Thread: Vikings targeting specific QB at 12

This is kind of funny. More than likely it is smoke and mirrors. I would imagine that Gabbert is high on our list, just a gut feeling.

I think we really like Locker, but I don't know that we would be "targeting" him at No. 12.

"We don't listen to anything," Spielman said. "We've done our homework as thorough as we can possibly do it, spent time with each kid, spent time with all the avenues. ...

so how did we end up with TJ? :P

Originally Posted by "skum" #1094859

I was listening to Adam Caplan on the radio the other day, he said we were looking at Nathan Enderle from Idaho in the 4th round and he also said, "dont be surprised if the Vikings go offensive line in the first"

Lots of teams seem to be interested in Nathan if you look on the KFFL site and go team by team.

Another one that seems to get alot of praise is Webber from the Gophers.

Gonna be interesting to see were they fall if there is a big run like everyone expects.

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094875

Lots of little nuggets in this one. :P

I know exactly what you're trying to poke with a stick, and you're in luck, that I feel like playing ball today.

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094872

A day before the draft, this much is clear about the Vikings' approach:


There are six players the Vikings "would take in a heartbeat" with the 12th overall pick, vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman said.

One of those players probably is a quarterback, which makes coach Leslie Frazier wonder whether "the guy we want" will be available at 12.

Shouldn't Spielman be the one doing the wondering? :lol:

Three or four teams have inquired about trading into the Vikings' 12th spot, Spielman said, which would allow the Vikings to select later in the first round while recouping a third-round pick lost in the Randy Moss trade.

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to this, but it depends on who's left when we pick, and what pick we'd be getting in return.

Spielman faces his first draft without former coach Brad Childress, whose heavy involvement over the 53-man roster led to speculation over which figure had the final say on draft picks.

Nothing new here. We all know there is speculation, and continues to be speculation

Now in collaboration with Frazier, Spielman said the team's draft preparation still unfolds the same way — with tireless research and hours of conversation at a roundtable with a whitewash board on each side to chart potential picks.

Sounds like Fraizer takes the role of more than just a casual observer. He's very much involved in WHO gets ON the 53 man roster. WHo has the final say? Again, doesn't really shed any light here. But I'm willing ot bet, since Fraizer isn't implementing his own scheme, he does a fair bit of scouting, and will be doing alot of visiting with free agents, and probably even gets a Finance 101 from Rob.

These talking points were part of Spielman's pre-draft review with team owner Zygi Wilf on Tuesday, a way to show the boss what the past three months of tedious evaluation have produced.

I'd expect that from the guy who's the Vice President of player personell. Fraizer and Rick work on who they look at, Spielman reports their findings.

Involved in the decision-making are Spielman, Frazier, the Wilfs, director of college scouting Scott Studwell and director of player personnel George Paton.

Hmmm.. I see no mention of ol' robbie boy anywhere

The draft board is ready to go by the time assistant coaches give input, and the past two weeks have been a final cram session on each position.

Nobody EVER said anything about assistant coaches. Our discussions were 99% about Childress and now Fraizer, and whether or not they had final say in decisions.

"I weigh what everybody has said and put a grade up there on the board where he goes. ... I

Who said this?

It's still uncertain who has final say during a disagreement over a pick, but Frazier makes it clear he collaborates cordially with Spielman.

Still nothing new. We KNOW the HC and Spielman work together on it. We don't know who has the final say or the most power.

But doesn't that comment right there trend to what I say instead of what a few on here say when they say the HC makes all the decisions?

Truth of the matter is, lots of stuff quoted by the staff that says its a staff effort and not something the HC has all the say on like a few of you contend especially when you talk about the drafting of TJ.

Just saying.

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1094885

This is kind of funny. More than likely it is smoke and mirrors. I would imagine that Gabbert is high on our list, just a gut feeling.

I think we really like Locker, but I don't know that we would be "targeting" him at No. 12.

I agree, in another thread I listed who I think the 6 are:

Gabbert (Probably gonna be gone but some speculation out there that teams are worried about the limited time they will have to get him ready so they might opt to take someone that will be more ready to contribute right away which might let him slip to 12. Again, I doubt that will happen but will be jumping up and down if it does)

Fairley and/or Dareus (If one of these two are sitting there at 12 we'd better jump on them. Both would go along way to fixing some of our defensives woes. Dareus won't be there but some speculation persists that teams aren't buying into the sleep apnea (sp) excuse and will pass on Fairley.)

One of the WR's. (If there are 3 QB's taken above us then there is the possibility Julio might get to us.)

Peterson. (Like one of the DT's, I think Peterson would, although I don't think its a big need, look real good next to Griff in a new look zone/press C2 scheme.)

Not sure who the other cat might be but IMHO it could be Von Miller. He, EJ and Chad would make for one hell of a LB group.

Originally Posted by "AngloVike" #1094887

"We don't listen to anything," Spielman said. "We've done our homework as thorough as we can possibly do it, spent time with each kid, spent time with all the avenues. ...

so how did we end up with TJ? :P

Fooley screwed the pooch long before Ricky boy showed up and passed on trading up for Cutler.

So were targeting either Mallett Locker or Gabbert, I would assume, with Newton already gone. I don't know what to believe right now. All 3 could potentially be worthy of that #12 overall spot. All 3 have knocks.

Gabbert - Only 16 TDs last year, and didn't play in a pro style offense. Are teams currently talking him up because they really covet someone else?

