Thread: What about a OT in the first round?

"davike" wrote:

"MindFreak" wrote:

I like Cook, and Herrera did a great job after the bald bafoon realized he needed to have him in instead of Hicks. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have depth, or incase McKinnie sufficates from that inflated contract, but otherwise i want Phillips in the 1st no matter what it takes, he will be a beast, and we need a safety since Doss, Williams are FA, Smith has "Character Issues" (Although the investigation is still ongoing), and Sharper is getting long in the tooth

Yeah he is such a bufoon!! As are all the other coaches in the NFL who didn't start someone right away who blew up eventually. Look at that idiot Parcells, he should have started Romo a long time before he did!

Maybe I shouldn't pick on one statement, but that just made me laugh. If a person decides he doesn't like Childress, they will try to blame absolutely everything on him!

I'm sorry, i shouldn't say that, but i do hate Childress with a passion. I'll try to keep it to a minimum in here though.

"MindFreak" wrote:

"davike" wrote:

"MindFreak" wrote:

I like Cook, and Herrera did a great job after the bald bafoon realized he needed to have him in instead of Hicks. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have depth, or incase McKinnie sufficates from that inflated contract, but otherwise i want Phillips in the 1st no matter what it takes, he will be a beast, and we need a safety since Doss, Williams are FA, Smith has "Character Issues" (Although the investigation is still ongoing), and Sharper is getting long in the tooth

Yeah he is such a bufoon!! As are all the other coaches in the NFL who didn't start someone right away who blew up eventually. Look at that idiot Parcells, he should have started Romo a long time before he did!

Maybe I shouldn't pick on one statement, but that just made me laugh. If a person decides he doesn't like Childress, they will try to blame absolutely everything on him!

I'm sorry, i shouldn't say that, but i do hate Childress with a passion. I'll try to keep it to a minimum in here though.

Ha, you can dislike Childress all you want, you can hate AD if you want (that may be stretching it a bit ) this board wouldn't be any fun if we didn't have people with different opinions. But the major thing is that it doesn't cloud your judgement of that person concerning football There are a few of those that are around here to and you don't want to become one of those, lol.
;D They tend to blame absolutely everything and anything on him whether its his fault or not.

I probably shouldn't have jumped all over one little statement like that though.

Welcome to the site if I haven't said it already

"davike" wrote:

"MindFreak" wrote:

"davike" wrote:

"MindFreak" wrote:

I like Cook, and Herrera did a great job after the bald bafoon realized he needed to have him in instead of Hicks. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have depth, or incase McKinnie sufficates from that inflated contract, but otherwise i want Phillips in the 1st no matter what it takes, he will be a beast, and we need a safety since Doss, Williams are FA, Smith has "Character Issues" (Although the investigation is still ongoing), and Sharper is getting long in the tooth

Yeah he is such a bufoon!! As are all the other coaches in the NFL who didn't start someone right away who blew up eventually. Look at that idiot Parcells, he should have started Romo a long time before he did!

Maybe I shouldn't pick on one statement, but that just made me laugh. If a person decides he doesn't like Childress, they will try to blame absolutely everything on him!

I'm sorry, i shouldn't say that, but i do hate Childress with a passion. I'll try to keep it to a minimum in here though.

Ha, you can dislike Childress all you want, you can hate AD if you want (that may be stretching it a bit ) this board wouldn't be any fun if we didn't have people with different opinions. But the major thing is that it doesn't cloud your judgement of that person concerning football There are a few of those that are around here to and you don't want to become one of those, lol.
;D They tend to blame absolutely everything and anything on him whether its his fault or not.

I probably shouldn't have jumped all over one little statement like that though.

Welcome to the site if I haven't said it already

Thank you, i was referred here a while ago by one of the people that post on here, but forgot what i originally signed on as, and finally was fed up with the site i've been on for 2 years and decided to resign up here.
I'm a Tice guy, and am bitter about how he was let go, not being given a proper staff, and an owner that wouldn't spend a dime, much like Ebeneezer Pohlad. So i take it out on Childress, but i shouldn't.
I hope Childress can succeed, becuase that means my team wins, and that is more important than any personal feelings i have towards a person

"Garland" wrote:

There can be alot of argument as to where are weakness is most on Offense, WR, QB, TE, but our ROT to me seems like the logical place to go considering the handful of prospects that are considered 1st round to early second this year. I have to agree with alot of people that say ryan Cook is not the answer at RT. However I do think that he has a future at C, which is more of his natural position. So unless we pick up a FA(max Starks would be my choice), it seems like a solid choice to make.

Every site is different and i am sure that I will miss one but from what
I have read Jake Long is the clear cut #1 choice for a OT and mine to but
looking at everyone in no particular order

Jake Long-Michigan
Ryan Clady Boise St.
Jeff Otah-Pitt
Gosder Cherilus(I love the name)-BC
Anthony Collins-Kansas
Sam Baker-USC
Chris Williams-Vandy

Why would they spend two seasons training Cook to be a RT and then move him back to center?
From what I understand, Cook does not have desirable size for the center position, even though that was the position he played in college.
Maybe he would be better served as a center or guard though.
I guess that's why we have a coaching staff that decides this stuff for us.

