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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    If they are really looking at dealing away the 1st and not having one at all this year then I would really take a long hard look at also doing the following:

    Trade Jared Allen for a 1 and a 3 next year. The reason is we brought him in to win a championship and that didn't happen so out of respect and to keep him from becoming disgruntled during the rebuild you trade him to a contending team and let him try to win a SB with another team while we use the picks we spent to get him on building for the future next year.

    Trade Adrian Peterson for a 1 and a 2 next year.Target Dallas as they are a team who could use a back like him and we can get a few picks back from the Walker trade. Use the picks next year to build the team.

    Trade McKinney for a 3rd next year and move on in another direction at LT.

    Trade Shank for a 3rd next year

    Combined with the above trade to Cleveland we would then have 4 1st round picks, 2 seconds and 4 3rd round picks. That type of pick volume could really give us the players to stack the roster and build something really special that is ready to contend when the new stadium is finally opened.


    While it would be a rough go this season we are really not going to go anywhere anyway but the long term payoff could be huge.

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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1094783
    If they are really looking at dealing away the 1st and not having one at all this year then I would really take a long hard look at also doing the following:

    Trade Jared Allen for a 1 and a 3 next year. The reason is we brought him in to win a championship and that didn't happen so out of respect and to keep him from becoming disgruntled during the rebuild you trade him to a contending team and let him try to win a SB with another team while we use the picks we spent to get him on building for the future next year.

    Trade Adrian Peterson for a 1 and a 2 next year.Target Dallas as they are a team who could use a back like him and we can get a few picks back from the Walker trade. Use the picks next year to build the team.

    Trade McKinney for a 3rd next year and move on in another direction at LT.

    Trade Shank for a 3rd next year

    Combined with the above trade to Cleveland we would then have 4 1st round picks, 2 seconds and 4 3rd round picks. That type of pick volume could really give us the players to stack the roster and build something really special that is ready to contend when the new stadium is finally opened.


    While it would be a rough go this season we are really not going to go anywhere anyway but the long term payoff could be huge.
    There is pretty much NO WAY we get that for those players:
    Allen will not go for a 1 and a 3
    McKinnie would MAYBE get a 3, but definitely might not.
    Shiancoe would not get a 3.
    AD could MAYBE get us a 1, but not likely, and definitely not a 1 and 2. RBs just are not worth that anymore.

    And mortgaging everything for the future would probably be a good way to kill the stadium deal dead for at least the next two seasons ... long enough for L.A. to start doing polls on what they should change the team name to.

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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1094775
    As much as it would suck to not pick in the first round in back to back years, this would be smarter for us in the long-run. Next year we could package both these picks for the number one or two pick overall and a second or third and draft the top QB prospect.

    I was thinking the same thing about Luck falling like Locker, but if he does, there is bound to be a blue chip prospect next year whether it is Luck or some other guy. I would much rather roll with one of them than with some 2nd tier QB we "hope" falls to us this year.
    I agree that at first it does not look good. But if we end up giving pick No. 12 for Pick No. 19 and pick No. 37 then it really is not all that good. If the Browns end up in the playoffs or something (remember, at least one crazy ass bad team goes to the playoffs every year) then we end up giving a No. 12 for a No. 21 and a No. 37.

    Simple math on the charts ... pick 12 is worth 1,200 points and pick 37 is worth 530 ... that means we need pick No. 27 or better next year to make it worth it. Of course we would likely pick higher than that unless the Browns go to a championship game.

    But that doesn't take into account that you are waiting a year. If we got lucky and ended up with the Browns No. 14 pick ... it becomes a fantastic value.

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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Combined with the above trade to Cleveland we would then have 4 1st round picks, 2 seconds and 4 3rd round picks.
    If you bundle in about 6 current players Spielman would have the firepower to make a Hershel Walker like trade.

    Won't make a bit of difference if you get Luck next year or not if they are in LA.

    Yes we are rebuilding. But not to the extent that we can't go from worse to first if we draft wisely. There's still a lot of talent on this team.

    Without free agency, the choices in this draft are the most important in years.

    I don't believe defering current picks to next year is wise when we are short high quality picks already.
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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    There is pretty much NO WAY we get that for those players:
    I imagine at some point someone said the Cowboys would never get 7 picks and 5 players or whatever it was for Herschel Walker too. Things happen.


