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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.

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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    Shank definitly had a couple drops this season but its taken out of context. Shank started the season strong, one of the TD's your saying he dropped was actually a catch called a drop by the refs. Mewelde through a great pass in end zone he showed why he has good hands and pulled it in. He has shown the ability to make plays but like any unit on our offense currently we need to stay consistent. When Holcomb played Shancoe had his best game, Tarvaris will learn to use his TE more often. Shancoe is definitly a weapon, I look foward to his improvement and growth in his 2nd year as starter. If he continues to have repeat Redskin games then we know we have a problem, but I believe he's shown the ability to be our starter in the other 15 games.

    I don't put to much into the Redskins game, the team as whole looked flat and several players had poor games. Even after all that we still gave ourselves a chance to win. From now on we need to come into those games with more energy and finish them.

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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

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    "singersp" wrote:
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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    Shank definitly had a couple drops this season but its taken out of context. Shank started the season strong, one of the TD's your saying he dropped was actually a catch called a drop by the refs. Mewelde through a great pass in end zone he showed why he has good hands and pulled it in. He has shown the ability to make plays but like any unit on our offense currently we need to stay consistent. When Holcomb played Shancoe had his best game, Tarvaris will learn to use his TE more often. Shancoe is definitly a weapon, I look foward to his improvement and growth in his 2nd year as starter. If he continues to have repeat Redskin games then we know we have a problem, but I believe he's shown the ability to be our starter in the other 15 games.

    I don't put to much into the Redskins game, the team as whole looked flat and several players had poor games. Even after all that we still gave ourselves a chance to win. From now on we need to come into those games with more energy and finish them.
    Who were the players with bad games? Tjack, Shank and a blown coverage by Sharper. D. Smith missed a tackle in the closing moments as well.
    As i said, I didn't blame him for the KC call. However, he had another drop and fumbles that cost us games. Shank is good enough to start on this team but not in the league.

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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

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    "singersp" wrote:
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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    Shank definitly had a couple drops this season but its taken out of context. Shank started the season strong, one of the TD's your saying he dropped was actually a catch called a drop by the refs. Mewelde through a great pass in end zone he showed why he has good hands and pulled it in. He has shown the ability to make plays but like any unit on our offense currently we need to stay consistent. When Holcomb played Shancoe had his best game, Tarvaris will learn to use his TE more often. Shancoe is definitly a weapon, I look foward to his improvement and growth in his 2nd year as starter. If he continues to have repeat Redskin games then we know we have a problem, but I believe he's shown the ability to be our starter in the other 15 games.

    I don't put to much into the Redskins game, the team as whole looked flat and several players had poor games. Even after all that we still gave ourselves a chance to win. From now on we need to come into those games with more energy and finish them.
    Who were the players with bad games? Tjack, Shank and a blown coverage by Sharper. D. Smith missed a tackle in the closing moments as well.
    As i said, I didn't blame him for the KC call. However, he had another drop and fumbles that cost us games. Shank is good enough to start on this team but not in the league.
    And your boy Johnson is?.......

    Strange how you ignored my previous post.
    Comeon my friend.
    You know Shanc will be fine this year.
    He is a every down TE that can block in the run, help out the TE against a DE or LB and he proved he can get open.

    A couple of dropped balls last year are a few negatives, but damn, everybody drops a ball here and there right.
    I chalk them up as growing pains and we won't see that again this year.


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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    You can cross the Skins game off your list. That fumble by V-Shi did not lead to the Skins 3rd score. In fact the Skins never even got a first down after that. They punted 4 plays later.

    Minnesota Vikings at 11:13
    1-10-MIN 41
    (11:13) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 42 for 1 yard (57-R.Godfrey, 94-A.Montgomery).

    2-9-MIN 42
    (10:36) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 89-R.Ferguson to WAS 45 for 13 yards (27-F.Smoot).

    1-10-WAS 45
    (9:54) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 81-V.Shiancoe to WAS 40 for 5 yards (57-R.Godfrey). FUMBLES (57-R.Godfrey), RECOVERED by WAS-64-K.Golston at WAS 41. 64-K.Golston to WAS 41 for no gain (64-A.Herrera).

    Washington Redskins at 09:45

    1-10-WAS 41
    (9:45) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short middle to 47-C.Cooley (42-D.Sharper) [94-P.Williams].

    2-10-WAS 41
    (9:39) 15-T.Collins pass short middle to 82-A.Randle El to WAS 45 for 4 yards (31-M.McCauley) [51-B.Leber].

    3-6-WAS 45
    (8:58) (Shotgun) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short left to 47-C.Cooley [56-E.Henderson].

