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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

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    Noooooooo! I don't want a Michael Vick/Daunte Culpepper type QB on our team. I want a pocket passer who is capable of running the west-coast offense. I really don't think Zygi and company are dumb enough to do something like this anyway. The only QB worth trading up for in my opinion is Matt Leinart and that would cost us the farm.
    Okay I've had all I can stand with this vince young bashing! Vinceyoung as a cannon for an arm, had the highest passer completion rating in the NCAA (better then lienhart and Cutler) he can run just as well as Vick (and if you dont think that will help us go see a vick highlite reel(notice the best plays are when he ran for 182 yards on us, and beat us in overtime) And for the Culpepper Bashing out there see Peps stats in the Packers games. Young is going to be vick with a little less running ability and a better arm. Oh yeah and hears an fact for you. Vick's winning percentage (.697) is better than Peyton's (.681) and just below the NFL's golden boy Brady and the Super Bowl champion Patriots (.704).

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

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    IMHO, a QB that TRIES to do too much is any teams worst enemy.

    This leads to TOs which equates to losses.
    You must really hate Fran Tarkenton then.
    To stick up for myself and ejmat, there is almost always an exception to the rule.

    And.....

    The use of "YOU" is not a good word to put into your posts.

    Please state your own opinions without trying to put or attach me or any other PPOer to them.
    Here's some more "exceptions" just for you. Averages are interceptions per game.
    Marino (1.04 per game)
    Favre (1.13 per game)
    PManning (1.015 per game)
    KWarner (1.07 per game)

    Culpepper has 86 in 81 games, an average of 1.06 per game.

    I put you in bold print so you wouldn't have to take the time to it. Welcome to America where we have freedon of speech. It applies to me and you.

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

    Thanks Snow for the backup. I just wish the people in here would read entire posts and understand them before criticizing others and putting words in their mouths. It seems there are many people in here that do that.

    Jeremy, doing enough to win is not a myth. The Qb plays a big part in not giving up useless turnovers and getting good field position. If people know football the way they claim to, that's huge in the deciding factor of the game. A lot of people here care so much about stats. Sometimes it's the little things that count more than stats. Here's an example: Daunte Culpepper 2004, 39 TDs and 4717 yards. Record 9-9 including playoffs. You can redicule QBs such as Dilfer, BJ, Orton all you want. I don't I think they are great, in fact none of them will make the HOF. However, sometimes it doesn't take greatness. It takes intelligence and not trying to do more than you should. Yes, all 3 had great defenses. Huge contributor. But all 3 of those QBs did their part of capitalizing when the situation arises. I will tell you this. Dilfer was the only QB in the 1998 regular season to beat the Vikings. Don't say anything about TBs defense that game. The Vikings scored 24 points.

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

    Jeremy you are so mature. How old are you? 5?

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

    "ThePurpleCow" wrote:
    "NeoVikesTX" wrote:
    Noooooooo! I don't want a Michael Vick/Daunte Culpepper type QB on our team. I want a pocket passer who is capable of running the west-coast offense. I really don't think Zygi and company are dumb enough to do something like this anyway. The only QB worth trading up for in my opinion is Matt Leinart and that would cost us the farm.
    Okay I've had all I can stand with this vince young bashing! Vinceyoung as a cannon for an arm, had the highest passer completion rating in the NCAA (better then lienhart and Cutler) he can run just as well as Vick (and if you dont think that will help us go see a vick highlite reel(notice the best plays are when he ran for 182 yards on us, and beat us in overtime) And for the Culpepper Bashing out there see Peps stats in the Packers games. Young is going to be vick with a little less running ability and a better arm. Oh yeah and hears an fact for you. Vick's winning percentage (.697) is better than Peyton's (.681) and just below the NFL's golden boy Brady and the Super Bowl champion Patriots (.704).

    Just a fun stat ... I just watched a skills competition on ESPN in Miami before the combine. The QB challenge was who could throw it the farthest. Croyle won with 68 yds, Vince second with 63 yds, Olson from UCLA with 61 yds and Whitehurst with 59 yds (recovering from shoulder surgery) ... just an FYI out of 3 attempts ... Croyle was accurate and deep with the long ball, where Vince was all over the place with it. For what it's worth.

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

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    Sure the ability to run has advantages even in the WCO but I love the way Steve Young is mentioned as one of the greatest WCO QBs and he could run too but everyone seems to forget he took over from Joe Montana who if he ran for more than 5 yrds would slide asap! In my opinion he would be the greatest WC QB. He was a master at quick short accurate passes and spreading the passes throughout the team (Tom Rathman the FB became an excellent receiver).

    Of course rushing is great as Steve Young proved but quick reading of 'D' and intelligence in a WC QB is far more important.
    Montana wasn't much of a scrambler but he was mobile and was one of the best ever at throwing on the run.
    Very true, one of my fav QBs I was a 49er fan coz of him....before my mate convinced me to to the purple (a truly great friend!)

    my point was that the west coast offence doesn't need a scrambler as short dump passes to rbs and fbs can replace that......but if your QB can run it's always a bonus as long as they judge the time to run and the time to pass.

