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    Re: Vikings discuss trade for Falcons backup Schaub

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    "Face" Pirelli gave me da dope on dis Schaub mug, here it is....
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    #8 Matt Schaub | QB

    Full Name: Matthew Rutledg Schaub
    Born: June 25, 1981
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Height: 6-5
    Weight: 237 lbs.

    Age: 24
    Pos: QB
    Experience: 2 years
    College: Virginia
    Drafted: Year:2004 Round:3 Pick:27, Falcons
    RAT 98.1 | YDS 495 | TD 4
    2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
    Grade: 65 | Key
    Alert: None

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    Shows good top-end speed, is capable of getting outside the pocket and flashes the ability to make accurate throws on the run. Has adequate awareness and flashes the ability to step up when pocket starts to collapse around him. Possesses adequate ball skills, shows a good pump fake and does a decent job of selling play action. Plays with confidence, doesn't dwell on mistakes and is a leader on the field. Lacks great lateral mobility and doesn't excel at buying second chances in the pocket. Lacks the elusiveness to make defenders miss, doesn't show a second gear once in space and isn't a dangerous open field runner. However, he has the release, touch and accuracy to develop into an excellent backup once he cuts down on his mistakes, which should happen once he gets more comfortable with the offense.
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    Everyting was lookin' great as I wuz readin' dis ( ok, "Face" read it to me ), until I saw the woids "... develop into an excellent backup...". What? What does dat mean? Duz dat mean he won't make a good startin' QB?
    After a year in the NFL draft comments don't mean shit.
    The classic example.

    Leaf appears to be the hot QB in this draft, and he led WSU to a storybook season...He is a physically imposing QB with great size and strength....he is very sturdy and durable in the pocket, and is a surprisingly good athlete for his size...He has a strong arm and shows good touch, and can change up the speed on his passes...He has good feet, but is not really a scrambler. However, he can stand in and take the big hits....He is a very naturally gifted player, but could improve on his throwing mechanics, although it is not a major problem....There are no physical or athletic limitations to hold Leaf back from becoming a great NFL QB. However, there appears to be some MINOR nagging questions in the area of maturity and his mental approach to the game. He is perceived as not always an easy guy to work with, and he tends to beat to his own drummer...As good as he is, he can have some streaks on the field where he looks like he has forgotten everything he has been taught...There seems to be a nagging question here that something might be missing, but it may be hard to verbalize it...However, Leaf made all the right moves at the end of his season when he declared for the NFL draft...Unless he turns some teams off in individual interviews between now and the draft, he should have no problems....Nobody will question his physical abilities, and it is not outlandish to think that he could be the first pick of the draft, instead of Peyton Manning....There is a huge upside with Leaf, and it is conceivable that he could be one of the best young QB’s in the game in 2-3 years...His ability to play as physical as he does and take the hits that will obviously come, when playing for a team that obviously doesn’t have a very good OL, will help him get over the tough times as a team builds around him.
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    Re: Vikings discuss trade for Falcons backup Schaub

    I LOVE Schaub, but I don't wanna give up our first for him. He is, afterall, a backup. A 2, a 2 and 3, maybe both 2s, but no more. Draft a LB with the one, and pick a QB later, or shop for Schaub next year.

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    Re: Vikings discuss trade for Falcons backup Schaub

    Give up nothing try for him next year IF the QB we draft this year doesn't turn out. No point in giving up a first round pick for just as many IF's as a rookie. IF he plays a whole season like he played his few starts. IF he will agree to a contract that doesn't break the bank. IF he accually wants to play here. I said before if he wants to start he will leave the Hawks because Vick isn't going anyplace. Wait for him to go looking vs giving up something to a team that will more than likely loose him next year and use this year to rebuild the team in other areas. Its a new coach, New owner, starting over season no one is blowing the Vikes to the Superbowl trumpet or anything this year. Give Jacobs or Whitehurst a chance, grab Sims and work on the rest of the team. Johnson will be OK this year, so a young QB has a chance to learn from a solid QB like Johnson if Johnson has issues or the Rookie just sucks Schaub is an FA next year.

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    Re: Vikings discuss trade for Falcons backup Schaub

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    Give up nothing try for him next year IF the QB we draft this year doesn't turn out. No point in giving up a first round pick for just as many IF's as a rookie. IF he plays a whole season like he played his few starts. IF he will agree to a contract that doesn't break the bank. IF he accually wants to play here. I said before if he wants to start he will leave the Hawks because Vick isn't going anyplace. Wait for him to go looking vs giving up something to a team that will more than likely loose him next year and use this year to rebuild the team in other areas. Its a new coach, New owner, starting over season no one is blowing the Vikes to the Superbowl trumpet or anything this year. Give Jacobs or Whitehurst a chance, grab Sims and work on the rest of the team. Johnson will be OK this year, so a young QB has a chance to learn from a solid QB like Johnson if Johnson has issues or the Rookie just sucks Schaub is an FA next year.
    I completely agree! lets get a QB in the second round and see how he developes then maybe look at schaub if the guy we draft shows no promise in the preseason/backup role.

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    Re: Vikings discuss trade for Falcons backup Schaub

    An excerpt (& another opinion) from the article SIMS MIGHT ELUDE VIKINGS

    Latest word is that the Cleveland Browns, who pick No. 12 in the April 29 NFL draft, and the Philadelphia Eagles, who pick No. 14, have Florida State linebacker Ernie Sims in their sights.

