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    Omar could also work in a WCO, but he is used to play out of a shotgun formation. He does not take off and run as much as Young does, and works in the pocket more. But he has a sideways throwing motion that could be a problem in the NFL. He is going to go early in the second and we will have to move up to get him.


    Him and Vince are pretty simular actually.. If he fits it then so does Vince

    Don't want Croyle.. Injury prone..

    Don't think Whitehurst is a franchise QB

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    "Vikez4Lyfe" wrote:
    Omar could also work in a WCO, but he is used to play out of a shotgun formation. He does not take off and run as much as Young does, and works in the pocket more. But he has a sideways throwing motion that could be a problem in the NFL. He is going to go early in the second and we will have to move up to get him.


    Him and Vince are pretty simular actually.. If he fits it then so does Vince

    Don't want Croyle.. Injury prone..

    Don't think Whitehurst is a franchise QB

    Have to disagree:

    Omar does not run nearly as much as Vince does and he has not played all his snaps in the shotgun, as Vince has. Not saying he is perfect for a WCO, but he has a better chance than Young does of fitting into one. Young is a Vick type of QB and Omar is more of a Daunte type of QB! He can run, but he tries to pass first and then run, instead of running when his 1st receiver is covered like Vick.


    Omar rushed 40 times in 2005.

    Vince rushed 155 times in 2005.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Re: Vince Young

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "Vikez4Lyfe" wrote:
    Omar could also work in a WCO, but he is used to play out of a shotgun formation. He does not take off and run as much as Young does, and works in the pocket more. But he has a sideways throwing motion that could be a problem in the NFL. He is going to go early in the second and we will have to move up to get him.


    Him and Vince are pretty simular actually.. If he fits it then so does Vince

    Don't want Croyle.. Injury prone..

    Don't think Whitehurst is a franchise QB

    Have to disagree:

    Omar does not run nearly as much as Vince does and he has not played all his snaps in the shotgun, as Vince has. Not saying he is perfect for a WCO, but he has a better chance than Young does of fitting into one. Young is a Vick type of QB and Omar is more of a Daunte type of QB! He can run, but he tries to pass first and then run, instead of running when his 1st receiver is covered like Vick.


    Omar rushed 40 times in 2005.

    Vince rushed 155 times in 2005.
    I think Omar will be a decent quarterback, but his side arm throwing motion is no good. If he cant change his motion he will have a hard time throwing the ball over the defensive line.

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    Re: Vince Young

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "Vikez4Lyfe" wrote:
    Omar could also work in a WCO, but he is used to play out of a shotgun formation. He does not take off and run as much as Young does, and works in the pocket more. But he has a sideways throwing motion that could be a problem in the NFL. He is going to go early in the second and we will have to move up to get him.


    Him and Vince are pretty simular actually.. If he fits it then so does Vince

    Don't want Croyle.. Injury prone..

    Don't think Whitehurst is a franchise QB

    Have to disagree:

    Omar does not run nearly as much as Vince does and he has not played all his snaps in the shotgun, as Vince has. Not saying he is perfect for a WCO, but he has a better chance than Young does of fitting into one. Young is a Vick type of QB and Omar is more of a Daunte type of QB! He can run, but he tries to pass first and then run, instead of running when his 1st receiver is covered like Vick.


    Omar rushed 40 times in 2005.

    Vince rushed 155 times in 2005.
    It's thier style of offense of thier teams.. Otherwise they are very simular

    He didn't run nearly as much cuz it is EASY to pass in thier system and against the conference or something.. I heard that somewhere..

    And i'm pretty sure Vince could play in the shotgun just as well as Omar..

    And Vince wouldn't look to run first.. He would obviously look to pass first.. It was just so easy to run in college..

    And from what I hear Vince isn't good at his drop back so a shotgun would benifit him better anyway

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    Re: Vince Young

    For whatever reason ... I really don't want Vince Young as my quarterback of the future ... I think he will have an awful lot of pressure wherever he goes and I am not confident he can deal with it ... He did not feel that kind of pressure at Texas cause he was already the man ... I could be wrong ... and I hope I am because I like the kid ... but I would not invest my future into him.

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    Re: Vince Young

    "Vikez4Lyfe" wrote:
    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "Vikez4Lyfe" wrote:
    Omar could also work in a WCO, but he is used to play out of a shotgun formation. He does not take off and run as much as Young does, and works in the pocket more. But he has a sideways throwing motion that could be a problem in the NFL. He is going to go early in the second and we will have to move up to get him.


    Him and Vince are pretty simular actually.. If he fits it then so does Vince

    Don't want Croyle.. Injury prone..

