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    Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

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    Frazier discusses what he’s looking for in a veteran quarterback

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/03/frazier-discusses-what-hes-looking-for-in-a-veteran-quarterback/

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    “Every guy doesn’t want to come in and mentor a young quarterback. Most want to come in and be the face of the franchise. We’re hoping that one of the young guys will be our leader for years to come,” Frazier said.
    Which is why the McNugget and Kolb talk is rubbish. If they bring in a vet they want a guy who is willing to hold a clipboard and play only if and when they are needed.That might mean they want him to compete to start on day one and if he wins he will play, but as soon as a young guy is ready to take over they get the nod and the vet gets the bench. Not many guys willing to do that.

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    BTW

    Isn't this now 3 Ponder threads?

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1096197
    BTW

    Isn't this now 3 Ponder threads?
    Nope. Not at all.

    This is about Vikings wanting to sign a veteran QB. A QB other than Ponder.

    The Ponder threads are about Ponder.

    The veteran QB is not necessarily McNabb & why this doesn't belong in that thread

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1096195
    “Every guy doesn’t want to come in and mentor a young quarterback. Most want to come in and be the face of the franchise. We’re hoping that one of the young guys will be our leader for years to come,” Frazier said.
    Which is why the McNugget and Kolb talk is rubbish. If they bring in a vet they want a guy who is willing to hold a clipboard and play only if and when they are needed.That might mean they want him to compete to start on day one and if he wins he will play, but as soon as a young guy is ready to take over they get the nod and the vet gets the bench. Not many guys willing to do that.
    Excellent post my friend.......

    Lets look at the QB's that are available and the criteria.

    a. They aren't going to want to trade for a guy. Be a waste of a pick IMHO so the Kolb/McNabb talk is out unless they are willing to wait for McNabb to be released outright by the Deadskins. The question then is, will McNabb and his Agent say yes to being a backup.

    b. Leaves us the following list of FA's.

    Peyton Manning (IND) - Not gonna happen
    Michael Vick (PHI) - Not gonna happen
    Seneca Wallace (CLE) - Interesting. He's been a backup for along time and can win if needed.
    Matt Hasselbeck (SEA) - Not gonna happen. Wants to be a starter.
    Matt Moore (CAR) - Interesting option. Not the proven vet most would want though.
    Alex Smith (SF) - Probably gonna stay with the 49rs.
    Matt Leinart (HOU) - BUST. Don't need him.
    Marc Bulger (BAL) - Will want to be a starter someplace.
    Todd Collins (CHI) - Interesting. Same catagory as Wallace.
    Caleb Hanie (CHI) - ??
    Brady Quinn (DEN) - BUST
    Drew Stanton (DET) - Same caliber as Bomar.
    Trent Edwards (JAC) - Same caliber as Bomar.
    Luke McCown (JAC) - Probably a bit better than Bomar.
    Brodie Croyle (KC) - Same caliber as Bomar.
    Chad Pennington (MIA) - Arm is gone.
    Tyler Thigpen (MIA) - Interesting option. Knows the system. Would want to be starter though.
    Tarvaris Jackson (MIN) - Everyone knows my opinion here. Probably a bad fit though as he will want to push for the starters job.
    Jim Sorgi (NYG) - Intersting option. Not a pure WCO QB though.
    Kellen Clemens (NYJ) - Same as Bomar/Thigpen.
    Kyle Boller (OAK) - Intersting option.
    Bruce Gradkowski (OAK) - Interesting option. Might want to push to be the starter.
    Dennis Dixon (PIT)- Interesting option
    Billy Volek (SD) - Interesting Option
    Troy Smith (SF) - He did come in for the 49'rs instead of Carr.
    Kerry Collins (TEN) - Probably gonna stay with the Titans but an interesting option.
    Rex Grossman (WAS) - Just say no.


    Long story short, I still think Bomar is the guy that could help "Teach" him the "Nuances" of being a pro. He is still under contract, and most importantly, knows how the Vikes organization runs.


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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1096213
    Tyler Thigpen (MIA) - Interesting option. Knows the system. Would want to be starter though.
    I'm sorry, in what was you do you think Thigpen knows the system? He was a Viking for all of four months.


    Billy Volek (SD) - Interesting Option
    The past few years I'd been real high on getting this guy as a backup. He's got a nice arm, good deep ball, and could help Ponder from a backup role, providing the security blanket if he's not ready.

    Long story short, I still think Bomar is the guy that could help "Teach" him the "Nuances" of being a pro. He is still under contract, and most importantly, knows how the Vikes organization runs.
    BOmar couldn't teach himself the 'Nuances' of being a pro, he's not ready to sculpt our top round pick.

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    I do think a vet qb would be a benefit for both Ponder and the Vikings. I would like to see Ponder have a spell on the sidelines learning the game rather than being chucked straight into the line of fire.

    This isn't the Rams or the Panthers who can chuck their rookie 1st round qb into the mix and hope for the best with zero expectations and anything is a bonus, this is the Vikings, a franchise who expects to win now, to quote Frazier.

    A year behind a vet would do Ponder and us a world of good, imho.

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    Quote Originally Posted by "Johnson14" #1096217
    I do think a vet qb would be a benefit for both Ponder and the Vikings. I would like to see Ponder have a spell on the sidelines learning the game rather than being chucked straight into the line of fire.

    This isn't the Rams or the Panthers who can chuck their rookie 1st round qb into the mix and hope for the best with zero expectations and anything is a bonus, this is the Vikings, a franchise who expects to win now, to quote Frazier.

    A year behind a vet would do Ponder and us a world of good, imho.
    Good point too. If Bradford played like crap, it would still be a step up.

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    We ended the year with Jackson and brett on IR and Joe Webb as the most experienced and best QB on the roster. How hard can it be to improve on that?

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    Re: Vikings want veteran to compete w/ Ponder

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1096215
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1096213
    Tyler Thigpen (MIA) - Interesting option. Knows the system. Would want to be starter though.
    I'm sorry, in what was you do you think Thigpen knows the system? He was a Viking for all of four months.
    Were in the hell do you come up with this stuff.

    Are you saying that he didn't grasp any of the WCO concepts in that 4 months?
    What Thigggy brings is WCO experience, not necessarily the Vikings brand.

    Truth of the matter is, the only other candidates that have more knowledge of the system are:

    Webb
    Ponder
    Bomar

    Rationale behind that is because they are the only ones our staff has talked to.

    Again, for this discussion, I am just looking for a cat who has experience in the scheme my friend.

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