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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

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    OK, Mr. A brought up a good discussion point in another thread that I spent a little (very little) researching to see what it would bring.

    Using Draft History.com to find out who he had a hand in drafting and Football Reference DB to find out how many years they played, the following applies.

    73 Players Drafted
    31 Hits (16 were defensive Mr. A)
    32 Misses
    10 N/A's (These are guys on the Vikings roster now)

    2010
    Chris Cook DB N/A
    Toby Gerhart RB N/A
    Everson Griffin DE N/A
    Chris DeGeare G N/A
    Nathan Triplett LB N/A
    Joe Webb QB N/A
    Mickey Shuler TE N/A
    Ryan D'Imperio LB N/A
    2009
    Percy Harvin WR Hit
    Phil Loadholt T Hit
    Asher Allen DB Hit
    Jasper Brinkley LB Hit
    Jamarca Sanford DB Hit
    2008
    Tyrell Johnson DB N/A
    John David Booty QB N/A
    Letroy Guion DT Hit
    John Sullivan C Hit
    Jaymar Johnson WR Miss
    2007
    Adrian Peterson RB Hit
    Sidney Rice WR Hit
    Marcus McCauley DB Miss
    Brian Robison DE Hit
    Aundrae Allison WR Miss
    Rufus Alexander LB Miss
    Tyler Thigpen QB Hit
    Chandler Williams WR Miss
    2003
    Eddie Moore LB Miss
    Wade Smith T Hit
    Taylor Whitley G Miss
    Donald Lee TE Hit
    J.R. Tolver WR Miss
    Corey Jenkins DB Miss
    Tim Provost T Miss
    Yeremiah Bell DB Hit
    Davern Williams DT Miss
    2002
    Seth McKinney C Hit
    Randy McMichael TE Hit
    Omare Lowe DB Hit
    Sam Simmons WR Miss
    Leonard Henry RB Miss
    2001
    Jamar Fletcher DB Hit
    Chris Chambers WR Hit
    Travis Minor RB Hit
    Morlon Greenwood LB Hit
    Shawn Draper T Miss
    Brandon Winey T Miss
    Josh Heupel QB Miss
    Otis Leverette DE Hit
    Rick Crowell LB Miss
    2000
    Todd Wade T Hit
    Ben Kelly DB Miss
    Deon Dyer RB Miss
    Arturo Freeman DB Hit
    Ernest Grant DT Miss
    Jeff Harris DB Miss
    1999
    J.J. Johnson RB Miss
    Rob Konrad RB Hit
    Grey Ruegamer C Hit
    Cecil Collins RB Miss
    Bryan Jones LB Miss
    Brent Bartholomew P Miss
    Jermaine Haley DT Hit
    Joe Wong G Miss
    1998
    John Avery RB Miss
    Patrick Surtain DB Hit
    Kenny Mixon DE Hit
    Brad Jackson LB Hit
    Larry Shannon WR Miss
    Lorenzo Bromell DT Hit
    Scott Shaw G Miss
    Nathan Strikwerda C Miss
    John Dutton QB Miss
    Jim Bundren G Miss
    What I found more interesting than if he was successfull with defensive or offensive players (as Mr. A pondered), was how bad he was at resigning players.

    Alot of the guys that are on this list suprised me that they started their career in Miami.

    Doesn't bode well for us that are hoping he resigns our key players this year.
    Good god there are alot of nobody's on that list. Doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence.
    Just because you don't know there name doesn't mean the can't play ball.

    Again, I went through this pretty fast. Criteria for a hit was to be in the league for 4 years or more, to be a miss was, well, less than that.
    Well, I just said nobody's, not bad or good players. Just nobody's.

    I assume you went in order of rounds? so the top picks are:

    Cook
    Harvin
    Johnson
    Peterson
    Eddie Moore
    Seth McKinney
    Jamar Fletcher
    Todd Wade
    JJ Johnson
    John Avery

    Outside of Vikings, that's a pretty sad group of players.
    LOL, you slay me.

    I wasn't saying he was some sort of guru drafter my friend. I just wanted to see who he drafted and if they were successfull with a minor interest into how many were on the defensive side of the ball or offensive side of the ball.

