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    Vikings' bad offseason moves

    Here's a blog on "Vikingsragnarok" on how Maurice Hicks was a bad signing and that defensive ends has to be adressed in the draft to provide depth:
    http://vikingsragnarok.blogspot.com/...d-lack-of.html

    I agree with the author on some points. I didn't think the signing of Hicks was necessary and DE should be provided in the draft rather than in free agency cause the good free agents are already taken.
    I also agree that we have two young promising pass rushers in Brian Robison and Ray Edwards that showed the ability to get to the quarterback last year.

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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    I'm with Pacifist Viking on this one--I don't understand this signing. It seems that Hicks is meant to replace Mewelde Moore, who signed with the Steelers, as the third down back and punt returner. The thing is, the Vikings don't really need the former, and Hicks has no experience with the latter.
    ??? The vikings don't need a punt returner with Memo gone? Since when?

    There is always need for a 3rd RB IMO. One that can play a part on special teams is even better yet.

    How quickly he forgets that we had at one time 4 RB's on this team & went thru 3 of them, relying on the 4th RB, Moe Williams, to carry the load.

    Just 1 year ago people exclaimed we didn't even need another RB, because C-Tay was our guy after having a 1200+ yard season.

    If Memo would have been happy here in a third down role & wanted to stay here (Don't know if that was the case or not) the Vikings made a huge mistake by not resigning him.

    IMO, for the money we were paying him, he was indispensable.

    Where are you going to find another versatile 3rd string RB that could catch the ball the way he did, average the yards he did per carry running the ball, (higher than AD or C-Tay with 5.7 YPC) & contribute on special teams as a punt returner?

    IMO, as far as 3rd string RB's are concerned, he was the best in the league. I'm glad he got the opportunity to play elsewhere & perhaps be a starter, but would have been even happier to have him wearing purple & gold this year.

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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    this clown also leaves out the fact that he's a kickoff return specialist and also very good on coverage which are 2 areas that don't exactly hurt your team.
    when it comes to returning punts who knows how the vikes will address that.
    maybe in the draft they will focus on a guy who has done that.
    but to say hicks was a waste cuz he's a 3rd down back that will never get used(which is just ridiculous cuz there are too many injuries to assume that), and cuz he doen't return punts, it completely ignores the true reasons he was signed.
    depth at rb, and to be a "kickoff" return specialists and coverage specialist.
    has anyone even heard him mentioned as a punt return option?
    as far as i know he's not even being considered that.
    how bout the fact that we've used a bevy of different kickoff return men over the last 5 years, including our number 1 running back who is far too important to be using on kickoffs?
    i just dont' get the point of the article.
    the opinion is really lacking thought.
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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    I still find it amazing that guys like this have no clue when it comes to the difference between the LDE and RDE positions.
    Sounds like he expects Edwards to start on one side and Robison on the other when in fact, going into the season I bet Mitchell is tapped as the starter.

    No other Vet is out there that appear to be viable candidates to come in and supplant Mithcell.
    My bet is they will draft a LDE in the draft and will look to add a VET that fits if one is cut after the draft.
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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    "singersp" wrote:
    I'm with Pacifist Viking on this one--I don't understand this signing. It seems that Hicks is meant to replace Mewelde Moore, who signed with the Steelers, as the third down back and punt returner. The thing is, the Vikings don't really need the former, and Hicks has no experience with the latter.
    ??? The vikings don't need a punt returner with Memo gone? Since when?

    There is always need for a 3rd RB IMO. One that can play a part on special teams is even better yet.

    How quickly he forgets that we had at one time 4 RB's on this team & went thru 3 of them, relying on the 4th RB, Moe Williams, to carry the load.

    Just 1 year ago people exclaimed we didn't even need another RB, because C-Tay was our guy after having a 1200+ yard season.

    If Memo would have been happy here in a third down role & wanted to stay here (Don't know if that was the case or not) the Vikings made a huge mistake by not resigning him.

    IMO, for the money we were paying him, he was indispensable.

    Where are you going to find another versatile 3rd string RB that could catch the ball the way he did, average the yards he did per carry running the ball, (higher than AD or C-Tay with 5.7 YPC) & contribute on special teams as a punt returner?

    IMO, as far as 3rd string RB's are concerned, he was the best in the league. I'm glad he got the opportunity to play elsewhere & perhaps be a starter, but would have been even happier to have him wearing purple & gold this year.
    I feel the same way. In addition it is difficult to find the judgement, in when and where to field the ball and when to let it go, that Mewelde had on punt returns. He was pretty dependable with ball secuity as well.
    Hicks will be hard pressed to be viewed as an upgrade.

