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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    If we trade out of the first round, I will cry.
    The talent level in this draft should drop off tremendously after the 1st round.

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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    If we trade out of the first round, I will cry.
    The talent level in this draft should drop off tremendously after the 1st round.
    It depends, there is never exactly 32 first round prospects, last year it seemed like there was first round talent until halfway down the second.

    32
    Phillip Merling
    DE
    Clemson
    Miami Dolphins
    33 Donnie Avery WR Houston St. Louis Rams
    34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State Washington Redskins
    35 Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech Kansas City Chiefs
    36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State Green Bay Packers
    37 Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma Atlanta Falcons
    38 John Carlson TE Notre Dame Seattle Seahawks
    39 Chilo Rachal G USC San Francisco 49ers
    40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana New Orleans Saints
    41 James Hardy WR Indiana Buffalo Bills
    42 Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech Denver Broncos
    43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State Minnesota Vikings
    44 Matt Forte RB Tulane Chicago Bears
    45 Jordon Dizon OLB Colorado Detroit Lions
    46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina Cincinnati Bengals
    47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame Philadelphia Eagles
    48 Fred Davis TE USC Washington Redskins
    49 DeSean Jackson WR California Philadelphia Eagles
    50 Calais Campbell DE Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
    51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma Washington Redskins
    52 Quentin Groves DE Auburn Jacksonville Jaguars
    53 Limas Sweed WR Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
    54 Jason Jones DE Eastern Michigan Tennessee Titans
    55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers Baltimore Ravens
    56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville Green Bay Packers
    57 Chad Henne QB Michigan Miami Dolphins
    58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    59 Mike Pollak T Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
    60 Patrick Lee CB Auburn Green Bay Packers
    61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M Dallas Cowboys
    62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado New England Patriots
    63 Terrell Thomas CB USC New York Giants

    There's last years 2nd round, a lot of good players in there. It all depends on whose left at 22 and what teams will offer to get them. I never have a problem with moving down 3-5 places and getting a 3rd or something of that nature.

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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    If we trade out of the first round, I will cry.
    The talent level in this draft should drop off tremendously after the 1st round.
    It depends, there is never exactly 32 first round prospects, last year it seemed like there was first round talent until halfway down the second.

    32
    Phillip Merling

    DE
    Clemson
    Miami Dolphins
    33 Donnie Avery WR Houston St. Louis Rams
    34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State Washington Redskins
    35 Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech Kansas City Chiefs
    36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State Green Bay Packers
    37 Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma Atlanta Falcons
    38 John Carlson TE Notre Dame Seattle Seahawks
    39 Chilo Rachal G USC San Francisco 49ers
    40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana New Orleans Saints
    41 James Hardy WR Indiana Buffalo Bills
    42 Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech Denver Broncos
    43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State Minnesota Vikings
    44 Matt Forte RB Tulane Chicago Bears
    45 Jordon Dizon OLB Colorado Detroit Lions
    46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina Cincinnati Bengals
    47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame Philadelphia Eagles
    48 Fred Davis TE USC Washington Redskins
    49 DeSean Jackson WR California Philadelphia Eagles
    50 Calais Campbell DE Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
    51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma Washington Redskins
    52 Quentin Groves DE Auburn Jacksonville Jaguars
    53 Limas Sweed WR Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
    54 Jason Jones DE Eastern Michigan Tennessee Titans
    55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers Baltimore Ravens
    56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville Green Bay Packers
    57 Chad Henne QB Michigan Miami Dolphins
    58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    59 Mike Pollak T Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
    60 Patrick Lee CB Auburn Green Bay Packers
    61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M Dallas Cowboys
    62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado New England Patriots
    63 Terrell Thomas CB USC New York Giants

    There's last years 2nd round, a lot of good players in there. It all depends on whose left at 22 and what teams will offer to get them. I never have a problem with moving down 3-5 places and getting a 3rd or something of that nature.
    The last 2 years were loaded with talent. This year is an off year.

    Name 5 Rb prosects? I'll wait
    Name 5 DE prospects with 1st round talents? I'll wait
    Name 3 Saftey prospects?

    This years has 2 Qbs and a possible third that lost ever game to Division 1 schools.
    Outside of Tackle, LB and CB it's a very weak draft.



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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    If we trade out of the first round, I will cry.
    The talent level in this draft should drop off tremendously after the 1st round.
    It depends, there is never exactly 32 first round prospects, last year it seemed like there was first round talent until halfway down the second.

