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    Re: Team Needs (Pre Draft/FA Period)

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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090624
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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090618
    My post was directed at dfoster. he said we should draft him in the fourth (our third pick)
    Then why didn't you quote him instead of quoting me?
    I didn't quote anybody

    Quick question, would you rather have A guy like Janikowski, longest leg in the game, or somebody like Shayne graham, shorter, but 100% accurate this season (Was going to say Longwell, who was 2nd most accurate this season, but I know you'd opt for Janikowski in that situation)
    First, where did you get that Shortwell was 2nd most accurate in the league this year?
    93% nfl.com is your friend
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&statisticCategory=FIELD_GOALS& d-447263-s=KICKING_FG_PCT&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2010&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=0& d-447263-p=1

    Top 5 kickers by %
    Graham - 100%
    Longwell - 94%
    Suisham - 93%
    Vinateiri - 93%
    Bironas - 92%
    I think he was in the mid 80's wasn't he with respect to precentage.
    You think incorrectly

    As to why I wish we had someone who can get it in the endzone, you have to remember that to get it past even the 5 yard line, Shortwells hang time is reduced, which in turns reduces the time that our coverage teams have to beat their blocks and fill their lanes.

    When you look at how the play calling changes when a team starts from the 20 or behind, as apposed to the 30 and beyond, it is a alot more important, to a team that isn't gonna score alot of points on offense, to give their defense a chance to stop teams from putting up 3 or 6(7) than to keep a "Accurate" kicker on the bench who, because his offense never gets past the 50, isn't kicking FG's.
    Or maybe, if our Offense could sustain half a drive, we'd get more chances to kick.

    But I'll play.

    Our average starting position given up on kickoffs is the 31.6 yard line.

    That's based on a 62.3 yard kick average by Longwell, and a 23.9 yard return average.

    While not great, it's hardly worth giving up a sure thing with field goals for 5 extra yards. The best kicker for distance, Billy Cundiff, 71.1 yard average distance, 26 yard return average, average starting position of 24.9.

    That's roughly 6 yards. Not worth it. We tried it with Lloyd. He sucked.


    How many times has Longwell made clutch kicks to win games? Quite a few.
    How many times have other teams you've watched had clutch kicks, and watched their dime a dozen kicker boot it 60 yards wide right? Also quite a few. Steelers dime a dozen kicker booted one into the mens room during the superbowl. Crosby makes a habit of missing clutch kicks, but he's got one hell of a leg.

    Scobee.. 100% inside 40, 64% in 40-49 yarders. Those are some of the most important kicks. They can make the difference between a team starting in great position, or you getting 3 points.
    Haven't we gone over this enough in the Shortwell thread?

    Again, this thread is about the draft this year.

    If you want to talk Shortwell, go pull that one up and I will go over each and every stat you just used in this thread.

    (On a side note, this is why I don't like EX PUKER players. Everyone wants to turn everything into a discussion about them. Haven't we had enough? Lets move on.)
    yes, that's it. Other players mean nothing, only Ex Packer players get talked about. That's probably why we DON'T have massive threads about players like TJ, Tahi, Allen, etc.

    Fact is, somebody brought up kickers. Since we only have one current kicker, naturally his name gets brought up. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Packer, and nobody even mentioned that fact until you did. Just how when Favre's name comes up ina thread, you automatically accuse us of turning it into a "Noodle" thread just because you don't like him.

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    Re: Team Needs (Pre Draft/FA Period)

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090651
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1090626
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090624
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1090623
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090618
    My post was directed at dfoster. he said we should draft him in the fourth (our third pick)
    Then why didn't you quote him instead of quoting me?
    I didn't quote anybody

    Quick question, would you rather have A guy like Janikowski, longest leg in the game, or somebody like Shayne graham, shorter, but 100% accurate this season (Was going to say Longwell, who was 2nd most accurate this season, but I know you'd opt for Janikowski in that situation)
    First, where did you get that Shortwell was 2nd most accurate in the league this year?
    93% nfl.com is your friend
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&statisticCategory=FIELD_GOALS& d-447263-s=KICKING_FG_PCT&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2010&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=0& d-447263-p=1

    Top 5 kickers by %
    Graham - 100%
    Longwell - 94%
    Suisham - 93%
    Vinateiri - 93%
    Bironas - 92%
    I think he was in the mid 80's wasn't he with respect to precentage.
    You think incorrectly

    As to why I wish we had someone who can get it in the endzone, you have to remember that to get it past even the 5 yard line, Shortwells hang time is reduced, which in turns reduces the time that our coverage teams have to beat their blocks and fill their lanes.

    When you look at how the play calling changes when a team starts from the 20 or behind, as apposed to the 30 and beyond, it is a alot more important, to a team that isn't gonna score alot of points on offense, to give their defense a chance to stop teams from putting up 3 or 6(7) than to keep a "Accurate" kicker on the bench who, because his offense never gets past the 50, isn't kicking FG's.
    Or maybe, if our Offense could sustain half a drive, we'd get more chances to kick.

    But I'll play.

    Our average starting position given up on kickoffs is the 31.6 yard line.

    That's based on a 62.3 yard kick average by Longwell, and a 23.9 yard return average.

