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    I should mention that the Vikings can't pick up a top tier OL in free agency because they would likely have to compete with the other teams that paid $49M for their free agent OL acquisitions recently.
    Paying too much for a free agent OL would automatically guarantee the $49M contract of Hutch.
    While I don't have a problem with his $49M contract, if he were seriously injured AFTER the contract were guaranteed, the Vikings would have to eat the entire remainder of the contract, and it would count against the salary cap for several more years.

    So, the Vikings made a great move with the Hutch deal, and re-signing McKinnie during the middle of the season, perhaps sensing the market value escalation for OL that we've just seen.
    But now they are constrained by that contract in finding a new RG and RT.
    That means sticking with Cook as RT and backup C for 3-4 more years, and finding an upgrade at RG who is less expensive than $7M per year.

    When we stop to think about it, most folks behavior isn't perplexing after all !

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    "Purplexing" wrote:
    I should mention that the Vikings can't pick up a top tier OL in free agency because they would likely have to compete with the other teams that paid $49M for their free agent OL acquisitions recently.
    Paying too much for a free agent OL would automatically guarantee the $49M contract of Hutch.
    While I don't have a problem with his $49M contract, if he were seriously injured AFTER the contract were guaranteed, the Vikings would have to eat the entire remainder of the contract, and it would count against the salary cap for several more years.

    So, the Vikings made a great move with the Hutch deal, and re-signing McKinnie during the middle of the season, perhaps sensing the market value escalation for OL that we've just seen.
    But now they are constrained by that contract in finding a new RG and RT.
    That means sticking with Cook as RT and backup C for 3-4 more years, and finding an upgrade at RG who is less expensive than $7M per year.

    well the OL that are left on the market are not gonna come at the price of 7million a year.
    not to mention a long term deal.
    there's still some solid bodies out there and they could probably ink one for reasonable money and at most a 3 year deal, if even.
    but they aren't pushing it so maybe they just love these guys and have some excuses for their poor play at times.
    who knows.
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    Sure, there are solid bodies out there (who are OL).

    But are they REALLY THAT MUCH better than Cook, Herrera, Hicks, and Johnson?

    And, do those solid bodies come at a cost equal to or less than the 4 above?

    So, what sense is there in signing someone of marginally better talent at a HIGHER salary { even $1 higher! ) when the 4 roster players already know (most if not all of) the OL schemes?

    I think an OL drafted in a late round may suffice to upgrade at RG, or for overall depth.
    When we stop to think about it, most folks behavior isn't perplexing after all !

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    "Purplexing" wrote:
    Sure, there are solid bodies out there (who are OL).

    But are they REALLY THAT MUCH better than Cook, Herrera, Hicks, and Johnson?

    And, do those solid bodies come at a cost equal to or less than the 4 above?

    So, what sense is there in signing someone of marginally better talent at a HIGHER salary { even $1 higher! ) when the 4 roster players already know (most if not all of) the OL schemes?

    I think an OL drafted in a late round may suffice to upgrade at RG, or for overall depth.
    well if you ask what the sense is, it's too improve inconsistent play.
    we really dont know what we have in johnson and cook, and if they are beating out the other guys it probably doesn't bode well for what kinda players they are.
    you must admit it is risky having both cook and johnson as your starters, if that is the case, without much depth.
    if we gotta turn to hicks we know that's trouble cuz he sucked.
    we have the money and don't have to overpay.
    there's gotta be one guy in the group that's out there, if not two, that are more stable than what we got.
    and really it's for the sake of tavaris, cuz teams attacked us from that side.
    not to mention mckinney still gets beat so if the right tackle spot is shaky also we might start seeing fumbles in the likes of culpepper proportion
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    Goodness grief!

    Another great member!
    We have had some good ones come along lately!

    Great post friend!
    Keep them coming....PLEASE!

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    Gotta agree with Purp here.

    But are they REALLY THAT MUCH better than Cook, Herrera, Hicks, and Johnson?

    And, do those solid bodies come at a cost equal to or less than the 4 above?

    there's gotta be one guy in the group that's out there, if not two, that are more stable than what we go
    Which ones do you recommend?

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    Re: Team Needs

    "Purplexing" wrote:


    I think an OL drafted in a late round may suffice to upgrade at RG, or for overall depth.
    That's exactly what I would like to see. But no later than the first pick on day 2.
    Improved line play is critical to the offense no matter who the QB is.
    I like Herrera and know Cook will need to improve. But I have little faith in Johnson and no faith in Hicks.
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    Re: Team Needs

    Our biggest weakness on this team is at wr, plain and simple!! We should trade our first and second and move up to take CJ. I believe the Lions will shop their pick. I dont know exact value for each pick, so may need more than those 2 picks. But I truly believe that Cj is a cant miss stud!!!
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    WR solution:
    EITHER move up to take CJ

    OR

    Trade DOWN and take TWO WR prospects with our first two picks, then a solid OL prospect with the other 2nd rounder that we will get by trading down.
    Backups on Defense with the rest of the picks.
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    "Purplexing" wrote:
    I should mention that the Vikings can't pick up a top tier OL in free agency because they would likely have to compete with the other teams that paid $49M for their free agent OL acquisitions recently.
    Paying too much for a free agent OL would automatically guarantee the $49M contract of Hutch.
    While I don't have a problem with his $49M contract, if he were seriously injured AFTER the contract were guaranteed, the Vikings would have to eat the entire remainder of the contract, and it would count against the salary cap for several more years.

    So, the Vikings made a great move with the Hutch deal, and re-signing McKinnie during the middle of the season, perhaps sensing the market value escalation for OL that we've just seen.
    But now they are constrained by that contract in finding a new RG and RT.
    That means sticking with Cook as RT and backup C for 3-4 more years, and finding an upgrade at RG who is less expensive than $7M per year.


    I remember from a while ago that, the clause in Hutch's contract, where he had to be the highest paid o-line or the contract was fully guaranteed was only for last season.Correct me if im wrong. It was reported on one of the local papers sites i beleive. It was a pretty big deal seeing as McKinnie was in his contract year.

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