    Why ohhhhhhh whyyyyyyyy are you now trying to turn this into something other than that.
    And I"m not accusing you of that, I'm simply stating facts.

    Spielman has sucked at drafting. Outside of hitting with our top picks, and the odd good player like Donald Lee, Chris Chambers or Patrick Surtain (really the only decent players who aren't vikings on that list) his drafting record is god-awful. Alot of mediocre players can stay in the league for 4+ years, and when they highlight your draft classes, that's rough.

    Simply stating that, not accusing you of anything.
    Even worse for Spielman, we all know that Childress made all those Vikings picks!
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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Lets see what Speilman can do with a "new" team around him.. His resume is definatly not good..


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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094063
    And I"m not accusing you of that, I'm simply stating facts.

    Spielman has sucked at drafting. Outside of hitting with our top picks, and the odd good player like Donald Lee, Chris Chambers or Patrick Surtain (really the only decent players who aren't vikings on that list) his drafting record is god-awful. Alot of mediocre players can stay in the league for 4+ years, and when they highlight your draft classes, that's rough.

    Simply stating that, not accusing you of anything.
    Alright, I can live with that.

    One thing to consider though, very few teams draft stars with every pick. Hitting on 50 percent of players is pretty good considering what some other GM's have done in the past.

    Again, the stars aside, he has hit on several kids that have played for alot of years is nothing to sneeze at.

    I should take this to the next level and look at what he had for scouts while he was at Miami as apposed to the scouts he has working for him here.
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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1094101
    Even worse for Spielman, we all know that Childress made all those Vikings picks!
    Well played sir, well played indeed. :laugh:
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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Quote Originally Posted by "skum" #1094164
    Lets see what Speilman can do with a "new" team around him.. His resume is definatly not good..
    Please don't take this as I'm sticking up for Ricky boy (as I'm sure bleed and Caine will) but give me a couple of other GM's you consider good at drafting.

    I will run up their picks and see if they get close to 50%ish.

    On a side note, anyone can give me a name or two, but if your going to do the research and see if he is better/worse than 50% just put it in here.

    (On a side note.....Props to Mr. A for the great idea. I think this can become a interesting thread as we look at what other GM's do, compared to what our VP of Player Personnel does).
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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094193
    Quote Originally Posted by "skum" #1094164
    Lets see what Speilman can do with a "new" team around him.. His resume is definatly not good..
    Please don't take this as I'm sticking up for Ricky boy (as I'm sure bleed and Caine will) but give me a couple of other GM's you consider good at drafting.

    I will run up their picks and see if they get close to 50%ish.

    On a side note, anyone can give me a name or two, but if your going to do the research and see if he is better/worse than 50% just put it in here.

    (On a side note.....Props to Mr. A for the great idea. I think this can become a interesting thread as we look at what other GM's do, compared to what our VP of Player Personnel does).
    Didn't look like "sticking up for" anyone...looked like a list. That's it.

    One thing I question, however, is your criteria for "hit" or "Miss". IMO, just because a guy is in the NFL for 4 years doesn't make him a hit. No one drafts for roster filler...not intentionally.

    The real criteria should be if they became regular starters somewhere...even if it wasn't where they were drafted.

    For example: Jackson has been on the roster for 5 years...most of us don't consider him a "Hit" (Yes, I know he wasn't part of Spielman's group).

    Now, I grant you that that is a lot more research than your quick-list, but I believe that those results would be a far greater indicator of Rick's ability to spot legitimate NFL talent.

    Of course, that list would have to be split - to be fair, it would have to include his Miami and Minnesota years as separate events due to different Scout groups. But, since Rick used to be a scout, his ability to pull a winner from available data should be calculable.

    Also, Spielman was Miami's GM in '04...shouldn't those draftee's be included as well?

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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    I like this thread, but I would debate what is a hit or miss.

    It is tough to call someone like Jaymar Johnson a "miss" ... he simply wasn't a hit ... but when drafted I think most felt he had an outside shot of making any sort of an impact.

    Also ... Andrae Allison had some solid production for a year or two ... that is not really a "miss" in the fifth round.

    Definitely a tough thing to grade what a hit or miss is though.