    4-6-WAS 45
    (8:53) 4-D.Frost punts 55 yards to end zone, Center-67-E.Albright, Touchback.


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    The play that set up the Skins 2nd TD was a pass that was thrown by T-Jack that was intended for Wade but was picked off by the Skins. 2 plays later they scored a TD. You falsely accused V-Shi when he wasn't to blame.

    Minnesota Vikings at 08:43

    1-10-MIN 20
    (8:43) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end to MIN 22 for 2 yards (54-H.Blades).

    2-8-MIN 22
    (8:03) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass intended for 19-B.Wade INTERCEPTED by 24-S.Springs [96-C.Griffin] at MIN 34. 24-S.Springs to MIN 32 for 2 yards (19-B.Wade).

    Washington Redskins at 07:54

    1-10-MIN 32
    (7:54) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short right to 89-S.Moss (31-M.McCauley).

    2-10-MIN 32
    (7:50) 15-T.Collins pass deep left to 89-S.Moss for 32 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost.

    WAS 16

    MIN 0


    Plays: 2

    Possession: 0:11


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    T-Jacks two picks in that game cost us 2 TD's & T-Riches safety cost us another 2.

    There is nothing in that game recap that even points to Shiancoe costing us that game. His one fumble netted 0 points for the Skins.

    Check the stats more carefully before hating on a player for something he is not guilty of.

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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    I probably wouldn't state my life on it (seriously) but I would bet that he is better than the 32nd best TE in the league.

    He was ranked 33rd by this guy (I like how he breaks stuff down better than the ESPN/NFL sites) and according to most casual fans, he had a bad year last year.



    By the way, your boy Johnson wasn't much better.
    26th and 28th.
    ;D

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php


    A solid # 1 WR - We have a lot of questions marks. BB is idealy a # 2. He might transform into a # 1 but so far he's a # 2. Rice looks like he has the skills to be good. However, he only had 344 yrds. That's a far cry from Micheal Clayton's 1000 yard rookie season a few years back and he's a bust. We addressed it in FA and UDF but really none of the guys we brought in are # 1's. We have a guy tha played in the FCS and didn't break a 1000 yards receiving. I believe his stats were 700 yrd and 7 tds! WTF is that? he other WR we brought in is more of a RB than a WR. He has always been looked a tthat way and While he is talented, He would be looking to take he 3rd or 4th WR spot. Instead of Johnson, I owuld have wished we took Sweed in the 2nd and trade a 2nd next year and 6th to take take Johnson. I know this opinion is not very popular as everyon thinks AA and BW are greak gods and will be unstopable next year
    :.
    Why do you get so wrapped around the axel on the whole outdated #1, #2 #3 WR thing.
    How many times do I have to show you that it really doesn't apply in a WCO?

    Quick question (I think I've asked you this before).
    Who is the #1 WR on the Pats?

    I think you may of heard of him. Randy Moss.
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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    I probably wouldn't state my life on it (seriously) but I would bet that he is better than the 32nd best TE in the league.

    He was ranked 33rd by this guy (I like how he breaks stuff down better than the ESPN/NFL sites) and according to most casual fans, he had a bad year last year.



    By the way, your boy Johnson wasn't much better.
    26th and 28th.
    ;D

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php


    A solid # 1 WR - We have a lot of questions marks. BB is idealy a # 2. He might transform into a # 1 but so far he's a # 2. Rice looks like he has the skills to be good. However, he only had 344 yrds. That's a far cry from Micheal Clayton's 1000 yard rookie season a few years back and he's a bust. We addressed it in FA and UDF but really none of the guys we brought in are # 1's. We have a guy tha played in the FCS and didn't break a 1000 yards receiving. I believe his stats were 700 yrd and 7 tds! WTF is that? he other WR we brought in is more of a RB than a WR. He has always been looked a tthat way and While he is talented, He would be looking to take he 3rd or 4th WR spot. Instead of Johnson, I owuld have wished we took Sweed in the 2nd and trade a 2nd next year and 6th to take take Johnson. I know this opinion is not very popular as everyon thinks AA and BW are greak gods and will be unstopable next year
    :.
    Why do you get so wrapped around the axel on the whole outdated #1, #2 #3 WR thing.
    How many times do I have to show you that it really doesn't apply in a WCO?

    Quick question (I think I've asked you this before).
    Who is the #1 WR on the Pats?

    I think you may of heard of him. Randy Moss.

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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    You can cross the Skins game off your list. That fumble by V-Shi did not lead to the Skins 3rd score. In fact the Skins never even got a first down after that. They punted 4 plays later.

