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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1091157
    What makes you think they don't want him on the team? Aren't you the one always complaining that fans give up on players too quick? I thought he played very well for a rookie. Had a Qb rating of 82 and had 6 rushing TD's, 2nd to only Vick amongst all Qb's despite only starting 3 games.
    Well, mostly its me probably over analyzing what John Fox and John Elway are saying when asked.

    Sure, they say the stuff (like I do) about giving the kid time, but I think we saw what he will always be, a "Running QB".

    Like Vick, that is exciting, but like Vick, he isn't gonna be able to stand up to the riggors that a running QB goes through in this league.

    In the end, they could still make him into a throwing QB, but I doubt it, atleast not in the near term.

    What they do in the draft this year will be a true indicator of what they think.
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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1091133
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091115
    I am holding out hope for Hoolio Jones.
    That's who I was thinking too. I think the 9 guys I have ranked higher will all go before number 12. He's also probably the scariest pick, IMHO. Most of his hype is based on his athletic ability more so than his skillset as a wide reciever. Not to say he's the next troy williamson, but Troy Williamson moved up draft boards after the combine too.
    The difference is that Julio Jones was one of the best receivers in college football with great hands and speed. He'll be drafted high because he's good and fast, not just fast.

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "Randy Moss" #1091190
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1091133
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091115
    I am holding out hope for Hoolio Jones.
    That's who I was thinking too. I think the 9 guys I have ranked higher will all go before number 12. He's also probably the scariest pick, IMHO. Most of his hype is based on his athletic ability more so than his skillset as a wide reciever. Not to say he's the next troy williamson, but Troy Williamson moved up draft boards after the combine too.
    The difference is that Julio Jones was one of the best receivers in college football with great hands and speed. He'll be drafted high because he's good and fast, not just fast.
    I'm not so sure we really need a "Fast" guy. What we need is a guy who runs precise routes and can catch anything that gets near him.

    Rationale behind that is mostly cause I think we are going to have a QB under center who is going to have issues with not only reading defenses but getting the ball to the correct spot on time and in synch with the recievers and when he does throw the ball, its going to be something short/high percentage, not anything deep.

    Best fit is Rice. He knows the scheme and can catch anything that gets close.

    Percy is another good option.

    Of the top 3 WRs in the draft, I like all 3 of the top 3, but really think that the top 2 will be gone. That leaves Hankerson.

    Strengths
    Strong and tough. Box-out WR with above average hands and concentration. Is always open, because he makes himself open wherever he is on the field with his strong frame and determination to be the guy winning the battle. Will easily slip into the pro game, and can break the jam and fill in as either a #2 or 3rd-down specialist for most NFL teams, day one. Can make the big play down the field. Can block. Toe touches. Very crafty. Draws PI calls. Young with lots of upside remaining.
    Weaknesses
    Not an elite burner or blocker. Not as refined yet as he should be in his routes. Lacks a little discipline at times, and needs to do a better job of taking care of the little things, esp. coming back to bail out his QB.
    Projection
    1st rounder based on outstanding performance at Senior Bowl in both practice and the game.
    Leonard Hankerson

    Stick him on the field with PH and Rice and I think you would have one heck of a trio for a young QB to work with.
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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1091158
    Quote Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1091156
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090590
    Take those wrs and drop them off the board. With our qb situation, we could have andre, fitz, rice and harvin, but still not top 3500 yards. Id focus on rebuilding the lines, qb and db situation.
    Just ask Lions fans. Too bad they fired Millen
    The Lions who finished ahead of us last year.
    This year is rebuilding. If Wr is the best player available take it. It might not help you much this year because of the other weaknesses, but you can't fill all the holes at once.
    I'm sure the Lions are glad they took Calvin Johnson, who was the best player available, rather than reach for a need at QB(next QB off the board was Brady quinn).
    There are only so many Blue Chip athletes in each draft. If you have an opportunity to take one you have to do it.
    Yeah the Lions who finished ahead of us AFTER they fired Millen. While he was busy using all his #1's on wide receivers they were busy setting a record for futility that will stand up for ages.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    As long as we don't pick Gabbert or Newton I will probably be happy.

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1091205
    Quote Originally Posted by "Randy Moss" #1091190
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1091133
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091115
    I am holding out hope for Hoolio Jones.
    That's who I was thinking too. I think the 9 guys I have ranked higher will all go before number 12. He's also probably the scariest pick, IMHO. Most of his hype is based on his athletic ability more so than his skillset as a wide reciever. Not to say he's the next troy williamson, but Troy Williamson moved up draft boards after the combine too.
    The difference is that Julio Jones was one of the best receivers in college football with great hands and speed. He'll be drafted high because he's good and fast, not just fast.
    I'm not so sure we really need a "Fast" guy. What we need is a guy who runs precise routes and can catch anything that gets near him.

    Rationale behind that is mostly cause I think we are going to have a QB under center who is going to have issues with not only reading defenses but getting the ball to the correct spot on time and in synch with the recievers and when he does throw the ball, its going to be something short/high percentage, not anything deep.

    Best fit is Rice. He knows the scheme and can catch anything that gets close.

    Percy is another good option.

    Of the top 3 WRs in the draft, I like all 3 of the top 3, but really think that the top 2 will be gone. That leaves Hankerson.

