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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

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    bsmithberkley wrote:
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    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It was the linebackers gap for the run. He got blocked.
    Happened quite a few times last year.

    You're the one who talked about the RDE and LDE having different jobs.
    When JA is in an up the field pass rush, the linebacker has the run, in that gap.
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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It was the linebackers gap for the run. He got blocked.
    Happened quite a few times last year.

    You're the one who talked about the RDE and LDE having different jobs.
    When JA is in an up the field pass rush, the linebacker has the run, in that gap.
    ...and with JAs propensity for the wide rush it makes that play more successful on average for the offense...ergo, the average run numbers in his area of responsibility.
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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    bsmithberkley wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It was the linebackers gap for the run. He got blocked.
    Happened quite a few times last year.

    You're the one who talked about the RDE and LDE having different jobs.
    When JA is in an up the field pass rush, the linebacker has the run, in that gap.
    ...and with JAs propensity for the wide rush it makes that play more successful on average for the offense...ergo, the average run numbers in his area of responsibility.
    Those plays are only successful when the LB and secondary aren't doing their jobs properly. The DL is responsible for pressure and contain, not gap coverage.

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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    Purple Floyd wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It was the linebackers gap for the run. He got blocked.
    Happened quite a few times last year.

    You're the one who talked about the RDE and LDE having different jobs.
    When JA is in an up the field pass rush, the linebacker has the run, in that gap.
    ...and with JAs propensity for the wide rush it makes that play more successful on average for the offense...ergo, the average run numbers in his area of responsibility.
    Those plays are only successful when the LB and secondary aren't doing their jobs properly. The DL is responsible for pressure and contain, not gap coverage.
    The DL is responsible for pressure and contain, not gap coverage.

    That "contain" applies to RBs as well. And JA abandons contain when he uses his outside move. He makes it much harder for the second level to do their job when he uses that move.

    He is a great pass rusher, but, it works against us sometimes.
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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Who you calling a Ho?

    =Z=
    I thought the term was ahoy, but Marty is the semen and he knows all of the fancy navel terms

    :huh:

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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It's a long off season when we start nit-picking the vikings rush D. I know they slipped to number 2 in the NFL, after 3 straight years of being number 1, it is still the strength of our team.
    We did struggle against the Ravens, but they had the best running game we saw all season(5th in the nfl). And if I remember correctly we still won that game.
    JA is a complete beast in both the run and the pass game. He's not going to make every tackle but, he's very very good at containing the edge and chasing backs to the sideline.

    In the end the rush D is still the bread and butter of this team. Compared to our pass defense and rush offense there is very little room for improvement.

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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It was the linebackers gap for the run. He got blocked.
    Happened quite a few times last year.

    You're the one who talked about the RDE and LDE having different jobs.
    When JA is in an up the field pass rush, the linebacker has the run, in that gap.
    Did you watch what the LB'r did in that play? He sure wasn't holding the gap and actually went inside if I'm not mistaken.

    Either JA or Chad did the wrong thing which gets me back to my point above......

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    jmcdon00 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It's a long off season when we start nit-picking the vikings rush D. I know they slipped to number 2 in the NFL, after 3 straight years of being number 1, it is still the strength of our team.
    We did struggle against the Ravens, but they had the best running game we saw all season(5th in the nfl). And if I remember correctly we still won that game.
    JA is a complete beast in both the run and the pass game. He's not going to make every tackle but, he's very very good at containing the edge and chasing backs to the sideline.

    In the end the rush D is still the bread and butter of this team. Compared to our pass defense and rush offense there is very little room for improvement.
    I'm not discounting anything they've done in the past. What I'm talking about is the "Slipping" that you mentioned.

    Was it a small "Slip" last year? Yes. The issue for me is will they slip again this year and if they do, how big of a slip will it be.
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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    vikinggreg wrote:
    With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Who you calling a Ho?

    =Z=
    I thought the term was ahoy, but Marty is the semen and he knows all of the fancy navel terms

    :huh:
    LOL, I needed a laugh. Thanks my friend. 5 1/2 more hours and I'm off for a week.
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    Re:With Training Camp Around the Corner, Vikings a Ho

    Purple Floyd wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Zeus wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    marstc09 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    That was a waste of time. Far from a hot mess IMO.
    I know, especially on the defensive side of the ball what with all our starters coming back healthy and not getting suspended or anything like that. :blink:
    Marty - you could be getting a blow job from a toothless Victoria's secret model and you'd still complain that her tongue was too scratchy.

    =Z=
    You are probably correct. Still all in all the following should give even the most optimistic of fans a slight bit of concern:

    a. EJ - Jasper gives me hope, but he will struggle at times as teams will look to expose his weaknesses, and because of his limited time in the league, there will be something that can/will be exposed.

    b. DT - Even before the suspension, the rotation was suspect. Now you take out our two best DLmen and try to insert backups as your primary starters facing 3 good running teams out of 4 with no coherent plan in place for anyone to take up those extra reps.

    c. Griff and Whinny. Griff will not be a viable asset this year even though players seem to get on the field quicker, they still don't look 100% until the following year (2 years), Whinny, even if he can stay healthy was having issues last year (and part of the year before).

    Even though I like what they've done to address the CB issue and like what I've seen out of Jasper, I am not gonna sit here and sing Kumbayay and say all is well on that side of the ball.
    You are like the only one who thinks DT is a problem. The rotation was NEVER suspect last year.
    Did you watch the Ravens meltdown?

    And what is wrong with not "Following the Crowd" when it comes to ideas.

    If everyone thought the same way the chuckleheads on ESPN think, this place sure would be boring.
    Was the DT rotation responsible for poor run defense against BAL?
    Not sure if I would specifically put it all on the DT's but I do believe the DL as a whole wore down in a few games.

    I guess, though, if I was forced to point a finger, I would look at RDE. JA sure was out of position on a few of those runs.

    Not sure if it was because he was "Freelancing" and focusing just on rushing the passer or if the D-coord was making dumb calls.
    It was the linebackers gap for the run. He got blocked.
    Happened quite a few times last year.

    You're the one who talked about the RDE and LDE having different jobs.
    When JA is in an up the field pass rush, the linebacker has the run, in that gap.
    ...and with JAs propensity for the wide rush it makes that play more successful on average for the offense...ergo, the average run numbers in his area of responsibility.
    Those plays are only successful when the LB and secondary aren't doing their jobs properly. The DL is responsible for pressure and contain, not gap coverage.
    The DL is not responsible for Gap Coverage?

    What does a 1 gap, 3 technique mean to you?
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