    Don't think Whitehurst is a franchise QB


    Have to disagree:

    Omar does not run nearly as much as Vince does and he has not played all his snaps in the shotgun, as Vince has. Not saying he is perfect for a WCO, but he has a better chance than Young does of fitting into one. Young is a Vick type of QB and Omar is more of a Daunte type of QB! He can run, but he tries to pass first and then run, instead of running when his 1st receiver is covered like Vick.


    Omar rushed 40 times in 2005.

    Vince rushed 155 times in 2005.
    It's thier style of offense of thier teams.. Otherwise they are very simular

    He didn't run nearly as much cuz it is EASY to pass in thier system and against the conference or something.. I heard that somewhere..

    And i'm pretty sure Vince could play in the shotgun just as well as Omar..

    And Vince wouldn't look to run first.. He would obviously look to pass first.. It was just so easy to run in college..

    And from what I hear Vince isn't good at his drop back so a shotgun would benifit him better anyway


    We do not want a QB to play in a shotgun formation which is what Vince did 99% of the time at Texas, Omar ran some shotgun but not all the time like Vince.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Re: Vince Young

    I don't want Vince, he's like Culpepper but more inexperienced and having just gotten rid of 'Pepper, what would be the point of getting someone just like him? I'd much rather have Cutler (if not possible then LB)
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    Re: Vince Young

    I agree with Vikez4Lyfe regarding Omar Jacobs.

    If we can get him in the 2nd round I think it would be better than trading an arm and half our leg to get one of the other 3 QBs. What people forget about Leinart is, he had a heck of an OL with 2 great RBs. I'm not saying he's bad but he sure had the team around him to excel.

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    Re: Vince Young

    Here is a good scouting report on Vince Young that is pretty close to what I would say about him:



    Vince Young QB 6'5 229 Texas Jr.
    By: Robert Davis

    "Vince Young is one of the most explosive players in college football. He redshirted as a freshman in 2002, but has been a gamebreaker since that point. As a redshirt freshman in 2003, Young moved into the starting lineup half way through the year and led the Longhorns to a 6-1 record. He finished the season completing 60% of his passes for 1,155 yards, and six touchdowns to seven picks. Where his true presence was felt was as a rusher, where he ran for 998 yards and 11 touchdowns. He racked up every award a freshman can win, coming home with Big 12 Freshman of the Year, Newcomer of the Year, and Freshman All American honors. As a sophomore he again displayed his big play ability with 1,849 yards and 12 TD's through the air, and 1,079 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground. Young had an amazing junior season, finishing second in the Heisman race, while leading Texas to a national title. On the year he threw for 3,036 yards while completing over 65% of his passes, to go with 26 touchdowns and 10 picks. On the ground, Young topped the 1,000 yard mark, finishing with 1,050 yards and 12 touchdowns.

    There are not many explosive athletes at the QB position, but Young definitely is. He can beat you through the air or with his feet. Where he is truly special is with his legs. When plays break down, or on designed runs, Young has the speed and elusiveness to break a big run at anytime. With his athleticism, he could handle a position switch in the NFL if he has to go down that route. Young has made big strides as a passer, and is improving every game on his throwing ability. He has that special quality on the field of being able to make the big play when needed.

    For all his success on the field, it really has not come as a passer. Texas has simplified the playbook and not asked him a whole lot to beat teams through the air. Although he is improving, Young has a long way to go as a passer at the next level. His mechanics are inconsistent, which leads him to still sail or underthrow his receivers. He also tries to do too much at times through the air, forcing the ball into coverage too often. Young also tends to lock on to his receivers, which is something he will really need to work on at the next level.

    Young is a project, but a project that has major upside. His upside is as high as anyone in this draft, but he is also much riskier than any other top prospect. His lack of fundamentals as a passer will really hurt him. He needs to work on his mechanics and needs to learn the intricacies of the quarterback position at the next level. If someone is patient with him, they could have a big time playmaker on their hands. They have to be willing to give him time though."






    The big kicker for me would be "project". He is a project at the QB spot and it will be 3 years or so before he is ready. That isn't even factoring in the fact that the WCO is a tough tough offense to learn and not a good system for a QB that is concidered a project to be drafted into. We don't have the time it will take to develope Vince, with Brad Johnson at QB. Brad is good for this season at most and then we need a starter at QB. Vince isn't gonna be even close to ready to be a starter next season.

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    Re: Vince Young

    "ViKing24" wrote:
    That might be okay if they get him.
    however I think Cutler is the only QB in reach of the vikings
    ~ And Mel Kiper & John Clayton both agree that Cutler looks like he will be the better "NFL" QB of the 3.

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