    Allen will not go for a 1 and a 3
    He is in his prime and could immediately help a contending team. What did we give up to get him only 2 years ago?

    McKinnie would MAYBE get a 3, but definitely might not.
    I really think that is a fair price for an established veteran LT.


    Shiancoe would not get a 3.
    Possibly not. But for sure a 4th. IMHO if the FO is a good one they could get a 3 for him.


    AD could MAYBE get us a 1, but not likely, and definitely not a 1 and 2. RBs just are not worth that anymore.
    He isn't just a RB. He is the most electrifying RB in the past decade and he would command a premium from a team looking for a game changer. IMHO the 1 and 2 might be low.

    And mortgaging everything for the future would probably be a good way to kill the stadium deal dead for at least the next two seasons
    The league and their lockout is doing much more damage to the stadium plan than a trade ever would.


    ... long enough for L.A. to start doing polls on what they should change the team name to.
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    WTF, If LA was any good for the NFL they would still have the 2 teams that ultimately fled for other locations. That is the last place i would worry about and the Vikings are not the first in line to leave. The Jags are much more likely to end up there.

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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1094792
    Combined with the above trade to Cleveland we would then have 4 1st round picks, 2 seconds and 4 3rd round picks.
    If you bundle in about 6 current players Spielman would have the firepower to make a Hershel Walker like trade.

    Won't make a bit of difference if you get Luck next year or not if they are in LA.

    Yes we are rebuilding. But not to the extent that we can't go from worse to first if we draft wisely. There's still a lot of talent on this team.

    Without free agency, the choices in this draft are the most important in years.

    I don't believe defering current picks to next year is wise when we are short high quality picks already.
    I agree, but my theory was based on the assumption of the original point of giving up our first this year and not having one anyway. If that happens then we are without a doubt in full rebuild mode and if that is the case we might as well do it right.

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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094764
    THEN Marty will make a post in three years comparing our reach of a Division I-AA WR to the other available receivers, and how it wasn't "that bad" since the rest of the class is trash.

    That seems like something we'd do.
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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Garland Greene" #1094758
    http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/04/2011-nfl-draft-cleveland-browns-and_26.html


    A league source close to the situation confirmed to National Football Authority that the Cleveland Browns and Minnesota Vikings have had ongoing discussions regarding Minnesota’s No. 12 pick in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft.

    According to this source, the Browns have expressed high interest in obtaining two certain players in the first round of this year’s NFL Draft. If the Browns can draft the first player they are interested in with the No. 6 pick and the other player is still available at the No. 12 pick, the two teams plan to make the deal.

    While the complete terms of the deal were not discussed; the current talks are centered around the Vikings sending their No. 12 pick in the first round to Cleveland for the Browns' 2012 first round pick and their No. 37 overall pick in the second round of the 2011 Draft.
    First, thanks for the read and a brief appearance my friend. Miss your stuff.

    Second......I think if you read deeper into the article (which I doubt most of you actually do, you might get a couple of nuggets that might give you a clue about whats going on.....

    This potential deal also could mean that Minnesota is not sold on a quarterback or defensive lineman with the No. 12 pick, and could be looking to draft those positions (and save money in the process) at the top of the second round.

    Perhaps the Vikings are looking at picking up Jake Locker at the top of the second, since he has been trending to fall out of the first round altogether, but that could change if there is a run on quarterbacks at the bottom of the first round too.

    A risky play by the Vikings, but they could be thinking they would get a Top 10 pick from the Browns in the first round of the 2012 Draft too. On the flip side, the Browns might think having two first round picks this year can make a huge impact for the team in 2011.
    There are two ways of looking at this, if you as me......

    One way.......
    Some yutz on here has been chanting that this team is looking to go cheap. This move is a clear indication that they don't want to do the following:

    a. Sign a Player equal to the 12th round pick money.

    b. Are willing to gamble that they will get their guy, they would would have had to reach for at 12, at the top of the second. Again, thereby saving money.

    c. None of the DT's are worth grabbing at 12, and they don't need a DE bad enough (Probaby gonna either resign Ray or go with Griff and Awasome) to pay him top 12 money and are going to get a QB and DT at the top of the second. Again, at alot cheaper cost.

    I hate to say this, but show me one coach that would settle for a plan like this. Any other coach would want a player regardless of position at 12 cause that type of player would improve his team.

