Thread: Vikings re-sign Ryan Cook

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103202

When he gets McNabb or AP killed, we'll see who still steps up for him. He's done absolutely nothing in 6 seasons that deserves praise. A handful of good plays in 40 starts? Give me a break. He is a LIABILITY.

Oh, and yes he does plan on starting.

But Cook doesn't see himself returning to his old role as jack-of-all-trades backup along the offensive line.

"Myself, personally, no," Cook said. "I'm coming for the right guard spot there."

So if he does win the starting position, your still going to contend that he is basically crap?

Interesting. That would mean that you don't agree with our coaches ability to asses talent. Again, interesting.

At this point, atleast for me, I'm going to go with the coaches on each and every player. Seems like the jettisoning of Big Mac is a clear indication that they aren't going to hold back the punches.

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103215

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103202

When he gets McNabb or AP killed, we'll see who still steps up for him. He's done absolutely nothing in 6 seasons that deserves praise. A handful of good plays in 40 starts? Give me a break. He is a LIABILITY.

Oh, and yes he does plan on starting.

But Cook doesn't see himself returning to his old role as jack-of-all-trades backup along the offensive line.

"Myself, personally, no," Cook said. "I'm coming for the right guard spot there."

So if he does win the starting position, your still going to contend that he is basically crap?

Interesting. That would mean that you don't agree with our coaches ability to asses talent. Again, interesting.

At this point, atleast for me, I'm going to go with the coaches on each and every player. Seems like the jettisoning of Big Mac is a clear indication that they aren't going to hold back the punches.

With 20 penalties and 19 sacks allowed in 40 starts? Yes I'm going to bitch about that. It's hard not to. The dude is a turnstile. Tackle, guard, or center; those stats are disgusting.

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103226

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103215

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103202

When he gets McNabb or AP killed, we'll see who still steps up for him. He's done absolutely nothing in 6 seasons that deserves praise. A handful of good plays in 40 starts? Give me a break. He is a LIABILITY.

Oh, and yes he does plan on starting.

But Cook doesn't see himself returning to his old role as jack-of-all-trades backup along the offensive line.

"Myself, personally, no," Cook said. "I'm coming for the right guard spot there."

So if he does win the starting position, your still going to contend that he is basically crap?

Interesting. That would mean that you don't agree with our coaches ability to asses talent. Again, interesting.

At this point, atleast for me, I'm going to go with the coaches on each and every player. Seems like the jettisoning of Big Mac is a clear indication that they aren't going to hold back the punches.

With 20 penalties and 19 sacks allowed in 40 starts? Yes I'm going to bitch about that. It's hard not to. The dude is a turnstile. Tackle, guard, or center; those stats are disgusting.

Well ... that is nice twisting. I mean ... he has given up 18.75 sacks, which you rounded up. He has started 40 games, but played in 70. So you are saying he gave up NO sacks in any of his non-starts? And he made all of his penalties in only his starts?

Again ... those really aren't that bad of numbers for an average tackle in the league. Just go through and look at them. And as stated, which you choose to ignore in blind hate, almost all of those sacks are given up at TACKLE, which is not where he is slated to play this season. So that DOES MATTER, no matter how many times you say it doesn't.

You simply hate him, for whatever reason ... and that is cool. But quit trying to make it about numbers, because you don't have the ammo. As pointed out, Load has 17 penalties (3 of which are PERSONAL FOULS!!!) in 31 starts and you think he is going to be fantastic.

At least Floyd's hate of McNabb is often backed up with "I don't know why, I just do." He doesn't come out and twist and turn numbers to try to make him look worse than he is.

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103228

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103226

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103215

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103202

When he gets McNabb or AP killed, we'll see who still steps up for him. He's done absolutely nothing in 6 seasons that deserves praise. A handful of good plays in 40 starts? Give me a break. He is a LIABILITY.

Oh, and yes he does plan on starting.

But Cook doesn't see himself returning to his old role as jack-of-all-trades backup along the offensive line.

"Myself, personally, no," Cook said. "I'm coming for the right guard spot there."

So if he does win the starting position, your still going to contend that he is basically crap?

Interesting. That would mean that you don't agree with our coaches ability to asses talent. Again, interesting.

At this point, atleast for me, I'm going to go with the coaches on each and every player. Seems like the jettisoning of Big Mac is a clear indication that they aren't going to hold back the punches.

With 20 penalties and 19 sacks allowed in 40 starts? Yes I'm going to bitch about that. It's hard not to. The dude is a turnstile. Tackle, guard, or center; those stats are disgusting.

Well ... that is nice twisting. I mean ... he has given up 18.75 sacks, which you rounded up. He has started 40 games, but played in 70. So you are saying he gave up NO sacks in any of his non-starts? And he made all of his penalties in only his starts?

Again ... those really aren't that bad of numbers for an average tackle in the league. Just go through and look at them. And as stated, which you choose to ignore in blind hate, almost all of those sacks are given up at TACKLE, which is not where he is slated to play this season. So that DOES MATTER, no matter how many times you say it doesn't.

You simply hate him, for whatever reason ... and that is cool. But quit trying to make it about numbers, because you don't have the ammo. As pointed out, Load has 17 penalties (3 of which are PERSONAL FOULS!!!) in 31 starts and you think he is going to be fantastic.

At least Floyd's hate of McNabb is often backed up with "I don't know why, I just do." He doesn't come out and twist and turn numbers to try to make him look worse than he is.

