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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

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    I think he'd essentially replace Pat Williams.

    Maybe Pat on 1st down, Haynesworth on 2nd and 3rd.


    If he plays to the level of the guys around him, we're gonna have the scariest defensive line imaginable. And I think he will.

    I hope this happens. What do you think we'd have to give up for him?
    Washington doesn't have a second or third round pick, so they would likely be interested in a second or a third. I might be OK with a 3rd, but a second would be too high IMHO.

    Plus he would need to restructure his contract. Right now, he is due $16.2M over the next three seasons. However, after that he is still under contract for another three years worth 52M with 20M essentially guaranteed at that point. Either the team that acquires him restructures, or they cut him after three years taking a huge cap hit, or they pay him a lot more than he is worth.

    And then there is the issue of him being a douche. I am sure Andre Gurode would have plenty to say about him.
    It was my belif that the team that signed the contract, is responsible for all Guaranteed money. I believe he got 40millions guaranteed, the skins paid him 21 already.

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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

    NodakPaul wrote:
    Mr Anderson wrote:
    I think he'd essentially replace Pat Williams.

    Maybe Pat on 1st down, Haynesworth on 2nd and 3rd.


    If he plays to the level of the guys around him, we're gonna have the scariest defensive line imaginable. And I think he will.

    I hope this happens. What do you think we'd have to give up for him?
    Washington doesn't have a second or third round pick, so they would likely be interested in a second or a third. I might be OK with a 3rd, but a second would be too high IMHO.

    Plus he would need to restructure his contract. Right now, he is due $16.2M over the next three seasons. However, after that he is still under contract for another three years worth 52M with 20M essentially guaranteed at that point. Either the team that acquires him restructures, or they cut him after three years taking a huge cap hit, or they pay him a lot more than he is worth.

    And then there is the issue of him being a douche. I am sure Andre Gurode would have plenty to say about him.
    Contract aside he's easily worth a 2nd. He's a young dominant player.
    Most of his negative press was related to him stomping a player in 2006. To me it's a one time thing and in his past.

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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

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    One option that came to my head was giving Kevin Williams a chance to play some more defensive end. He was very good at that spot as a rookie. That was a long time ago, but it came to mind. I'm thinking running downs a base line of: K. Williams (LE); Haynesworth (DT); P. Williams (NT); and Allen (RE). Then for passing situations a base line of: Edwards (LE); K. Williams (DT); Haynesworth (NT); Allen (RE).
    Most team would probably run a Hurry up Offense on us when ever we came on to the field with this setup.
    I disagree. Most teams aren't prepared to run a hurry up offense in any given week. Then take away the Metrodome games because the noise would frustrate the hurry up. And what do they get out of it? Pat Williams in there instead of Ray Edwards? Still a good defensive line and a good pass rush. Could definitely happen, and would probably happen to some extent. But I doubt very often.

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    Plus he would need to restructure his contract. Right now, he is due $16.2M over the next three seasons. However, after that he is still under contract for another three years worth 52M with 20M essentially guaranteed at that point. Either the team that acquires him restructures, or they cut him after three years taking a huge cap hit, or they pay him a lot more than he is worth.
    I don't think the team needs to restructure anything. Washington probably will want some cash back on the recent $21 million they gave him as a guaranteed roster bonus, so it could happen in that context, but the three year deal is favorable to the team. Meanwhile Haynesworth just collected a $21 million dollar check, so he's not going to be ticked and hold out for that reason.

    The guaranteed money in his contract was pretty much his signing bonus ($5 million), this latest bonus ($21 million), and his 2009-2011 salaries (about $10-15 million).

    So if he's cut after three years to avoid the $29 million year, then there is not a substantial cost to the team in terms of cash - it's all been paid out. We don't know exactly what the salary cap situation will be, but it is unlikely that Haynesworth's previous bonuses will result in any sort of cap hit if he is cut in three years.