    Minnesota Vikings at 11:13
    1-10-MIN 41
    (11:13) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 42 for 1 yard (57-R.Godfrey, 94-A.Montgomery).

    2-9-MIN 42
    (10:36) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 89-R.Ferguson to WAS 45 for 13 yards (27-F.Smoot).

    1-10-WAS 45
    (9:54) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 81-V.Shiancoe to WAS 40 for 5 yards (57-R.Godfrey). FUMBLES (57-R.Godfrey), RECOVERED by WAS-64-K.Golston at WAS 41. 64-K.Golston to WAS 41 for no gain (64-A.Herrera).

    Washington Redskins at 09:45

    1-10-WAS 41
    (9:45) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short middle to 47-C.Cooley (42-D.Sharper) [94-P.Williams].

    2-10-WAS 41
    (9:39) 15-T.Collins pass short middle to 82-A.Randle El to WAS 45 for 4 yards (31-M.McCauley) [51-B.Leber].

    3-6-WAS 45
    (8:58) (Shotgun) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short left to 47-C.Cooley [56-E.Henderson].

    4-6-WAS 45
    (8:53) 4-D.Frost punts 55 yards to end zone, Center-67-E.Albright, Touchback.


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    The play that set up the Skins 2nd TD was a pass that was thrown by T-Jack that was intended for Wade but was picked off by the Skins. 2 plays later they scored a TD. You falsely accused V-Shi when he wasn't to blame.

    Minnesota Vikings at 08:43

    1-10-MIN 20
    (8:43) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end to MIN 22 for 2 yards (54-H.Blades).

    2-8-MIN 22
    (8:03) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass intended for 19-B.Wade INTERCEPTED by 24-S.Springs [96-C.Griffin] at MIN 34. 24-S.Springs to MIN 32 for 2 yards (19-B.Wade).

    Washington Redskins at 07:54

    1-10-MIN 32
    (7:54) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short right to 89-S.Moss (31-M.McCauley).

    2-10-MIN 32
    (7:50) 15-T.Collins pass deep left to 89-S.Moss for 32 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost.

    WAS 16

    MIN 0


    Plays: 2

    Possession: 0:11


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    T-Jacks two picks in that game cost us 2 TD's & T-Riches safety cost us another 2.

    There is nothing in that game recap that even points to Shiancoe costing us that game. His one fumble netted 0 points for the Skins.

    Check the stats more carefully before hating on a player for something he is not guilty of.
    You are right..clearly, his drive killing fumble at a time we were moving the ball efficently and in the opponents side of the field AIDED us in wining this game :.

    I was mistaken that his fumble lead to points. However, it was a costly 1 and almost as bad as the horrific turnovers that TJ had that game. Congrat you are a Winner!

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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    Shank definitly had a couple drops this season but its taken out of context. Shank started the season strong, one of the TD's your saying he dropped was actually a catch called a drop by the refs. Mewelde through a great pass in end zone he showed why he has good hands and pulled it in. He has shown the ability to make plays but like any unit on our offense currently we need to stay consistent. When Holcomb played Shancoe had his best game, Tarvaris will learn to use his TE more often. Shancoe is definitly a weapon, I look foward to his improvement and growth in his 2nd year as starter. If he continues to have repeat Redskin games then we know we have a problem, but I believe he's shown the ability to be our starter in the other 15 games.

    I don't put to much into the Redskins game, the team as whole looked flat and several players had poor games. Even after all that we still gave ourselves a chance to win. From now on we need to come into those games with more energy and finish them.
    Who were the players with bad games? Tjack, Shank and a blown coverage by Sharper. D. Smith missed a tackle in the closing moments as well.
    As i said, I didn't blame him for the KC call. However, he had another drop and fumbles that cost us games. Shank is good enough to start on this team but not in the league.
    And your boy Johnson is?.......

    Strange how you ignored my previous post.
    Comeon my friend.
    You know Shanc will be fine this year.
    He is a every down TE that can block in the run, help out the TE against a DE or LB and he proved he can get open.

    A couple of dropped balls last year are a few negatives, but gol 'darnit, everybody drops a ball here and there right.
    I chalk them up as growing pains and we won't see that again this year.


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    Not on purpose my friend. I don't think he is an every down TE. He is an average blocker and an average pass catcher. I think the fact that he is on the Vikes have blinded us. Similar to how everyone is in love with AA. The kid hasn't done anything bad but he returns 1 TD and he is the 2nd coming of Chris Carter. Shank is decent but he isn't a starter. As for Johnson, he has been a starter on 2 teams and good if not great on both.