    Instead we are seeing what a GM would do. Nobody is there that the GM likes (BPA) so he is opting to plus up his picks next year, all the while moving out of the first round (like he did last year) in an effort to still add talent, but at a much lower cost.

    Sad day my friends. In the end, we are seeing a Owner starting to save money by drafting lower. Lets see what that means when the FA comes around.

    Another way of looking at this,
    This could also mean is something that we could be excited about.

    Maybe we will see a two team deal here. We will take both of our first round picks for next years draft and package them and send them to the Iggles for Kolb.

    End result, you get two of the top players in this years draft at the top of the second round (Say a DT Austin/Paea - LB Martez Wilson - S Rahim Moore), a franchise QB for the next 10 years, ........

    All because you moved out of the number 12 pick.

    I guess, depending on who you are, you could look at this like it is the worst fricken thing in the whole wide world, or if your another guy you could be saying, damn, thats one hell of a move. :whistle:
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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094798
    Quote Originally Posted by "Garland Greene" #1094758
    http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/04/2011-nfl-draft-cleveland-browns-and_26.html


    A league source close to the situation confirmed to National Football Authority that the Cleveland Browns and Minnesota Vikings have had ongoing discussions regarding Minnesota’s No. 12 pick in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft.

    According to this source, the Browns have expressed high interest in obtaining two certain players in the first round of this year’s NFL Draft. If the Browns can draft the first player they are interested in with the No. 6 pick and the other player is still available at the No. 12 pick, the two teams plan to make the deal.

    While the complete terms of the deal were not discussed; the current talks are centered around the Vikings sending their No. 12 pick in the first round to Cleveland for the Browns' 2012 first round pick and their No. 37 overall pick in the second round of the 2011 Draft.
    First, thanks for the read and a brief appearance my friend. Miss your stuff.

    Second......I think if you read deeper into the article (which I doubt most of you actually do, you might get a couple of nuggets that might give you a clue about whats going on.....

    This potential deal also could mean that Minnesota is not sold on a quarterback or defensive lineman with the No. 12 pick, and could be looking to draft those positions (and save money in the process) at the top of the second round.

    Perhaps the Vikings are looking at picking up Jake Locker at the top of the second, since he has been trending to fall out of the first round altogether, but that could change if there is a run on quarterbacks at the bottom of the first round too.

    A risky play by the Vikings, but they could be thinking they would get a Top 10 pick from the Browns in the first round of the 2012 Draft too. On the flip side, the Browns might think having two first round picks this year can make a huge impact for the team in 2011.
    There are two ways of looking at this, if you as me......

    One way.......
    Some yutz on here has been chanting that this team is looking to go cheap. This move is a clear indication that they don't want to do the following:

    a. Sign a Player equal to the 12th round pick money.

    b. Are willing to gamble that they will get their guy, they would would have had to reach for at 12, at the top of the second. Again, thereby saving money.

    c. None of the DT's are worth grabbing at 12, and they don't need a DE bad enough (Probaby gonna either resign Ray or go with Griff and Awasome) to pay him top 12 money and are going to get a QB and DT at the top of the second. Again, at alot cheaper cost.

    I hate to say this, but show me one coach that would settle for a plan like this. Any other coach would want a player regardless of position at 12 cause that type of player would improve his team.

    Instead we are seeing what a GM would do. Nobody is there that the GM likes (BPA) so he is opting to plus up his picks next year, all the while moving out of the first round (like he did last year) in an effort to still add talent, but at a much lower cost.

    Sad day my friends. In the end, we are seeing a Owner starting to save money by drafting lower. Lets see what that means when the FA comes around.

    Another way of looking at this,
    This could also mean is something that we could be excited about.

    Maybe we will see a two team deal here. We will take both of our first round picks for next years draft and package them and send them to the Iggles for Kolb.

    End result, you get two of the top players in this years draft at the top of the second round (Say a DT Austin/Paea - LB Martez Wilson - S Rahim Moore), a franchise QB for the next 10 years, ........

    All because you moved out of the number 12 pick.

    I guess, depending on who you are, you could look at this like it is the worst fricken thing in the whole wide world, or if your another guy you could be saying, damn, thats one hell of a move. :whistle:
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    Re: Vikings/Browns talking Trade?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094798
    Maybe we will see a two team deal here. We will take both of our first round picks for next years draft and package them and send them to the Iggles for Kolb.

    If we do that, I will lead the "Fire Spielman" mob

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