Locker - Not from a pro style system, but certainly has the athletic ability, maybe more of a developmental project than the other guys. A lot of buzz both good and bad about this kid. Very interested in where he winds up.

Mallett - How much of the whirlwind that surrounds Mallett is true and how much is being spread by teams that want him to fall to them?

Who has actually gone on record to say Ryan Mallett did something that's a legitimate concern? The kid did 'drugs' in college, stop the presses. All we know for sure is the he can fucking sling the pig skin.

Again interesting to say the least to see where Mallett goes in the draft.

Originally Posted by "jessejames09" #1094915

So were targeting either Mallett Locker or Gabbert, I would assume, with Newton already gone. I don't know what to believe right now. All 3 could potentially be worthy of that #12 overall spot. All 3 have knocks.

Gabbert - Only 16 TDs last year, and didn't play in a pro style offense. Are teams currently talking him up because they really covet someone else?

Locker - Not from a pro style system, but certainly has the athletic ability, maybe more of a developmental project than the other guys. A lot of buzz both good and bad about this kid. Very interested in where he winds up.

Mallett - How much of the whirlwind that surrounds Mallett is true and how much is being spread by teams that want him to fall to them?

Who has actually gone on record to say Ryan Mallett did something that's a legitimate concern? The kid did 'drugs' in college, stop the presses. All we know for sure is the he can fucking sling the pig skin.

Again interesting to say the least to see where Mallett goes in the draft.

Hey JJ. How ya been.

I actually don't think this staff is interested in Mallet at all especially when you look back at history and see what kinds of QB's Musgrove has either had under his tutelage as a QB coach or O-coord.

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094919

Originally Posted by "jessejames09" #1094915

So were targeting either Mallett Locker or Gabbert, I would assume, with Newton already gone. I don't know what to believe right now. All 3 could potentially be worthy of that #12 overall spot. All 3 have knocks.

Gabbert - Only 16 TDs last year, and didn't play in a pro style offense. Are teams currently talking him up because they really covet someone else?

Locker - Not from a pro style system, but certainly has the athletic ability, maybe more of a developmental project than the other guys. A lot of buzz both good and bad about this kid. Very interested in where he winds up.

Mallett - How much of the whirlwind that surrounds Mallett is true and how much is being spread by teams that want him to fall to them?

Who has actually gone on record to say Ryan Mallett did something that's a legitimate concern? The kid did 'drugs' in college, stop the presses. All we know for sure is the he can fucking sling the pig skin.

Again interesting to say the least to see where Mallett goes in the draft.

Hey JJ. How ya been.

I actually don't think this staff is interested in Mallet at all especially when you look back at history and see what kinds of QB's Musgrove has either had under his tutelage as a QB coach or O-coord.

Pretty good, been busy with school and coop. It's turkey season in Ontario though so I plan to get out, and get a bird, in my week between coop and going back to school. How about you?

But also on more important matters.. What character issues with Mallett? Point me to one instance that leads you to think he's a questionable character. Team-mates and coaches repeatedly stand up for him. Only negative i've heard is 'drugs' and questionable character relating to 'drugs'.

If I'm working for an NFL team and this kid is the most talented QB coming out of the draft. I'm finding out exactly what drugs Mallett did and how often. It's all just word of mouth up until that point.

Without that knowledge we can't really put a fair label on him. Didn't Percy Harvin fail a drug test at the combine?

Originally Posted by "jessejames09" #1094922

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094919

Originally Posted by "jessejames09" #1094915

So were targeting either Mallett Locker or Gabbert, I would assume, with Newton already gone. I don't know what to believe right now. All 3 could potentially be worthy of that #12 overall spot. All 3 have knocks.

Gabbert - Only 16 TDs last year, and didn't play in a pro style offense. Are teams currently talking him up because they really covet someone else?

Locker - Not from a pro style system, but certainly has the athletic ability, maybe more of a developmental project than the other guys. A lot of buzz both good and bad about this kid. Very interested in where he winds up.

Mallett - How much of the whirlwind that surrounds Mallett is true and how much is being spread by teams that want him to fall to them?

Who has actually gone on record to say Ryan Mallett did something that's a legitimate concern? The kid did 'drugs' in college, stop the presses. All we know for sure is the he can fucking sling the pig skin.

Again interesting to say the least to see where Mallett goes in the draft.

Hey JJ. How ya been.

I actually don't think this staff is interested in Mallet at all especially when you look back at history and see what kinds of QB's Musgrove has either had under his tutelage as a QB coach or O-coord.

Pretty good, been busy with school and coop. It's turkey season in Ontario though so I plan to get out, and get a bird, in my week between coop and going back to school. How about you?

But also on more important matters.. What character issues with Mallett? Point me to one instance that leads you to think he's a questionable character. Team-mates and coaches repeatedly stand up for him. Only negative i've heard is 'drugs' and questionable character relating to 'drugs'.

If I'm working for an NFL team and this kid is the most talented QB coming out of the draft. I'm finding out exactly what drugs Mallett did and how often. It's all just word of mouth up until that point.

Without that knowledge we can't really put a fair label on him. Didn't Percy Harvin fail a drug test at the combine?

I'm with you on this one. While I would not be opposed to drafting Mallet, I am going to be pissed if they reach on Locker in the first and end up setting the franchise back another half a decade.