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    Re: VikingTw's Season Analysis

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899240#msg899240 date=1232374465]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=50238.msg898777#msg898777 date=1232243810]
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=50238.msg898718#msg898718 date=1232224146]

    I wouldn't disagree with that of handcuffing some players and some egostistical attitude but I will say these are the schemes that Childress wants to run, and to fill the needs for the scheme we will continue to build through the draft and Free Agency, in the long run we will soon have all 53 players that fit what we do. It won't happen over night but certainly a process. So far that process has gone like this, 6-10, 8-8, to 10-6.
    That's the problem I see. The time it takes to get all 53 players that fit the scheme. By the time that processis in place, we will have lost some of those players to retirement, FA & disgruntled players that want out of MN before their contract is up. Brzezinski can make it happen if give the scenario.

    FA usually takes your best players & leaves you with lesser players. Sure you can lock some of them up, but when you have a 100 million dollar line & are paying players like K-will, Jared Allen & eventually AD big coin to keep them on the team, it'll be tough to keep the roster loaded with solid players.

    Who will we still have 3 years from now? AD becomes a FA in 3 years for one.

    Bryzinski (sp?) has done a great job for us so far & I know he will continue to do so, but sooner or later, our cap will become an issue.
    Again, I just don't buy into that mentallity.

    If this staff is doing thier job the right way, we will always have players that will step in for the "Stars" as they leave.


    I wonder how many of you thought we would never have a great DL when the Page's, Eller's of the world left.
    How about when Studwell left, or Browner, or Foreman etc etc etc......Seems to me there has always been a guy that comes in that makes you forget about those cats.

    We just need to make sure we have the right FO pukes in the VP of Player Personnel/Scouting/CAP depts so that we don't have to wait long for them.
    Only way to do that is to make sure we don't trade picks away for vets and we don't waste valuable CAP dollars on one or two players but can resign our best players.
    I agree with what you're saying in the cap era about 95% of the time.
    There are times when a key position is lacking, like MLB or QB where you may want to sign the vet and the rely on the pentagon of power to manage the team, Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him.
    I hack on him alot, but actually really like how he manages that facet.
    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    From what I understand he's a numbers guru more than a personnel guy. I'd be kind of scared to give our cap specialist final say over the roster.

    Not to take anything away from Rob though, it seems like we're right at the cap limit at the start of every season, then by the offseason we're usually among the top 10 in regards to cap space. The man knows the system, and the ways around it.
    [/quote]

    Nobody ever said the capmaster would get final say over the roster.
    Here's the quote, "...Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him."
    Meaning that if there is some deal they want to make if there is anyone in the NFL that can make it happen with X amount of dollars it is Brzezinski.
    [/quote]

    Are you calling Marrdro a nobody?

    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    He must have called you a sexy little pixie one too many times.
    [/quote]

    I don't think he ever has and I am heartbroken.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: VikingTw's Season Analysis

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=50238.msg899244#msg899244 date=1232374747]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899240#msg899240 date=1232374465]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=50238.msg898777#msg898777 date=1232243810]
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=50238.msg898718#msg898718 date=1232224146]

    I wouldn't disagree with that of handcuffing some players and some egostistical attitude but I will say these are the schemes that Childress wants to run, and to fill the needs for the scheme we will continue to build through the draft and Free Agency, in the long run we will soon have all 53 players that fit what we do. It won't happen over night but certainly a process. So far that process has gone like this, 6-10, 8-8, to 10-6.
    That's the problem I see. The time it takes to get all 53 players that fit the scheme. By the time that processis in place, we will have lost some of those players to retirement, FA & disgruntled players that want out of MN before their contract is up. Brzezinski can make it happen if give the scenario.

    FA usually takes your best players & leaves you with lesser players. Sure you can lock some of them up, but when you have a 100 million dollar line & are paying players like K-will, Jared Allen & eventually AD big coin to keep them on the team, it'll be tough to keep the roster loaded with solid players.

    Who will we still have 3 years from now? AD becomes a FA in 3 years for one.

    Bryzinski (sp?) has done a great job for us so far & I know he will continue to do so, but sooner or later, our cap will become an issue.
    Again, I just don't buy into that mentallity.