Aside from the obvious that we should go for BPA I feel like my priorities is something along the lines of:

S, DE, OL, WR, (QB), CB, TE

"jkjuggalo" wrote:

"Garland" wrote:

There can be alot of argument as to where are weakness is most on Offense, WR, QB, TE, but our ROT to me seems like the logical place to go considering the handful of prospects that are considered 1st round to early second this year. I have to agree with alot of people that say ryan Cook is not the answer at RT. However I do think that he has a future at C, which is more of his natural position. So unless we pick up a FA(max Starks would be my choice), it seems like a solid choice to make.

Every site is different and i am sure that I will miss one but from what
I have read Jake Long is the clear cut #1 choice for a OT and mine to but
looking at everyone in no particular order

Jake Long-Michigan
Ryan Clady Boise St.
Jeff Otah-Pitt
Gosder Cherilus(I love the name)-BC
Anthony Collins-Kansas
Sam Baker-USC
Chris Williams-Vandy

Why would they spend two seasons training Cook to be a RT and then move him back to center?
From what I understand, Cook does not have desirable size for the center position, even though that was the position he played in college.
Maybe he would be better served as a center or guard though.
I guess that's why we have a coaching staff that decides this stuff for us.

Maybe cause our current center is only under contract through this year? Contract Information for Matt Birk




3/11/2006: Signed a restructured contract through 2008. 2008: $5.32 million (+ $400,000 roster bonus), 2009: Free Agent

I don't care when they do it whether the draft or FA, but the Vikings need to do something about the depth of their line at more than 1 position. There was a need to do it last year & they failed to bring a quality player in here. As it stands..........

R Tackle

Ryan Cook #62
Marcus Johnson #72

R Guard

Artis Hicks #79
Anthony Herrera #64

Center

Matt Birk #78

L Guard
Steve Hutchinson #76

L Tackle

Bryant McKinnie #74
Chase Johnson #75

Start looking at a possible injury at anyone of those starting positions & look what you have left to work with.

"Garland" wrote:

There can be alot of argument as to where are weakness is most on Offense, WR, QB, TE, but our ROT to me seems like the logical place to go considering the handful of prospects that are considered 1st round to early second this year. I have to agree with alot of people that say ryan Cook is not the answer at RT. However I do think that he has a future at C, which is more of his natural position. So unless we pick up a FA(max Starks would be my choice), it seems like a solid choice to make.

The Vikings have a perfectly good RT on the roster.

His name is Bryant McKinnie.

They need a better LT, however.

=Z=

"MindFreak" wrote:

"davike" wrote:

"MindFreak" wrote:

I like Cook, and Herrera did a great job after the bald bafoon realized he needed to have him in instead of Hicks. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have depth, or incase McKinnie sufficates from that inflated contract, but otherwise i want Phillips in the 1st no matter what it takes, he will be a beast, and we need a safety since Doss, Williams are FA, Smith has "Character Issues" (Although the investigation is still ongoing), and Sharper is getting long in the tooth

Yeah he is such a bufoon!! As are all the other coaches in the NFL who didn't start someone right away who blew up eventually. Look at that idiot Parcells, he should have started Romo a long time before he did!

Maybe I shouldn't pick on one statement, but that just made me laugh. If a person decides he doesn't like Childress, they will try to blame absolutely everything on him!

I'm sorry, i shouldn't say that, but i do hate Childress with a passion. I'll try to keep it to a minimum in here though.

You hate Childress?
Why?
Did he run over your dog, steal your girlfriend, leave a flaming bag of poop on your doorstep?

I really think the word "hate" is overused and really should be reserved for people with which you actually have a personal connection beyond them being a coach of a team for which you cheer.

=Z=

"Garland" wrote:

There can be alot of argument as to where are weakness is most on Offense, WR, QB, TE, but our ROT to me seems like the logical place to go considering the handful of prospects that are considered 1st round to early second this year. I have to agree with alot of people that say ryan Cook is not the answer at RT. However I do think that he has a future at C, which is more of his natural position. So unless we pick up a FA(max Starks would be my choice), it seems like a solid choice to make.

Every site is different and i am sure that I will miss one but from what
I have read Jake Long is the clear cut #1 choice for a OT and mine to but
looking at everyone in no particular order

Jake Long-Michigan
Ryan Clady Boise St.
Jeff Otah-Pitt
Gosder Cherilus(I love the name)-BC
Anthony Collins-Kansas
Sam Baker-USC
Chris Williams-Vandy

I don't quite agree with you on a couple of points.

a.
I think Cook is the answer at RT.
As with all the rookies and second year players, he was kindof in a trial by fire with probably (next to TJ) the steepest learning curve.
Did he have problems?
Hell yes and I would have expected them.
Were some of those compounded by QB play.
Sure.
Was there some that just came from bad line calls by the C.
Yes.

He will be fine and he will be at RT for alot of years barring injury.

b.
I don't think he is the heir to replace Birk at C.
He IMHO is way to tall.
the C is usually the guy responsible for clearing the primary passing lane.
If he doesn't quiet do that but still holds his guy the QB can still see over him if he isn't like 6'6".

c.
Anybody else drafted this year would go through the same learning curve that Cook is/has just went through.
What makes you think a guy picked at the 17th position would be able to just step right in and accomplish that.
I for one find it amazing that Joe (picked a heck of alot higher last year) did as well for the Browns as he did.

If anyone is picked by the Vikes for any position I anticipate them looking at a C (3rd/4th) first as a future replacement for Birk.
Then possibly a G/T swingman in a later round.