    If Sims is taken before Minnesota gets a chance, it wouldn't be surprising if the Vikings, who have the No. 17 pick, offer the pick to the Atlanta Falcons for 24-year-old backup quarterback Matt Schaub.

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    Re: Vikings discuss trade for Falcons backup Schaub

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    [size=18px]Vikings should steer clear of Schaub[/size]

    By Eric Krupka ; 04/06/06

    Numerous reports have surfaced over the past few days that the Minnesota Vikings and Atlanta Falcons are currently talking trade. Atlanta is seeking to regain a first-round pick in this April's draft, which they traded away a few weeks ago to get defensive end John Abraham from the New York Jets. Meanwhile, the Vikings are interested in finding their quarterback of the future, which is where Falcons backup Matt Schaub enters into the mix.

    However, the Vikings should stay clear of Schaub for numerous reasons. For starters, it would take way too much to pry him from Atlanta, which is reportedly looking for a package of picks that includes the Vikings' first-round pick, No. 17 overall. And frankly, the Vikings have never shown the ability to make good trades involving draft picks (see 1989's Herschel Walker trade with Dallas). Albeit the past shouldn't keep a team from making future moves, but let's not kid ourselves, Schaub hasn't proven much of anything; he has only started two games in his short career. Also, it isn't only the draft picks that make Schaub expensive. He's in the last year of his contract and would seek a long-term deal next offseason in order to be paid in congruence with other starters.

    In addition to being unproven, Schaub also seems vastly overrated by certain pundits. He has been the talk of the offseason among quarterbacks and is coveted by numerous teams. But why? In limited playing time, he has a lackluster completion percentage of 49.2 percent and a mediocre touchdown to interception ratio of five touchdowns to four interceptions.

    Another reason that the Vikings should stay away from Schaub is for the simple fact that he isn't necessarily a need right now. Brad Johnson is a solid starter in this league, as he brought the Vikings from the depths of the NFL leading them to a 7-2 record last season, and narrowly missing out on the playoffs. Johnson posted a 62.6 percent completion percentage, and an impressive 12 touchdowns to just four interceptions while throwing for 1,885 yards. Johnson is a proven winner as he has led all three teams he has played for to the playoffs, winning one Super Bowl. In his previous stint in Minnesota, he led the Vikings to the playoffs in 1997 and defeated the Giants in the first-round before losing to the San Francisco 49ers in the second-round. In 1999, he led the Washington Redskins to the playoffs and defeated the Detroit Lions in the first-round before falling to Tampa Bay by a single point the following week. In Johnson's finest season, he helped lead the Buccaneers to a Super Bowl title in 2002-2003.

    Finally, new Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress has proven to be an exceptional developer of quarterbacks. Because of this, the Vikings would be much wiser to save their draft picks, and let Childress find his quarterback on draft day. A perfect scenario would see them filling a very important need at linebacker with their first-round pick, possibly drafting Ernie Sims from Florida State. Sims is a very athletic, sure-tackling linebacker, who has the speed and coverage skills that are a must in the Cover 2 defense. This would then allow Childress to use a second-rounder on Bowling Green quarterback Omar Jacobs. Jacobs seems to have all the tools; size (6'4", 225 pounds), speed (4.55 in the 40), an absolute rocket for an arm, and first-rate decision-making skills as evidenced by his college stats(68 touchdowns to just 10 interceptions over the past two seasons).

    If Jacobs isn't an option, Childress could still look to Brodie Croyle or Charlie Whitehurst, both of whom are expected to be available in rounds two or three. Croyle, a product of the Alabama Crimson Tide, is more of a risk. As his past has proven, he is an injury waiting to happen. He does have a strong arm, and he did impress scouts back in January at the Senior Bowl. When asked about Croyle's arm Texas Tech coach Mike Leach said, "Everybody talks about strong arms; he truly does have a strong arm." One drawback happened at the combine when he only participated in position drills and kept his numbers, hurting his draft stock. Thanks to that, Whitehurst is the more intriguing prospect at the moment. Despite his middle-of-the-road 11 touchdowns to 10 interception ratio last season, the former Clemson Tiger quarterback completed 67.2 percent of his passes in his senior season. He also has the ability to make plays with his legs; he ran a 4.74 in the 40 yard dash at the combine and even had a 65-yard run this past season, to go along with three rushing touchdowns.

    Despite the knocks on Matt Schaub, he clearly has some upside. The fact that he'll only be 25 in June is an advantage, the fact that he stands an imposing 6'5" is advantageous, and the fact that he possesses some decent mobility is nice as well. Vikings fans witnessed that mobility first-hand when he rushed four times for 56 yards in relief of the injured Michael Vick last season. One last thing in Schaub's favor is the fact that he ran a form of the west coast offense with the Atlanta Falcons. Starting next season, the Vikings will be running the west coast offense as well.

    Still, as far as the Vikings go, the negatives of Schaub outweigh the positives.

    Without question, it would be in the Vikings' best interest to find their franchise quarterback with a late day-one pick in the draft's first day. Schaub has a nice amount of upside, but who's to say he isn't a product of hype? At this point, the numbers don't lie, and neither does Brad Johnson's production from last season.

    -Send your comments or questions to Eric Krupka at [email protected]

    Vikings should steer clear of Schaub
    I couldn't agree more.
    Did you write that Del? That is exactly what you have been saying, I was thinking that it was you when I was reading it. Rarely does a modern day journalist do a reasonable job of mixing in their opinions with some factual information.

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