    32
    Phillip Merling

    DE
    Clemson
    Miami Dolphins
    33 Donnie Avery WR Houston St. Louis Rams
    34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State Washington Redskins
    35 Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech Kansas City Chiefs
    36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State Green Bay Packers
    37 Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma Atlanta Falcons
    38 John Carlson TE Notre Dame Seattle Seahawks
    39 Chilo Rachal G USC San Francisco 49ers
    40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana New Orleans Saints
    41 James Hardy WR Indiana Buffalo Bills
    42 Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech Denver Broncos
    43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State Minnesota Vikings
    44 Matt Forte RB Tulane Chicago Bears
    45 Jordon Dizon OLB Colorado Detroit Lions
    46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina Cincinnati Bengals
    47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame Philadelphia Eagles
    48 Fred Davis TE USC Washington Redskins
    49 DeSean Jackson WR California Philadelphia Eagles
    50 Calais Campbell DE Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
    51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma Washington Redskins
    52 Quentin Groves DE Auburn Jacksonville Jaguars
    53 Limas Sweed WR Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
    54 Jason Jones DE Eastern Michigan Tennessee Titans
    55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers Baltimore Ravens
    56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville Green Bay Packers
    57 Chad Henne QB Michigan Miami Dolphins
    58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    59 Mike Pollak T Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
    60 Patrick Lee CB Auburn Green Bay Packers
    61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M Dallas Cowboys
    62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado New England Patriots
    63 Terrell Thomas CB USC New York Giants

    There's last years 2nd round, a lot of good players in there. It all depends on whose left at 22 and what teams will offer to get them. I never have a problem with moving down 3-5 places and getting a 3rd or something of that nature.
    The last 2 years were loaded with talent. This year is an off year.

    Name 5 Rb prosects? I'll wait
    Name 5 DE prospects with 1st round talents? I'll wait
    Name 3 Saftey prospects?

    This years has 2 Qbs and a possible third that lost ever game to Division 1 schools.
    Outside of Tackle, LB and CB it's a very weak draft.


    That is why I am leaning toward us drafting a CB. Because of a weak draft I wouldn't be surprised if we trade away our first pick to get another stud like Allen.

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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    If we trade out of the first round, I will cry.
    The talent level in this draft should drop off tremendously after the 1st round.
    It depends, there is never exactly 32 first round prospects, last year it seemed like there was first round talent until halfway down the second.

    32
    Phillip Merling

    DE
    Clemson
    Miami Dolphins
    33 Donnie Avery WR Houston St. Louis Rams
    34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State Washington Redskins
    35 Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech Kansas City Chiefs
    36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State Green Bay Packers
    37 Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma Atlanta Falcons
    38 John Carlson TE Notre Dame Seattle Seahawks
    39 Chilo Rachal G USC San Francisco 49ers
    40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana New Orleans Saints
    41 James Hardy WR Indiana Buffalo Bills
    42 Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech Denver Broncos
    43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State Minnesota Vikings
    44 Matt Forte RB Tulane Chicago Bears
    45 Jordon Dizon OLB Colorado Detroit Lions
    46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina Cincinnati Bengals
    47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame Philadelphia Eagles
    48 Fred Davis TE USC Washington Redskins
    49 DeSean Jackson WR California Philadelphia Eagles
    50 Calais Campbell DE Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
    51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma Washington Redskins
    52 Quentin Groves DE Auburn Jacksonville Jaguars
    53 Limas Sweed WR Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
    54 Jason Jones DE Eastern Michigan Tennessee Titans
    55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers Baltimore Ravens
    56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville Green Bay Packers
    57 Chad Henne QB Michigan Miami Dolphins
    58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    59 Mike Pollak T Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
    60 Patrick Lee CB Auburn Green Bay Packers
    61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M Dallas Cowboys
    62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado New England Patriots
    63 Terrell Thomas CB USC New York Giants

    There's last years 2nd round, a lot of good players in there. It all depends on whose left at 22 and what teams will offer to get them. I never have a problem with moving down 3-5 places and getting a 3rd or something of that nature.
    The last 2 years were loaded with talent. This year is an off year.

    Name 5 Rb prosects? I'll wait
    Name 5 DE prospects with 1st round talents? I'll wait
    Name 3 Saftey prospects?

    This years has 2 Qbs and a possible third that lost ever game to Division 1 schools.
    Outside of Tackle, LB and CB it's a very weak draft.


    You're even doom and gloom when it comes to the draft.

    It might not be as good but every year good players come out of every round of the draft. If we target a player that we can get 15 picks later, we better trade down.

    How did you feel we reached for players like we did with Williamson, TJ and Cook, instead of trading down.