    If this staff is doing thier job the right way, we will always have players that will step in for the "Stars" as they leave.


    I wonder how many of you thought we would never have a great DL when the Page's, Eller's of the world left.
    How about when Studwell left, or Browner, or Foreman etc etc etc......Seems to me there has always been a guy that comes in that makes you forget about those cats.

    We just need to make sure we have the right FO pukes in the VP of Player Personnel/Scouting/CAP depts so that we don't have to wait long for them.
    Only way to do that is to make sure we don't trade picks away for vets and we don't waste valuable CAP dollars on one or two players but can resign our best players.
    I agree with what you're saying in the cap era about 95% of the time.
    There are times when a key position is lacking, like MLB or QB where you may want to sign the vet and the rely on the pentagon of power to manage the team, Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him.
    I hack on him alot, but actually really like how he manages that facet.
    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    From what I understand he's a numbers guru more than a personnel guy. I'd be kind of scared to give our cap specialist final say over the roster.

    Not to take anything away from Rob though, it seems like we're right at the cap limit at the start of every season, then by the offseason we're usually among the top 10 in regards to cap space. The man knows the system, and the ways around it.
    [/quote]

    Nobody ever said the capmaster would get final say over the roster.
    Here's the quote, "...Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him."
    Meaning that if there is some deal they want to make if there is anyone in the NFL that can make it happen with X amount of dollars it is Brzezinski.
    [/quote]

    Are you calling Marrdro a nobody?

    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    He must have called you a sexy little pixie one too many times.
    [/quote]

    I don't think he ever has and I am heartbroken.
    [/quote]

    Does it make you feel good to call him a 'nobody' after he broke your heart?

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    Re: VikingTw's Season Analysis

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899251#msg899251 date=1232375119]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=50238.msg899244#msg899244 date=1232374747]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899240#msg899240 date=1232374465]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=50238.msg898777#msg898777 date=1232243810]
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=50238.msg898718#msg898718 date=1232224146]

    I wouldn't disagree with that of handcuffing some players and some egostistical attitude but I will say these are the schemes that Childress wants to run, and to fill the needs for the scheme we will continue to build through the draft and Free Agency, in the long run we will soon have all 53 players that fit what we do. It won't happen over night but certainly a process. So far that process has gone like this, 6-10, 8-8, to 10-6.
    That's the problem I see. The time it takes to get all 53 players that fit the scheme. By the time that processis in place, we will have lost some of those players to retirement, FA & disgruntled players that want out of MN before their contract is up. Brzezinski can make it happen if give the scenario.

    FA usually takes your best players & leaves you with lesser players. Sure you can lock some of them up, but when you have a 100 million dollar line & are paying players like K-will, Jared Allen & eventually AD big coin to keep them on the team, it'll be tough to keep the roster loaded with solid players.

    Who will we still have 3 years from now? AD becomes a FA in 3 years for one.

    Bryzinski (sp?) has done a great job for us so far & I know he will continue to do so, but sooner or later, our cap will become an issue.
    Again, I just don't buy into that mentallity.

    If this staff is doing thier job the right way, we will always have players that will step in for the "Stars" as they leave.


    I wonder how many of you thought we would never have a great DL when the Page's, Eller's of the world left.
    How about when Studwell left, or Browner, or Foreman etc etc etc......Seems to me there has always been a guy that comes in that makes you forget about those cats.

    We just need to make sure we have the right FO pukes in the VP of Player Personnel/Scouting/CAP depts so that we don't have to wait long for them.
    Only way to do that is to make sure we don't trade picks away for vets and we don't waste valuable CAP dollars on one or two players but can resign our best players.
    I agree with what you're saying in the cap era about 95% of the time.
    There are times when a key position is lacking, like MLB or QB where you may want to sign the vet and the rely on the pentagon of power to manage the team, Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him.
    I hack on him alot, but actually really like how he manages that facet.
    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    From what I understand he's a numbers guru more than a personnel guy. I'd be kind of scared to give our cap specialist final say over the roster.

    Not to take anything away from Rob though, it seems like we're right at the cap limit at the start of every season, then by the offseason we're usually among the top 10 in regards to cap space. The man knows the system, and the ways around it.
    [/quote]

    Nobody ever said the capmaster would get final say over the roster.
    Here's the quote, "...Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him."
    Meaning that if there is some deal they want to make if there is anyone in the NFL that can make it happen with X amount of dollars it is Brzezinski.
    [/quote]

    Are you calling Marrdro a nobody?

