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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "PurpleTide" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "PurpleTide" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    [/quote]

    Never heard of the third year rule when talking about wide-outs?

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "PurpleTide" wrote:
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52703.msg980870#msg980870 date=1249908078]
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    [/quote]

    Never heard of the third year rule when talking about wide-outs?

    [/quote]

    Yes... I've also heard that about coachs...

    and quarterbacks...

    and every other position...
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "C" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=PurpleTide link=topic=52703.msg980872#msg980872 date=1249909436]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52703.msg980870#msg980870 date=1249908078]
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    [/quote]

    Never heard of the third year rule when talking about wide-outs?

    [/quote]

    Yes... I've also heard that about coachs...

    and quarterbacks...

    and every other position...
    [/quote]

    Who could forget about the 2 year long-snapper hump...

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "PurpleTide" wrote:
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52703.msg980870#msg980870 date=1249908078]
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    [/quote]

    Never heard of the third year rule when talking about wide-outs?

    [/quote]

    I wasn't aware that was a rule?
    I thought it was somebody's random idea, that proved to be completely worthless once Troy Williamson lit up the league in his third season.
    Hows Allison's third season goign?
    O yeah... waived.

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=PurpleTide link=topic=52703.msg980872#msg980872 date=1249909436]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52703.msg980870#msg980870 date=1249908078]
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    [/quote]

    Never heard of the third year rule when talking about wide-outs?

    [/quote]

    I wasn't aware that was a rule?
    I thought it was somebody's random idea, that proved to be completely worthless once Troy Williamson lit up the league in his third season.
    Hows Allison's third season goign?
    O yeah... waived.
    [/quote]

    If you only look at those 2 players solely, there is no upside in WRs whatsoever, we should starting running a single-wing I guess.

    After 2 minutes of google I found this guy has a pretty good breakdown. (albeit a FF article)
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2009/testing-third-year-wr-rule

    I guess I shouldn't call it a rule, but it is a solid theory.

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52703.msg980874#msg980874 date=1249909936]
    [quote author=PurpleTide link=topic=52703.msg980872#msg980872 date=1249909436]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52703.msg980870#msg980870 date=1249908078]
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
    [/quote]

    Never heard of the third year rule when talking about wide-outs?

    [/quote]

    I wasn't aware that was a rule?
    I thought it was somebody's random idea, that proved to be completely worthless once Troy Williamson lit up the league in his third season.
    Hows Allison's third season goign?
    O yeah... waived.
    [/quote]

    If you only look at those 2 players solely, there is no upside in WRs whatsoever, we should starting running a single-wing I guess.

    After 2 minutes of google I found this guy has a pretty good breakdown. (albeit a FF article)
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2009/testing-third-year-wr-rule

    I guess I shouldn't call it a rule, but it is a solid theory.
    [/quote]

    theory, yes but you can't expect it to hold true for all receivers.
    Personally, I expect Rice will pick up his game this season, hwoever, I'm not comfortable going it with him as the second best option.

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    This mornings twitter from scoggins:

    "Sidney rice makes 1-handed catch in back of end zone from rosenfels on fourth down. Great effort." #stribvikesabout 1 hour ago from txt

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    Re: Vikings' Training Camp Battles: WR

    "C" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "PurpleTide" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    [quote author=BleedinPandG link=topic=52703.msg980868#msg980868 date=1249907485]
    While I agree Wade should be fitting for a Roster spot given his potential and some of the youth also on the squad... who do we really have left to groom our young receivers if we do cut him?
    Berrian would be the only real Vet with any significant playing time in his career on our squad... is that really what we want?
    no.
    IMO, cutting wade would be a MASSIVE mistake.
    Thats putting all your faith in Rice to get to the level we are hoping, and for Harvin, Jaymar and Darius to be instant contributers.
    Thats a tall order.

    I don't know if Wade will make the final cuts. I think right now the only locks at WR are Berrian, Rice, and Harvin. If we decide to keep 6 WR's Wade will be in the mix.

    Both Reynaud, and Harvin are slot recievers which is Wade's natural position. Also Darius, and Percy return kicks. It is going to be hard to round this group out if we only keep 5 guys at WR.

    I think, due to the debth we have at OL we keep 1 less Olineman, and go 6 at WR. Just an observation. Veteran leadership is overrated, with the coaching they recieve.
    Why Wouldn't Wade make the cuts? I know he's not the flashiest of receivers, but he's been our top target 2/3 seasons, our most reliable target last season.
    As far as I'm concerned, Rice has alot of proving to do still, and Jaymar/Reynaud have not done squat in the NFL.
    Cutting Wade is saying "We're going to put all our faith in 3 young players."

    Remember the love-fest for Jason Carter a few seasons ago?
    Everyone was willing to throw everyone out the door for the kid... look where he is now.
    nowhere.

    Jaymar is this years Jason Carter.

    There comes a time when you have to ignorep otential, and go with the better football player.
    If it means trying to slip Reynaud to practice squad, then so be it.
    I agree with this. I think Wade will be on the roster again this year. This is Rice's make or break year.
    People said that about Rice last year.
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    The point is, despite great size, atheleticism, and hands, Sydney has yet to produce at the level one would expect for a starter, for whatever reason. I know he was injured, and expect him to produce this year.

    I believe he will. But what if he doesn't?

    Like I_B_P, I don't want to kick Wade to the curb until we know there is someone as reliable.
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