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

    "ThePurpleCow" wrote:
    "NeoVikesTX" wrote:
    Noooooooo! I don't want a Michael Vick/Daunte Culpepper type QB on our team. I want a pocket passer who is capable of running the west-coast offense. I really don't think Zygi and company are dumb enough to do something like this anyway. The only QB worth trading up for in my opinion is Matt Leinart and that would cost us the farm.
    Okay I've had all I can stand with this vince young bashing! Vinceyoung as a cannon for an arm, had the highest passer completion rating in the NCAA (better then lienhart and Cutler) he can run just as well as Vick (and if you dont think that will help us go see a vick highlite reel(notice the best plays are when he ran for 182 yards on us, and beat us in overtime) And for the Culpepper Bashing out there see Peps stats in the Packers games. Young is going to be vick with a little less running ability and a better arm. Oh yeah and hears an fact for you. Vick's winning percentage (.697) is better than Peyton's (.681) and just below the NFL's golden boy Brady and the Super Bowl champion Patriots (.704).



    I think you just proved everyone's point there. Winning percentage and yards are good and all, but with some QB's it only takes you so far. With other QB's, they can take you farther in the playoffs and poss. the Super Bowl ... Game management skills vs. Pure Athletic abilities. Sometimes it just comes down to unmeasureable intangeibles. With the WCO, I take Cutler myself or Croyle ... just IMO.

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

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    Thanks Snow for the backup. I just wish the people in here would read entire posts and understand them before criticizing others and putting words in their mouths. It seems there are many people in here that do that.

    Jeremy, doing enough to win is not a myth. The Qb plays a big part in not giving up useless turnovers and getting good field position. If people know football the way they claim to, that's huge in the deciding factor of the game. A lot of people here care so much about stats. Sometimes it's the little things that count more than stats. Here's an example: Daunte Culpepper 2004, 39 TDs and 4717 yards. Record 9-9 including playoffs. You can redicule QBs such as Dilfer, BJ, Orton all you want. I don't I think they are great, in fact none of them will make the HOF. However, sometimes it doesn't take greatness. It takes intelligence and not trying to do more than you should. Yes, all 3 had great defenses. Huge contributor. But all 3 of those QBs did their part of capitalizing when the situation arises. I will tell you this. Dilfer was the only QB in the 1998 regular season to beat the Vikings. Don't say anything about TBs defense that game. The Vikings scored 24 points.
    Vikings lost games in 04' because the defense sucked. Try to look at teams as a whole not just the QB.

    Dilfer beat the Vikings? I didn't know there was a team called the Tampa Bay Dilfer's. I'll say something about defense in the Bucs game. How do you let that offense score more than 24 points? They were not that good offensively.

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

    "ThePurpleCow" wrote:
    "NeoVikesTX" wrote:
    Noooooooo! I don't want a Michael Vick/Daunte Culpepper type QB on our team. I want a pocket passer who is capable of running the west-coast offense. I really don't think Zygi and company are dumb enough to do something like this anyway. The only QB worth trading up for in my opinion is Matt Leinart and that would cost us the farm.
    Okay I've had all I can stand with this vince young bashing! Vinceyoung as a cannon for an arm, had the highest passer completion rating in the NCAA (better then lienhart and Cutler) he can run just as well as Vick (and if you dont think that will help us go see a vick highlite reel(notice the best plays are when he ran for 182 yards on us, and beat us in overtime) And for the Culpepper Bashing out there see Peps stats in the Packers games. Young is going to be vick with a little less running ability and a better arm. Oh yeah and hears an fact for you. Vick's winning percentage (.697) is better than Peyton's (.681) and just below the NFL's golden boy Brady and the Super Bowl champion Patriots (.704).
    Antother guy just coming on here and making sh!t up and thinking he can get away with it.
    It is not hard to look up games started and records in such games ... and while a love Vick ... dont make crap up for no reason.
    Just to clear it up ...
    Tom Brady has 78 starts, 58-20 ... a .744 winning percentage (10-1 in playoffs)
    Peyton Manning is 80-48 in starts (48-16 in last four years) a .625 winning percentage and is 3-6 in playoffs
    Donovan McNabb (for arguments sake) is 60-28 in starts and 7-5 in playoffs ... regular season winning percentage of .682
    MICHAEL VICK is 31-19-1 for a winning percentage of .608 if you count the tie (he didn't win afterall) or .620 if you don't ... that is WORSE than Roethlisberger, Brady, Manning and McNabb ...
    I love Vick and agree that his a winner ... but I still don't make stuff up to prove a point ... you should try not to either ... it makes it tougher on the rest of us who actually agree with you.
    By the way you say look at stats in one line for C-Pepp but dont mention that he is one of few four+ year starters in the league with a winning percentage of LESS than .500 (38-42 ... .475)

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    Re: Todd McShay article - Vikes to trade up for Vince Young?

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    Jeremy you are so mature. How old are you? 5?
    Don't put the word "YOU" in your posts or that other guy will scold "YOU" like a kindergarden teacher.

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