    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    He must have called you a sexy little pixie one too many times.
    [/quote]

    I don't think he ever has and I am heartbroken.
    [/quote]

    Does it make you feel good to call him a 'nobody' after he broke your heart?
    [/quote]

    I'm sure I've called him worse names, so, it has no effect.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: VikingTw's Season Analysis

    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    [quote author=jessejames09 link=topic=50238.msg899426#msg899426 date=1232401817]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899251#msg899251 date=1232375119]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=50238.msg899244#msg899244 date=1232374747]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899240#msg899240 date=1232374465]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=50238.msg898777#msg898777 date=1232243810]
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=50238.msg898718#msg898718 date=1232224146]

    I wouldn't disagree with that of handcuffing some players and some egostistical attitude but I will say these are the schemes that Childress wants to run, and to fill the needs for the scheme we will continue to build through the draft and Free Agency, in the long run we will soon have all 53 players that fit what we do. It won't happen over night but certainly a process. So far that process has gone like this, 6-10, 8-8, to 10-6.
    That's the problem I see. The time it takes to get all 53 players that fit the scheme. By the time that processis in place, we will have lost some of those players to retirement, FA & disgruntled players that want out of MN before their contract is up. Brzezinski can make it happen if give the scenario.

    FA usually takes your best players & leaves you with lesser players. Sure you can lock some of them up, but when you have a 100 million dollar line & are paying players like K-will, Jared Allen & eventually AD big coin to keep them on the team, it'll be tough to keep the roster loaded with solid players.

    Who will we still have 3 years from now? AD becomes a FA in 3 years for one.

    Bryzinski (sp?) has done a great job for us so far & I know he will continue to do so, but sooner or later, our cap will become an issue.
    Again, I just don't buy into that mentallity.

    If this staff is doing thier job the right way, we will always have players that will step in for the "Stars" as they leave.


    I wonder how many of you thought we would never have a great DL when the Page's, Eller's of the world left.
    How about when Studwell left, or Browner, or Foreman etc etc etc......Seems to me there has always been a guy that comes in that makes you forget about those cats.

    We just need to make sure we have the right FO pukes in the VP of Player Personnel/Scouting/CAP depts so that we don't have to wait long for them.
    Only way to do that is to make sure we don't trade picks away for vets and we don't waste valuable CAP dollars on one or two players but can resign our best players.
    I agree with what you're saying in the cap era about 95% of the time.
    There are times when a key position is lacking, like MLB or QB where you may want to sign the vet and the rely on the pentagon of power to manage the team, Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him.
    I hack on him alot, but actually really like how he manages that facet.
    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    From what I understand he's a numbers guru more than a personnel guy. I'd be kind of scared to give our cap specialist final say over the roster.

    Not to take anything away from Rob though, it seems like we're right at the cap limit at the start of every season, then by the offseason we're usually among the top 10 in regards to cap space. The man knows the system, and the ways around it.
    [/quote]

    Nobody ever said the capmaster would get final say over the roster.
    Here's the quote, "...Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him."
    Meaning that if there is some deal they want to make if there is anyone in the NFL that can make it happen with X amount of dollars it is Brzezinski.
    [/quote]

    Are you calling Marrdro a nobody?

    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    He must have called you a sexy little pixie one too many times.
    [/quote]

    I don't think he ever has and I am heartbroken.
    [/quote]

    Does it make you feel good to call him a 'nobody' after he broke your heart?
    [/quote]

    I'm sure I've called him worse names,
    [/quote]

    Who do you think you are Wildwoman? (jk Marr
    :P)
    El underdog.