    I still can't forget Wade fair catching on the 6 yard line. I hope his return days are done.
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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    I still find it amazing that guys like this have no clue when it comes to the difference between the LDE and RDE positions.
    Sounds like he expects Edwards to start on one side and Robison on the other when in fact, going into the season I bet Mitchell is tapped as the starter.

    No other Vet is out there that appear to be viable candidates to come in and supplant Mithcell.
    My bet is they will draft a LDE in the draft and will look to add a VET that fits if one is cut after the draft.
    Didn't they play together last year. Salt and pepper. .

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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    With Mewelde signing for just 5mill/3years, it seems we could have tried harder to keep him, but fact of the matter is, he wanted more playing time, and with Parker's knee injury happening at the end of the year, MeMo has a good chance to start the year as the starter in Pitt.

    IMHO Mo Hicks was a great sign.
    Physically, he's a match with MeMo, 5'11, just over 200 lbs.
    His total yards on KR over the past two years put him third in the NFL.
    And, he had 50 ST tackles...so, where we need him the most, special teams, he is an upgrade.
    Sure, there are differences between KR/PR, but the main skills, the vision to see the play developing in a hurry, and to pick up your blockers in the open field, is the same.

    As a third RB he'll be OK, as you have to give some of the credit for having all three of your RBs averaging over 5.0 yards/carry to the blocking of the OLine etc, and when you're the third RB, the defense usually isn't as focused on you as they are on AP.

    I think that Robison did rush from the left end a few times last year.
    My guess, at this point, is that Mitchell is the starter at LDE, with Robison coming in on passing downs...for now.
    That could change depending on who is available in the draft, and how fast they pick up the system.
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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    I still find it amazing that guys like this have no clue when it comes to the difference between the LDE and RDE positions.
    Sounds like he expects Edwards to start on one side and Robison on the other when in fact, going into the season I bet Mitchell is tapped as the starter.

    No other Vet is out there that appear to be viable candidates to come in and supplant Mithcell.
    My bet is they will draft a LDE in the draft and will look to add a VET that fits if one is cut after the draft.
    Didn't they play together last year. Salt and pepper. .
    I saw a few different lineups last year depending on "Down and Distance" were all the DE moved around but in our Base 4-3 D it was pretty much

    RDE Edwards
    DT Kevin
    DT Phat Pat
    LDE Keneche

    A few times I saw......

    RDE Edwards
    DT Kevin
    DT Keneche - Mitchell or (Brain fart.
    Can't remember the DT we just let loose)
    ;D
    LDE Robison
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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    I still find it amazing that guys like this have no clue when it comes to the difference between the LDE and RDE positions.
    Sounds like he expects Edwards to start on one side and Robison on the other when in fact, going into the season I bet Mitchell is tapped as the starter.

    No other Vet is out there that appear to be viable candidates to come in and supplant Mithcell.
    My bet is they will draft a LDE in the draft and will look to add a VET that fits if one is cut after the draft.
    Didn't they play together last year. Salt and pepper. .
    I saw a few different lineups last year depending on "Down and Distance" were all the DE moved around but in our Base 4-3 D it was pretty much

    RDE Edwards
    DT Kevin
    DT Phat Pat
    LDE Keneche

    A few times I saw......

    RDE Edwards
    DT Kevin
    DT Keneche - Mitchell or (Brain fart.
    Can't remember the DT we just let loose)
    ;D
    LDE Robison
    Whats going on with EVANS the DT from MIA?

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    Re: Vikings' bad offseason moves

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    With Mewelde signing for just 5mill/3years, it seems we could have tried harder to keep him, but fact of the matter is, he wanted more playing time, and with Parker's knee injury happening at the end of the year, MeMo has a good chance to start the year as the starter in Pitt.

    IMHO Mo Hicks was a great sign.
    Physically, he's a match with MeMo, 5'11, just over 200 lbs.
    His total yards on KR over the past two years put him third in the NFL.
    And, he had 50 ST tackles...so, where we need him the most, special teams, he is an upgrade.
    Sure, there are differences between KR/PR, but the main skills, the vision to see the play developing in a hurry, and to pick up your blockers in the open field, is the same.

    As a third RB he'll be OK, as you have to give some of the credit for having all three of your RBs averaging over 5.0 yards/carry to the blocking of the OLine etc, and when you're the third RB, the defense usually isn't as focused on you as they are on AP.

    I think that Robison did rush from the left end a few times last year.
    My guess, at this point, is that Mitchell is the starter at LDE, with Robison coming in on passing downs...for now.
    That could change depending on who is available in the draft, and how fast they pick up the system.
    Excellent post with alot of good points.

    My biggest question/comment with respect to Memo was that he got a label from Tice that he couldn't pass block and that kindof stuck with him.

    I wonder if the staff didn't bring him back for the same reason.

    I saw Robison get at least 2 of his sacks from the LDE positions and if memory serves, I believe his first one came from there.
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