    I call talent as I see it. I don't think it's growing pains. At this point in his career, he either has it or he doesn't. He doesn't but he is the horse we have attached our wagon to. I predict another 300 yard season.

    Get me a TE.

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    Re: Vikings Nab Best UDFA Class - Signees are talented

    "kevoncox" wrote:
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    Glad you asked....
    A pass catching TE - Will you bet you life that Shank is the 32nd best TE in this league? I believe some teams have a backup better than him. We need a TE and Eric Johnson is said TE. Shank has been costing teams games since his days on the Giants. He's thrash!
    V-Shi has only played for two teams, the Giants & the Vikings. Since you claim that he has cost teams games since his days on the Giants That could only mean one team, not multiple teams...........the Vikings.

    What specific games are you referring to that Shank has cost us?
    I meant he has cost the giants and Vikings games with crucial fumbles and drops.
    The Skins game and either the Cheifs, GB or DET game. I don't blame him for the blown call in the KC game but he had a key TD drop in a gamw before or after the KC game. The fumble that set up the Skins 3rd score( 2nd TD) put that game out of reach.
    You can cross the Skins game off your list. That fumble by V-Shi did not lead to the Skins 3rd score. In fact the Skins never even got a first down after that. They punted 4 plays later.

    Minnesota Vikings at 11:13
    1-10-MIN 41
    (11:13) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 42 for 1 yard (57-R.Godfrey, 94-A.Montgomery).

    2-9-MIN 42
    (10:36) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 89-R.Ferguson to WAS 45 for 13 yards (27-F.Smoot).

    1-10-WAS 45
    (9:54) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 81-V.Shiancoe to WAS 40 for 5 yards (57-R.Godfrey). FUMBLES (57-R.Godfrey), RECOVERED by WAS-64-K.Golston at WAS 41. 64-K.Golston to WAS 41 for no gain (64-A.Herrera).

    Washington Redskins at 09:45

    1-10-WAS 41
    (9:45) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short middle to 47-C.Cooley (42-D.Sharper) [94-P.Williams].

    2-10-WAS 41
    (9:39) 15-T.Collins pass short middle to 82-A.Randle El to WAS 45 for 4 yards (31-M.McCauley) [51-B.Leber].

    3-6-WAS 45
    (8:58) (Shotgun) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short left to 47-C.Cooley [56-E.Henderson].

    4-6-WAS 45
    (8:53) 4-D.Frost punts 55 yards to end zone, Center-67-E.Albright, Touchback.


    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29427&displayPage=tab_play_by_p lay&season=2007&week=REG16&override=true

    The play that set up the Skins 2nd TD was a pass that was thrown by T-Jack that was intended for Wade but was picked off by the Skins. 2 plays later they scored a TD. You falsely accused V-Shi when he wasn't to blame.

    Minnesota Vikings at 08:43

    1-10-MIN 20
    (8:43) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end to MIN 22 for 2 yards (54-H.Blades).

    2-8-MIN 22
    (8:03) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass intended for 19-B.Wade INTERCEPTED by 24-S.Springs [96-C.Griffin] at MIN 34. 24-S.Springs to MIN 32 for 2 yards (19-B.Wade).

    Washington Redskins at 07:54

    1-10-MIN 32
    (7:54) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short right to 89-S.Moss (31-M.McCauley).

    2-10-MIN 32
    (7:50) 15-T.Collins pass deep left to 89-S.Moss for 32 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost.

    WAS 16

    MIN 0


    Plays: 2

    Possession: 0:11


    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29427&displayPage=tab_play_by_p lay&season=2007&week=REG16&override=true

    T-Jacks two picks in that game cost us 2 TD's & T-Riches safety cost us another 2.

    There is nothing in that game recap that even points to Shiancoe costing us that game. His one fumble netted 0 points for the Skins.

    Check the stats more carefully before hating on a player for something he is not guilty of.
    You are right..clearly, his drive killing fumble at a time we were moving the ball efficently and in the opponents side of the field AIDED us in wining this game :.

    I was mistaken that his fumble lead to points. However, it was a costly 1 and almost as bad as the horrific turnovers that TJ had that game. Congrat you are a Winner!
    LOL! It was nowhere near as horrific as TJ's two picks that lead to 14 points. We had only moved the ball 19 yards at the time of V-Shi's fumble & was at Washingtons 40. To claim that one fumble by V-Shi is what cost us the game is utter bullshit.

    The Skins did nothing with the ball & punted it right back to us. All turnovers are costly in some aspect

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