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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    I think we should draft the BPA, stick with the QB and WR's we have, and fire Childress if they don't work out

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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    I honestly like the idea of trading out of the first round again this year. There are some good arguments for it and against it but it worked out pretty well last year. If you look at who is going to be available at 22 this year, it seems more and more like we aren't going to be drafting someone that will make a huge impact this year. IE a QB. If we trade out, we could possible pick up a free agent that will make this team win a superbowl NOW. We are 1 or 2 players away from being that team, and a 22nd overall draftpick isn't going to do it. However a QB, a RT, and/or one more decent WR could do it.

    If you look at who we have now at those positions, they just aren't cutting it. T-Jack... well there is 100 posts on that. Ryan Cook, should be a center and maybe he will be this year if Birk isn't back. And sidney Rice/B-Wade... both have played like pretty good number 3's but we coul def. use another playmaker ESPECIALLY if T-Jack is still our QB this year. Now if you look at the players we could get by trading that first rounder.... people like Gross, Derek Anderson, or Tj Whosyourmama could all help us out a lot more than a 22nd overall pick could... at least imo.

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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    If there's no first round pick, who can we accuse of being a bust?
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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    "Ltrey" wrote:
    If there's no first round pick, who can we accuse of being a bust?
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    Re: Trading out of the first round?

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    If we trade out of the first round, I will cry.
    The talent level in this draft should drop off tremendously after the 1st round.
    It depends, there is never exactly 32 first round prospects, last year it seemed like there was first round talent until halfway down the second.

    32
    Phillip Merling

    DE
    Clemson
    Miami Dolphins
    33 Donnie Avery WR Houston St. Louis Rams
    34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State Washington Redskins
    35 Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech Kansas City Chiefs
    36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State Green Bay Packers
    37 Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma Atlanta Falcons
    38 John Carlson TE Notre Dame Seattle Seahawks
    39 Chilo Rachal G USC San Francisco 49ers
    40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana New Orleans Saints
    41 James Hardy WR Indiana Buffalo Bills
    42 Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech Denver Broncos
    43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State Minnesota Vikings
    44 Matt Forte RB Tulane Chicago Bears
    45 Jordon Dizon OLB Colorado Detroit Lions
    46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina Cincinnati Bengals
    47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame Philadelphia Eagles
    48 Fred Davis TE USC Washington Redskins
    49 DeSean Jackson WR California Philadelphia Eagles
    50 Calais Campbell DE Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
    51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma Washington Redskins
    52 Quentin Groves DE Auburn Jacksonville Jaguars
    53 Limas Sweed WR Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
    54 Jason Jones DE Eastern Michigan Tennessee Titans
    55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers Baltimore Ravens
    56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville Green Bay Packers
    57 Chad Henne QB Michigan Miami Dolphins
    58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    59 Mike Pollak T Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
    60 Patrick Lee CB Auburn Green Bay Packers
    61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M Dallas Cowboys
    62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado New England Patriots
    63 Terrell Thomas CB USC New York Giants

    There's last years 2nd round, a lot of good players in there. It all depends on whose left at 22 and what teams will offer to get them. I never have a problem with moving down 3-5 places and getting a 3rd or something of that nature.
    The last 2 years were loaded with talent. This year is an off year.

    Name 5 Rb prosects? I'll wait
    Name 5 DE prospects with 1st round talents? I'll wait
    Name 3 Saftey prospects?

    This years has 2 Qbs and a possible third that lost ever game to Division 1 schools.
    Outside of Tackle, LB and CB it's a very weak draft.


    You're even doom and gloom when it comes to the draft.

    It might not be as good but every year good players come out of every round of the draft. If we target a player that we can get 15 picks later, we better trade down.

    How did you feel we reached for players like we did with Williamson, TJ and Cook, instead of trading down.
    I'm doom and gloom because I have the common sense to realize this is a weak draft year?
    SHM!
    I don't want us to trade out of the fisrt round, but it depends on where we land. Will it be a top 5
    2nd round pick and an extra 3rd? Then maybe. It all depends but I would like us to select a CB in the first with serious talents. These guys are supposed to be there.

    VONTAE DAVIS, CB
    DARRIUS HEYWARD-BEY, WR
    NICKS WR

    IF we do trade down to the 2nd
    MICHAEL JOHNSON, DE
    KENNY BRITT, WR
    Alphonso Smith CB

    While some of these guys will go late first - early 2nd. I think there is allstar talent at 23.
    Vonte Davis will be an excellent pick for us.

    How did I feel when we drafted williamson with the 7th pick. If you want to be honest, I wanted Derrick Johnson.
    I was upset as I had never really heard of Williamson( he's the reason I started following the pre- draft stuff a bit more)

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