    Strengths
    Strong and tough. Box-out WR with above average hands and concentration. Is always open, because he makes himself open wherever he is on the field with his strong frame and determination to be the guy winning the battle. Will easily slip into the pro game, and can break the jam and fill in as either a #2 or 3rd-down specialist for most NFL teams, day one. Can make the big play down the field. Can block. Toe touches. Very crafty. Draws PI calls. Young with lots of upside remaining.
    Weaknesses
    Not an elite burner or blocker. Not as refined yet as he should be in his routes. Lacks a little discipline at times, and needs to do a better job of taking care of the little things, esp. coming back to bail out his QB.
    Projection
    1st rounder based on outstanding performance at Senior Bowl in both practice and the game.
    Leonard Hankerson

    Stick him on the field with PH and Rice and I think you would have one heck of a trio for a young QB to work with.
    I would love to see a young QB in the first round and Hankerson in the second (if we could be so lucky).

    I think taking him at No. 12 would obviously be a stretch, but if we can turn pick No. 12 into a later first rounder and a third rounder and snag Hankerson, and OT and a D-lineman ... I could easily live without the QB knowing the amount of weapons we will have for whomever I future signal caller is.

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091186
    How could you have Newton as the best player in the draft and then disregard every other QB as not worth a top 10? I understand he won a national championship and all but heck, so did Vince young, Gino Toretta, Charlie Ward, Greg McElroy if I am not mistaken and many others who never ended up being worth the spot.

    He only played at Auburn 1 season and to me that is just not enough of a track record to rule out the possibility it was just a fluke. As to the rest of the picks it looks pretty good but really Newton hasn't shown anything that puts him ahead of the rest of his colleagues.
    Cam Newton completed 66% of his passes, something Locker never did in one of his four years as a starter. Blaine Gabbert playing in Missouri's spread threw only 17 tds to Cam's 30. Neither of those two were ever put up anywhere near the production Newton did. And you named a lot of guys who won a national championship, but Newton came to a team that was 3-5 in the SEC and in one season made them undefeated champions. To me the other QBs have more question marks on their resumes.

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "DiehardVikesFan" #1091392
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091186
    How could you have Newton as the best player in the draft and then disregard every other QB as not worth a top 10? I understand he won a national championship and all but heck, so did Vince young, Gino Toretta, Charlie Ward, Greg McElroy if I am not mistaken and many others who never ended up being worth the spot.

    He only played at Auburn 1 season and to me that is just not enough of a track record to rule out the possibility it was just a fluke. As to the rest of the picks it looks pretty good but really Newton hasn't shown anything that puts him ahead of the rest of his colleagues.
    Cam Newton completed 66% of his passes, something Locker never did in one of his four years as a starter. Blaine Gabbert playing in Missouri's spread threw only 17 tds to Cam's 30. Neither of those two were ever put up anywhere near the production Newton did. And you named a lot of guys who won a national championship, but Newton came to a team that was 3-5 in the SEC and in one season made them undefeated champions. To me the other QBs have more question marks on their resumes.
    You can always pick and choose stats if you want. Mallet threw more TD's than Cam. Gabbert played in more games as did locker.


    They were not as good the year before for sure but I have watched Auburn since the early 80's and they are well known for having up and down trends in their history.

    Last season they had a new coach and he had to change the staff over so they had a down year.They were 5-5-1 in 1992 with a similar change in coaches and then went 11-0 the next year but I don't know if anyone remembers QB Stan White right now.B)

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091395
    Quote Originally Posted by "DiehardVikesFan" #1091392
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1091186
    How could you have Newton as the best player in the draft and then disregard every other QB as not worth a top 10? I understand he won a national championship and all but heck, so did Vince young, Gino Toretta, Charlie Ward, Greg McElroy if I am not mistaken and many others who never ended up being worth the spot.

    He only played at Auburn 1 season and to me that is just not enough of a track record to rule out the possibility it was just a fluke. As to the rest of the picks it looks pretty good but really Newton hasn't shown anything that puts him ahead of the rest of his colleagues.
    Cam Newton completed 66% of his passes, something Locker never did in one of his four years as a starter. Blaine Gabbert playing in Missouri's spread threw only 17 tds to Cam's 30. Neither of those two were ever put up anywhere near the production Newton did. And you named a lot of guys who won a national championship, but Newton came to a team that was 3-5 in the SEC and in one season made them undefeated champions. To me the other QBs have more question marks on their resumes.
    You can always pick and choose stats if you want. Mallet threw more TD's than Cam. Gabbert played in more games as did locker.


    They were not as good the year before for sure but I have watched Auburn since the early 80's and they are well known for having up and down trends in their history.

    Last season they had a new coach and he had to change the staff over so they had a down year.They were 5-5-1 in 1992 with a similar change in coaches and then went 11-0 the next year but I don't know if anyone remembers QB Stan White right now.B)
    Stan Never threw for 20+ tds and rushed for 20 + in the same season
    My two favorite Qbs are Mallet and Cam in this draft. Gabbett is has media inspired hype and Locker is not accurate in the position he will spend 90% of the game.

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    Re: Vikings 2011 draft board top 12

    Cam Newton- Bust of the 2011 draft.....


    Maybe in light of the recent Chris cook saga we need to look closer at the CB position.

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