    While not great, it's hardly worth giving up a sure thing with field goals for 5 extra yards. The best kicker for distance, Billy Cundiff, 71.1 yard average distance, 26 yard return average, average starting position of 24.9.

    That's roughly 6 yards. Not worth it. We tried it with Lloyd. He sucked.


    How many times has Longwell made clutch kicks to win games? Quite a few.
    How many times have other teams you've watched had clutch kicks, and watched their dime a dozen kicker boot it 60 yards wide right? Also quite a few. Steelers dime a dozen kicker booted one into the mens room during the superbowl. Crosby makes a habit of missing clutch kicks, but he's got one hell of a leg.

    Scobee.. 100% inside 40, 64% in 40-49 yarders. Those are some of the most important kicks. They can make the difference between a team starting in great position, or you getting 3 points.
    Haven't we gone over this enough in the Shortwell thread?

    Again, this thread is about the draft this year.

    If you want to talk Shortwell, go pull that one up and I will go over each and every stat you just used in this thread.

    (On a side note, this is why I don't like EX PUKER players. Everyone wants to turn everything into a discussion about them. Haven't we had enough? Lets move on.)
    yes, that's it. Other players mean nothing, only Ex Packer players get talked about. That's probably why we DON'T have massive threads about players like TJ, Tahi, Allen, etc.

    Fact is, somebody brought up kickers. Since we only have one current kicker, naturally his name gets brought up. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Packer, and nobody even mentioned that fact until you did. Just how when Favre's name comes up ina thread, you automatically accuse us of turning it into a "Noodle" thread just because you don't like him.
    I am not going to make any comments other than this string of posts is way more entertaining than any sit com on TV right now.:woohoo:

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    Re: Team Needs (Pre Draft/FA Period)

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1090670
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090651
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1090626
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090624
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1090623
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1090618
    My post was directed at dfoster. he said we should draft him in the fourth (our third pick)
    Then why didn't you quote him instead of quoting me?
    I didn't quote anybody

    Quick question, would you rather have A guy like Janikowski, longest leg in the game, or somebody like Shayne graham, shorter, but 100% accurate this season (Was going to say Longwell, who was 2nd most accurate this season, but I know you'd opt for Janikowski in that situation)
    First, where did you get that Shortwell was 2nd most accurate in the league this year?
    93% nfl.com is your friend
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&statisticCategory=FIELD_GOALS& d-447263-s=KICKING_FG_PCT&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2010&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=0& d-447263-p=1

    Top 5 kickers by %
    Graham - 100%
    Longwell - 94%
    Suisham - 93%
    Vinateiri - 93%
    Bironas - 92%
    I think he was in the mid 80's wasn't he with respect to precentage.
    You think incorrectly

    As to why I wish we had someone who can get it in the endzone, you have to remember that to get it past even the 5 yard line, Shortwells hang time is reduced, which in turns reduces the time that our coverage teams have to beat their blocks and fill their lanes.

    When you look at how the play calling changes when a team starts from the 20 or behind, as apposed to the 30 and beyond, it is a alot more important, to a team that isn't gonna score alot of points on offense, to give their defense a chance to stop teams from putting up 3 or 6(7) than to keep a "Accurate" kicker on the bench who, because his offense never gets past the 50, isn't kicking FG's.
    Or maybe, if our Offense could sustain half a drive, we'd get more chances to kick.

    But I'll play.

    Our average starting position given up on kickoffs is the 31.6 yard line.

    That's based on a 62.3 yard kick average by Longwell, and a 23.9 yard return average.

    While not great, it's hardly worth giving up a sure thing with field goals for 5 extra yards. The best kicker for distance, Billy Cundiff, 71.1 yard average distance, 26 yard return average, average starting position of 24.9.

    That's roughly 6 yards. Not worth it. We tried it with Lloyd. He sucked.


    How many times has Longwell made clutch kicks to win games? Quite a few.
    How many times have other teams you've watched had clutch kicks, and watched their dime a dozen kicker boot it 60 yards wide right? Also quite a few. Steelers dime a dozen kicker booted one into the mens room during the superbowl. Crosby makes a habit of missing clutch kicks, but he's got one hell of a leg.

    Scobee.. 100% inside 40, 64% in 40-49 yarders. Those are some of the most important kicks. They can make the difference between a team starting in great position, or you getting 3 points.
    Haven't we gone over this enough in the Shortwell thread?

    Again, this thread is about the draft this year.

    If you want to talk Shortwell, go pull that one up and I will go over each and every stat you just used in this thread.

    (On a side note, this is why I don't like EX PUKER players. Everyone wants to turn everything into a discussion about them. Haven't we had enough? Lets move on.)
    yes, that's it. Other players mean nothing, only Ex Packer players get talked about. That's probably why we DON'T have massive threads about players like TJ, Tahi, Allen, etc.

    Fact is, somebody brought up kickers. Since we only have one current kicker, naturally his name gets brought up. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Packer, and nobody even mentioned that fact until you did. Just how when Favre's name comes up ina thread, you automatically accuse us of turning it into a "Noodle" thread just because you don't like him.
    I am not going to make any comments other than this string of posts is way more entertaining than any sit com on TV right now.:woohoo:
    Anything to derail a thread and stear it back to the normal crap a few on here just can't seem to give up.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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