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    Re: VikingTw's Season Analysis

    "El" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=50238.msg899434#msg899434 date=1232402452]
    [quote author=jessejames09 link=topic=50238.msg899426#msg899426 date=1232401817]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899251#msg899251 date=1232375119]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=50238.msg899244#msg899244 date=1232374747]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=50238.msg899240#msg899240 date=1232374465]
    [quote author=singersp link=topic=50238.msg898777#msg898777 date=1232243810]
    [quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=50238.msg898718#msg898718 date=1232224146]

    I wouldn't disagree with that of handcuffing some players and some egostistical attitude but I will say these are the schemes that Childress wants to run, and to fill the needs for the scheme we will continue to build through the draft and Free Agency, in the long run we will soon have all 53 players that fit what we do. It won't happen over night but certainly a process. So far that process has gone like this, 6-10, 8-8, to 10-6.
    That's the problem I see. The time it takes to get all 53 players that fit the scheme. By the time that processis in place, we will have lost some of those players to retirement, FA & disgruntled players that want out of MN before their contract is up. Brzezinski can make it happen if give the scenario.

    FA usually takes your best players & leaves you with lesser players. Sure you can lock some of them up, but when you have a 100 million dollar line & are paying players like K-will, Jared Allen & eventually AD big coin to keep them on the team, it'll be tough to keep the roster loaded with solid players.

    Who will we still have 3 years from now? AD becomes a FA in 3 years for one.

    Bryzinski (sp?) has done a great job for us so far & I know he will continue to do so, but sooner or later, our cap will become an issue.
    Again, I just don't buy into that mentallity.

    If this staff is doing thier job the right way, we will always have players that will step in for the "Stars" as they leave.


    I wonder how many of you thought we would never have a great DL when the Page's, Eller's of the world left.
    How about when Studwell left, or Browner, or Foreman etc etc etc......Seems to me there has always been a guy that comes in that makes you forget about those cats.

    We just need to make sure we have the right FO pukes in the VP of Player Personnel/Scouting/CAP depts so that we don't have to wait long for them.
    Only way to do that is to make sure we don't trade picks away for vets and we don't waste valuable CAP dollars on one or two players but can resign our best players.
    I agree with what you're saying in the cap era about 95% of the time.
    There are times when a key position is lacking, like MLB or QB where you may want to sign the vet and the rely on the pentagon of power to manage the team, Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him.
    I hack on him alot, but actually really like how he manages that facet.
    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    From what I understand he's a numbers guru more than a personnel guy. I'd be kind of scared to give our cap specialist final say over the roster.

    Not to take anything away from Rob though, it seems like we're right at the cap limit at the start of every season, then by the offseason we're usually among the top 10 in regards to cap space. The man knows the system, and the ways around it.
    [/quote]

    Nobody ever said the capmaster would get final say over the roster.
    Here's the quote, "...Brzezinski can make a scenario happen if presented to him."
    Meaning that if there is some deal they want to make if there is anyone in the NFL that can make it happen with X amount of dollars it is Brzezinski.
    [/quote]

    Are you calling Marrdro a nobody?

    Makes me wonder why his name hasn't come up for one of the GM jobs.
    He must have called you a sexy little pixie one too many times.
    [/quote]

    I don't think he ever has and I am heartbroken.
    [/quote]

    Does it make you feel good to call him a 'nobody' after he broke your heart?
    [/quote]

    I'm sure I've called him worse names,
    [/quote]

    Who do you think you are Wildwoman? (jk Marr
    :P)

    [/quote]
    How in the hell did this get all off track?
    ;D
    ;D
    ;D

    As for this quote, this was brougth up once before when I said I was suprised he hasn't been considered for a GM job.

    From what I understand he's a numbers guru more than a personnel guy. I'd be kind of scared to give our cap specialist final say over the roster.
    One only needs to read his bio to know that he isn't just a CAP guru but has significant executive experience in running a Player Personnel department associated with a GM.

    Brzezinski has NFL management experience in nearly every area critical to operating a successful NFL franchise. He has worked as the top football executive responsible for all roster decisions in conjunction with the head coach, has experience running a player personnel department, and has researched, developed and implemented processes and technology for the efficient management of pro and college scouting, including the college draft. Brzezinski also has experience in managing the business operations of an NFL franchise and, while in Minnesota, has transformed a substantial salary cap deficit into a long-term competitive advantage. In 2006, Brzezinski played a significant role in the head coaching search and interview process that resulted in the hiring of Brad Childress, the first of 10 head coach hirings in the NFL that season.

    http://www.vikings.com/TeamFrontOffi...rzezinski.aspx
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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