because we lose a 1st this season, so the net is only 1 2nd rounder. I am really against this unless we get a 3rd or 4th rounder as well.

I'd agree. Dropping out of the first for only a second is weak.

I agree a third or fourth should be added. You can't discount a likely high first rounder next year though.

There always seems to be a surprise drop in the draft. If we can accumulate extra picks without hurting ourselves too much do it. It does seem to be Spielman's modus operandi.

Its a terrible Gamble and here is why:
1) We have a top 15 pick.
2) We are hoping that the Browns have a better pick than the 12 pick next year.

Terrible gamble or not, there is a good chance a trade could happen. Spielman traded out of the first last year,(albeit a low pick), he loves to maneuver around the draft, and he seems to have talked to the Browns about dropping out this year.
So who may be there at twelve that would be coveted by teams behind us?

If Spielman drops out, I'll be pissed.

Spielman has shown he has not had a good track record for drafts, unless great players fall into his lap (Peterson, Greenway, Harvin, etc)

Trading back, we'd wind up with more mid-round picks that we'd probably trade for a punter, and a first rounder next year which, knowing our luck will probably be after #25.

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095060

If Spielman drops out, I'll be pissed.

Spielman has shown he has not had a good track record for drafts, unless great players fall into his lap (Peterson, Greenway, Harvin, etc)

Trading back, we'd wind up with more mid-round picks that we'd probably trade for a punter, and a first rounder next year which, knowing our luck will probably be after #25.

Exactly,
Why move around the draft board, if you have proven an inability to do more with lessor talent. He should be trading up each draft because anything less than a 2nd rounder ends up a bust (except DEs which might be cause of the other talent)

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095057

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095039

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095024

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095020

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095018

I really think that us dropping out of the first round is worth more than a 2nd round pick. I mean to trade up 6th spot it will cost us a 2nd. To drop down 25+ spots should net us more than a 2nd. The 1st rounder next season isn't counted because we lose a 1st this season, so the net is only 1 2nd rounder. I am really against this unless we get a 3rd or 4th rounder as well.

I'd agree. Dropping out of the first for only a second is weak.

I agree a third or fourth should be added. You can't discount a likely high first rounder next year though.

There always seems to be a surprise drop in the draft. If we can accumulate extra picks without hurting ourselves too much do it. It does seem to be Spielman's modus operandi.

Its a terrible Gamble and here is why:
1) We have a top 15 pick.
2) We are hoping that the Browns have a better pick than the 12 pick next year.

Terrible gamble or not, there is a good chance a trade could happen. Spielman traded out of the first last year,(albeit a low pick), he loves to maneuver around the draft, and he seems to have talked to the Browns about dropping out this year.
So who may be there at twelve that would be coveted by teams behind us?

If we need a QB and miss out on all of the other Qbs in this draft because of this move, i will find it very hard to be a Vikings fan. I mean, it's the most important position in sports and we treat it like we are looking for a punter.

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095063

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095057

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095039

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095024

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095020

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095018

I really think that us dropping out of the first round is worth more than a 2nd round pick. I mean to trade up 6th spot it will cost us a 2nd. To drop down 25+ spots should net us more than a 2nd. The 1st rounder next season isn't counted because we lose a 1st this season, so the net is only 1 2nd rounder. I am really against this unless we get a 3rd or 4th rounder as well.

I'd agree. Dropping out of the first for only a second is weak.

I agree a third or fourth should be added. You can't discount a likely high first rounder next year though.

There always seems to be a surprise drop in the draft. If we can accumulate extra picks without hurting ourselves too much do it. It does seem to be Spielman's modus operandi.

Its a terrible Gamble and here is why:
1) We have a top 15 pick.
2) We are hoping that the Browns have a better pick than the 12 pick next year.

Terrible gamble or not, there is a good chance a trade could happen. Spielman traded out of the first last year,(albeit a low pick), he loves to maneuver around the draft, and he seems to have talked to the Browns about dropping out this year.
So who may be there at twelve that would be coveted by teams behind us?

If we need a QB and miss out on all of the other Qbs in this draft because of this move, i will find it very hard to be a Vikings fan. I mean, it's the most important position in sports and we treat it like we are looking for a punter.

there is a chance we just slide back a few slots. I do not think much of the QB class this year anyway. They were considered a weak class until after the combine and pro days. They all vastly improved their standings when they did not have to play against a defense.

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095060

If Spielman drops out, I'll be pissed.

Spielman has shown he has not had a good track record for drafts, unless great players fall into his lap (Peterson, Greenway, Harvin, etc)

Trading back, we'd wind up with more mid-round picks that we'd probably trade for a punter, and a first rounder next year which, knowing our luck will probably be after #25.

What did Spielman have to do with the drafting of Greenway? Did Foley call him while he was in Miami and ask his opinion on the matter?

Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1095065

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095060

If Spielman drops out, I'll be pissed.

Spielman has shown he has not had a good track record for drafts, unless great players fall into his lap (Peterson, Greenway, Harvin, etc)

Trading back, we'd wind up with more mid-round picks that we'd probably trade for a punter, and a first rounder next year which, knowing our luck will probably be after #25.

What did Spielman have to do with the drafting of Greenway? Did Foley call him while he was in Miami and ask his opinion on the matter?

My bad, take greenway off the list, and the number of great players he's drafted falls to three.

AP, Harvin and Rice. The next best he had was in Miami, can't remember who but it was a DB. Marty made a thread about it a while back.

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095064

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095063

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095057

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095039

Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095024

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095020

Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1095018

I really think that us dropping out of the first round is worth more than a 2nd round pick. I mean to trade up 6th spot it will cost us a 2nd. To drop down 25+ spots should net us more than a 2nd. The 1st rounder next season isn't counted because we lose a 1st this season, so the net is only 1 2nd rounder. I am really against this unless we get a 3rd or 4th rounder as well.

I'd agree. Dropping out of the first for only a second is weak.

I agree a third or fourth should be added. You can't discount a likely high first rounder next year though.

There always seems to be a surprise drop in the draft. If we can accumulate extra picks without hurting ourselves too much do it. It does seem to be Spielman's modus operandi.

Its a terrible Gamble and here is why:
1) We have a top 15 pick.
2) We are hoping that the Browns have a better pick than the 12 pick next year.

Terrible gamble or not, there is a good chance a trade could happen. Spielman traded out of the first last year,(albeit a low pick), he loves to maneuver around the draft, and he seems to have talked to the Browns about dropping out this year.
So who may be there at twelve that would be coveted by teams behind us?

If we need a QB and miss out on all of the other Qbs in this draft because of this move, i will find it very hard to be a Vikings fan. I mean, it's the most important position in sports and we treat it like we are looking for a punter.

there is a chance we just slide back a few slots. I do not think much of the QB class this year anyway. They were considered a weak class until after the combine and pro days. They all vastly improved their standings when they did not have to play against a defense.

I for one feel that this class is deep. It has more talent than previous years but it is less refined.

Depending on who is there, I would much rather use the pick. I just have a feeling Spielman wants to work what he considers to be his special magic. Last year trading down and grabbing Cook looks like it may turn out to be a good move. Gerhardt I'm not sure yet.

all kinds of trade bait out there and we screw the pooch.