    I would say ... he has shown success in picking in the first three rounds ... and that is where your money is made.

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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    I will like to point out that we do not draft BPA. The only time we have done so was with AP. We Draft for need. time and time again.

    2010
    Chris Cook DB - Injuried Griffen
    Toby Gerhart RB - CT left
    Everson Griffin DE - Edwards FA
    Chris DeGeare G - No backup
    Nathan Triplett LB

    2009
    Percy Harvin WR Need Talent at the WR Position
    Phil Loadholt T Needed a new RT
    Asher Allen DB Need Cb
    Jasper Brinkley LB No backup MLB
    Jamarca Sanford DB Needed a safety

    2008
    Tyrell Johnson DB Needed a Safety to replace Sharper(aging)
    John David Booty QB - Needed a QB
    Letroy Guion DT - No Backup to Pat and Kevin
    John Sullivan C - Getting Ride of Birk
    Jaymar Johnson WR needed Wrs
    2007
    Adrian Peterson RB BPA
    Sidney Rice WR - Needed WR
    Marcus McCauley DB Need CBS
    Brian Robison DE Need PR

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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1094328
    I will like to point out that we do not draft BPA. The only time we have done so was with AP. We Draft for need. time and time again.

    2010
    Chris Cook DB - Injuried Griffen
    Toby Gerhart RB - CT left
    Everson Griffin DE - Edwards FA
    Chris DeGeare G - No backup
    Nathan Triplett LB

    2009
    Percy Harvin WR Need Talent at the WR Position
    Phil Loadholt T Needed a new RT
    Asher Allen DB Need Cb
    Jasper Brinkley LB No backup MLB
    Jamarca Sanford DB Needed a safety

    2008
    Tyrell Johnson DB Needed a Safety to replace Sharper(aging)
    John David Booty QB - Needed a QB
    Letroy Guion DT - No Backup to Pat and Kevin
    John Sullivan C - Getting Ride of Birk
    Jaymar Johnson WR needed Wrs
    2007
    Adrian Peterson RB BPA
    Sidney Rice WR - Needed WR
    Marcus McCauley DB Need CBS
    Brian Robison DE Need PR
    It is possible for a need and best player available to coincide. And it's best player based on our teams board, their perceived value may be influenced by need to begin with.

    Either way, you can make anyone's draft board look like they're picking by need if you do it that way. I could just as easily say we picked by need on the Peterson selection too. Mewelde Moore had 130 yards in 2006, we needed a new backup RB. There, did it.

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    Re: Spielmans Draft History

    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094332
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1094328
    I will like to point out that we do not draft BPA. The only time we have done so was with AP. We Draft for need. time and time again.

    2010
    Chris Cook DB - Injuried Griffen
    Toby Gerhart RB - CT left
    Everson Griffin DE - Edwards FA
    Chris DeGeare G - No backup
    Nathan Triplett LB

    2009
    Percy Harvin WR Need Talent at the WR Position
    Phil Loadholt T Needed a new RT
    Asher Allen DB Need Cb
    Jasper Brinkley LB No backup MLB
    Jamarca Sanford DB Needed a safety

    2008
    Tyrell Johnson DB Needed a Safety to replace Sharper(aging)
    John David Booty QB - Needed a QB
    Letroy Guion DT - No Backup to Pat and Kevin
    John Sullivan C - Getting Ride of Birk
    Jaymar Johnson WR needed Wrs
    2007
    Adrian Peterson RB BPA
    Sidney Rice WR - Needed WR
    Marcus McCauley DB Need CBS
    Brian Robison DE Need PR
    It is possible for a need and best player available to coincide. And it's best player based on our teams board, their perceived value may be influenced by need to begin with.

    Either way, you can make anyone's draft board look like they're picking by need if you do it that way. I could just as easily say we picked by need on the Peterson selection too. Mewelde Moore had 130 yards in 2006, we needed a new backup RB. There, did it.
    Convinced me.

    And considering all teams "need" Adrian Peterson when the best they got is CT ... that makes sense. Not like we had Portis running for 1500 yards or Tomlinson or Alexander running for 25+ TDs here ... for the scheme that Childress wanted ... we NEEDED a great RB, not just a solid one.

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