    If the team did decide to restructure at some point, that's also not really a huge problem. He'd get paid what he was worth at that time.
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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/vikings-in-hot-pursuit-of-haynesworth/

    Vikings in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth
    Posted by Michael David Smith on April 22, 2010 5:12 PM ET
    One of the more intriguing draft rumors floating around today involves a new team that may have an interest in acquiring Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: The Minnesota Vikings.

    A league source told PFT that the Vikings are in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth.

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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

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    kevoncox wrote:
    Overlord wrote:
    mad-dog_six-eight wrote:
    One option that came to my head was giving Kevin Williams a chance to play some more defensive end. He was very good at that spot as a rookie. That was a long time ago, but it came to mind. I'm thinking running downs a base line of: K. Williams (LE); Haynesworth (DT); P. Williams (NT); and Allen (RE). Then for passing situations a base line of: Edwards (LE); K. Williams (DT); Haynesworth (NT); Allen (RE).
    Most team would probably run a Hurry up Offense on us when ever we came on to the field with this setup.
    I disagree. Most teams aren't prepared to run a hurry up offense in any given week. Then take away the Metrodome games because the noise would frustrate the hurry up. And what do they get out of it? Pat Williams in there instead of Ray Edwards? Still a good defensive line and a good pass rush. Could definitely happen, and would probably happen to some extent. But I doubt very often.

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    Plus he would need to restructure his contract. Right now, he is due $16.2M over the next three seasons. However, after that he is still under contract for another three years worth 52M with 20M essentially guaranteed at that point. Either the team that acquires him restructures, or they cut him after three years taking a huge cap hit, or they pay him a lot more than he is worth.
    I don't think the team needs to restructure anything. Washington probably will want some cash back on the recent $21 million they gave him as a guaranteed roster bonus, so it could happen in that context, but the three year deal is favorable to the team. Meanwhile Haynesworth just collected a $21 million dollar check, so he's not going to be ticked and hold out for that reason.

    The guaranteed money in his contract was pretty much his signing bonus ($5 million), this latest bonus ($21 million), and his 2009-2011 salaries (about $10-15 million).

    So if he's cut after three years to avoid the $29 million year, then there is not a substantial cost to the team in terms of cash - it's all been paid out. We don't know exactly what the salary cap situation will be, but it is unlikely that Haynesworth's previous bonuses will result in any sort of cap hit if he is cut in three years.

    If the team did decide to restructure at some point, that's also not really a huge problem. He'd get paid what he was worth at that time.
    The contract had 41 million guaranteed. 21 has been paid in the first 13 months. The remaining 20 is triggered at the beginning of the 5th year of the contract. I am not a cap guru, so I don't know exactly how this would work out, but usually all remaining guaranteed money in a contract would count against the salary cap if the player is cut. This is to avoid letting teams back-end contracts with huge guaranteed money and then just cutting them before it is triggered.

    So without a restructure, the team that gets AH would be stuck paying $16-$17 million per year for the remaining six years of his contract. That is a lot of money IMHO, and not what I would want to invest in a player with IMHO questionable character.

    But in the end he is a helluva player, so I would still be excited. I bet he would love to be given license to put a few remember me hits on Brees... But if this doesn't pan out, there is no way I would be disappointed either.
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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/vikings-in-hot-pursuit-of-haynesworth/

    Vikings in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth
    Posted by Michael David Smith on April 22, 2010 5:12 PM ET
    One of the more intriguing draft rumors floating around today involves a new team that may have an interest in acquiring Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: The Minnesota Vikings.

    A league source told PFT that the Vikings are in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth.

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    Just reported by Zulgadd... Haynesworth to Vikings isn't happening.

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    Re:Vikings Interested in Haynesworth?

    I would love to see this happen. I am guessing we would be willing to part with a third rounder or maybe even a second rounder for him.
    Rumor here in D.C. is that the Skins want to get rid of him and will basically take whatever the best offer is to do so.

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    I would love to see him break Brees's back in game one, but I only want him if the price is not too high.
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    Not happening unless Big Gay Al restructures his contract. It would have to be incentives based to keep him out of sloth mode.
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    http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/23/haynesworth-deal-expected-to-come-down-friday/

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