Thread: Spielmans Draft History
04-19-2011, 11:03 PM #11
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094063“What takes a quarterback to the next level is not arm strength or mobility or any of that stuff. It’s the ability to play on critical downs. Manage third downs, or red zones or four-minute or two-minute situations"
04-20-2011, 02:59 PM #12
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Re: Spielmans Draft History
Lets see what Speilman can do with a "new" team around him.. His resume is definatly not good..
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04-20-2011, 05:26 PM #13
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094063
One thing to consider though, very few teams draft stars with every pick. Hitting on 50 percent of players is pretty good considering what some other GM's have done in the past.
Again, the stars aside, he has hit on several kids that have played for alot of years is nothing to sneeze at.
I should take this to the next level and look at what he had for scouts while he was at Miami as apposed to the scouts he has working for him here.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-20-2011, 05:27 PM #14
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1094101Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-20-2011, 05:29 PM #15
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "skum" #1094164
I will run up their picks and see if they get close to 50%ish.
On a side note, anyone can give me a name or two, but if your going to do the research and see if he is better/worse than 50% just put it in here.
(On a side note.....Props to Mr. A for the great idea. I think this can become a interesting thread as we look at what other GM's do, compared to what our VP of Player Personnel does).Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-21-2011, 01:33 PM #16
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094193
One thing I question, however, is your criteria for "hit" or "Miss". IMO, just because a guy is in the NFL for 4 years doesn't make him a hit. No one drafts for roster filler...not intentionally.
The real criteria should be if they became regular starters somewhere...even if it wasn't where they were drafted.
For example: Jackson has been on the roster for 5 years...most of us don't consider him a "Hit" (Yes, I know he wasn't part of Spielman's group).
Now, I grant you that that is a lot more research than your quick-list, but I believe that those results would be a far greater indicator of Rick's ability to spot legitimate NFL talent.
Of course, that list would have to be split - to be fair, it would have to include his Miami and Minnesota years as separate events due to different Scout groups. But, since Rick used to be a scout, his ability to pull a winner from available data should be calculable.
Also, Spielman was Miami's GM in '04...shouldn't those draftee's be included as well?
04-21-2011, 09:23 PM #17
Re: Spielmans Draft History
I like this thread, but I would debate what is a hit or miss.
It is tough to call someone like Jaymar Johnson a "miss" ... he simply wasn't a hit ... but when drafted I think most felt he had an outside shot of making any sort of an impact.
Also ... Andrae Allison had some solid production for a year or two ... that is not really a "miss" in the fifth round.
Definitely a tough thing to grade what a hit or miss is though.
I would say ... he has shown success in picking in the first three rounds ... and that is where your money is made.
04-21-2011, 10:12 PM #18
Re: Spielmans Draft History
I will like to point out that we do not draft BPA. The only time we have done so was with AP. We Draft for need. time and time again.
Chris Cook DB - Injuried Griffen
Toby Gerhart RB - CT left
Everson Griffin DE - Edwards FA
Chris DeGeare G - No backup
Nathan Triplett LB
Percy Harvin WR Need Talent at the WR Position
Phil Loadholt T Needed a new RT
Asher Allen DB Need Cb
Jasper Brinkley LB No backup MLB
Jamarca Sanford DB Needed a safety
Tyrell Johnson DB Needed a Safety to replace Sharper(aging)
John David Booty QB - Needed a QB
Letroy Guion DT - No Backup to Pat and Kevin
John Sullivan C - Getting Ride of Birk
Jaymar Johnson WR needed Wrs
Adrian Peterson RB BPA
Sidney Rice WR - Needed WR
Marcus McCauley DB Need CBS
Brian Robison DE Need PR
04-21-2011, 10:43 PM #19
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "kevoncox" #1094328
Either way, you can make anyone's draft board look like they're picking by need if you do it that way. I could just as easily say we picked by need on the Peterson selection too. Mewelde Moore had 130 yards in 2006, we needed a new backup RB. There, did it.
04-21-2011, 11:21 PM #20
Re: Spielmans Draft HistoryOriginally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094332
And considering all teams "need" Adrian Peterson when the best they got is CT ... that makes sense. Not like we had Portis running for 1500 yards or Tomlinson or Alexander running for 25+ TDs here ... for the scheme that Childress wanted ... we NEEDED a great RB, not just a solid one.
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