LOL you are really gonna call me out for rounding up 18.75 to 19? Wow. I don't even know what a .25 sack is. It's not blind hate either. I hate him because on multiple occasions, he has put our best players in jeopardy. I see him as a liability. That's a pretty big reason. I never said Loadholt would be fantastic either. I just said that I was proud of him for working hard and getting in shape this offseason. As far as statistics are concerned, he has had awful numbers. In 2 starting seasons at tackle, he gave up an average of 6.5 sacks a season. That's not average by any means. And 20 penalties in 70 appearances is awful too. Most players don't have more than 20 penalties in a career. If he is a back-up, then I guess it's no big deal. But if he starts, we are all in for a very long season. Our line is shaping up to look like the worst in the NFL.

@TomPelissero: Wow, four touch-sacks in eight snaps for defensive line. Oline is a mess. #Vikings

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103231

Our line is shaping up to look like the worst in the NFL.

I don't know about that. Or at least I'm optimistic that the past few years we've seen the lowest levels of preparation, coaching, and performance from the guys the Vikes have had on the line, and that talent level being about equal, they will all play better this year. The "it can't get any worse" line of reasoning, basically.

Of course, saying that, it usually can and does.

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@TomPelissero: Wow, four touch-sacks in eight snaps for defensive line. Oline is a mess. #Vikings

Indeed.

Wow, because of this signing we are the worst in the NFL? And yes, the two seasons he started sucked, but they were THREE YEARS AGO.

Just so you know, Joe Thomas has 21 penalties in his career, might as well throw the 4x pro bowler to the wolves. And he gives up nearly 5 sacks a season and is an ALL PRO!

Jake Long gave up 6 sacks last season and has 19 penalties in ONLY THREE YEARS ... throw his All-Pro ass to the wolves also.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson gave up 23.75 sacks in his first two seasons. The Jets should have gotten rid of him right then and there. Then they could have avoided his Pro Bowl seasons. He also has 24 penalties (kind of losing your in an entire career discussion point).

Chad Clifton gave up 8 sacks last season. Has accounted for 72 penalties in his career. Throw his pro bowl ass to the curb also.

Jordan Gross gives up 5 sacks a year. Including 7 last year when he started in the Pro Bowl. Despite the fact he has 45 career penalties. Jesus, how does this guy have a job?

Pro Bowler Matt Light gave up 10 sacks of Brady last year. He has 41 career penalties and has given up an AVERAGE of nearly 7 sacks a season, which according to you is terrible. But the rest of the league seems to like him, evidenced by his three Pro Bowl appearances and his Al-Pro selection.

Get the point yet? These are the TOP tackles in the fucking league and the "stats" are not that much better (if at all) than Cook from when he was a tackle (which he sucked at).

I can't imagine what the "average" tackles are like, but you can rest assured the numbers will be posted here as you keep posting the stats that continue to show nothing all that bad about Mr. Cook.

I'm not trying to overreact, and I'm definitely not trying to get in fights with members of the same team. I'm just livid that we re-signed a guy that I always viewed as a liability to our players. If we lost AP for the year, our team wouldn't win more than 4 games. Don't get me wrong, I don't think DeGeare will be much better this year. Johnson - Hutch - Sullivan - Cook - Loadholt is, in my opinion, the worst starting line in the NFL. Big uglies win football games. And I'm starting to be much less optimistic about the season this year.

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103236

I'm not trying to overreact, and I'm definitely not trying to get in fights with members of the same team. I'm just livid that we re-signed a guy that I always viewed as a liability to our players. If we lost AP for the year, our team wouldn't win more than 4 games. Don't get me wrong, I don't think DeGeare will be much better this year. Johnson - Hutch - Sullivan - Cook - Loadholt is, in my opinion, the worst starting line in the NFL. Big uglies win football games. And I'm starting to be much less optimistic about the season this year.

There are plenty of lines worse than that. Just the fact that we have Hutch puts us ahead of many and Loadholt and Johnson are better tackles than a handful of teams.

Not a great line, but definitely not sniffing the bottom of the NFL.

Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103237

Originally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1103236

I'm not trying to overreact, and I'm definitely not trying to get in fights with members of the same team. I'm just livid that we re-signed a guy that I always viewed as a liability to our players. If we lost AP for the year, our team wouldn't win more than 4 games. Don't get me wrong, I don't think DeGeare will be much better this year. Johnson - Hutch - Sullivan - Cook - Loadholt is, in my opinion, the worst starting line in the NFL. Big uglies win football games. And I'm starting to be much less optimistic about the season this year.

There are plenty of lines worse than that. Just the fact that we have Hutch puts us ahead of many and Loadholt and Johnson are better tackles than a handful of teams.

Not a great line, but definitely not sniffing the bottom of the NFL.

The line here in Indianapolis is pretty damn bad. Especially since we stole Charlie Johnson. But I really don't like the idea of Charlie Johnson playing Tackle again. He is very undersized for a Tackle. I saw him play a lot here in Indy. I was really excited for him to play guard for us. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. The McKinnie thing really burnt us. I'm really getting my hopes up for DeMarcus Love.

You guys, things arent looking so good for our O-line so far.. here are some training camp notes from another Vikings forums I frequent.

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Jared Allen has begun the torturing of Charlie Johnson. Everson Griffen doing the same to Thomas Welch with 2 straight sacks.



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Mistral Raymond and Jamarca Sanford are second team safeties. Chris Cook (LC), Marcus Sherels (slot) and Brandon Burton at CBs



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Wow, four touch-sacks in eight snaps for defensive line. Oline is a mess.



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Johnson's gettin destroyed. Two more "sacks" by Jared Allen. Second one he got out of stance slowly and never touched him.



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Various offensive lines are struggling in a big way with McNabb latest to have whistle blown because he would have been sacked.