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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

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    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1092632
    We don't have to reach, but you simply should trade back. The fact remains that a solid QB will not be available round 2 pick 12 of the draft. Most teams that by pass a QB in the 1st will draft one in the first 10 picks. I must say that if we do not draft a QB in round 1 or two of this draft, I am done with the Vikings and will be backing a new team.
    If you think he is your franchise QB at 12 you'd better not trade back and expect that franchise QB to be there for the pickings at another spot.
    ...especially if the plan is to trade back to 25 when 25 is owned by the Seahawks...

    Commish:

    "With the 12th pick of the 2011 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select... Ryan Mallett, quarterback, Arkansas."

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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

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    We are the only team in the league that believe that a franchise QB can be found in the later rounds of the draft. Personally I would like us to trade back and draft Mallet with the 25th pick. We will be in serious shit if we try to nab him in round 2. I believe that once Gabbett is gone, other teams will defer to the 2nd round to get these guys.
    Pats found Brady and if push comes to shove, Cassel. 49rs found Montanna. Should I go on?
    Please do. You've listed 3 QB's drafted in the past 32 years.

    If a team uses that strategy, the whole FO needs to be shitcanned.

    3 results in 32 years is not a strategy, it's luck.

    There is not a guy like that in every draft. There is not a guy like that in even half the drafts. I most drafts, 5th-7th round picks are busts more often than not.

    Also, Joe Montana was drafted in round 3, 82nd overall pick. Not sure how that qualifies as a "late round" pick.

    3rd rounders CAN work out, more often than not they don't.

    QB and CB it seems are the two positions where drafting early gives you a MUCH larger likelihood of having a great player. Other positions you can pick up later with 'value picks', QB isn't usually one of them.

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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

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    I don't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. If Gabbert, Newton or Locker is there at 12, Grab him. If not, I don't know any of the others are worth the pick.
    Quick question, if (I don't it happens, just want to ask though) all 3 are there do you take one or do you go on the assumption that because all the teams ahead of passed, there is something wrong with them?
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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

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    I don't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. If Gabbert, Newton or Locker is there at 12, Grab him. If not, I don't know any of the others are worth the pick.
    Quick question, if (I don't it happens, just want to ask though) all 3 are there do you take one or do you go on the assumption that because all the teams ahead of passed, there is something wrong with them?
    If all 3 are there, you take Gabbert, no questions asked.

    If they've done their scouting well enough, and feel confident in one of the top three picks there, don't screw around and hope they'll be there later. Players drop for a number of reasons, maybe the teams aheaad of you felt there were better players available. I bet the 49ers are kicking htemselves for drafting Alex Smith over Rodgers, and the ensuing 21 teams are probably kicking themselves for not drafting him (including us twice)

    It's the case of "if everybody jumped off a bridge would you do it?" Don't follow trends. If there's a rush to draft a position you really want/need, then maybe consider it, but if good players are dropping, no reason why you would pass on them as well unless you also saw something that made you really not want them.

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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1092648
    I don't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. If Gabbert, Newton or Locker is there at 12, Grab him. If not, I don't know any of the others are worth the pick.
    Quick question, if (I don't it happens, just want to ask though) all 3 are there do you take one or do you go on the assumption that because all the teams ahead of passed, there is something wrong with them?
    Quick question- If every team ahead of the vikings defers their pick because they think there are no legitimate #1 players, do you think we should also defer or pick the best player we have rated in the draft?

    Yes, it is absurd but so is the logic of having all 3 QB's available at 12.

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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

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    It doesn't surprise me. In fact It echoes what I've already said & that was that the Vikings won't draft a QB in the first, just for the sake of a drafting a QB.

    If one of the top QB's remarkably happens to fall to them in the first at the 12th slot, then they probably take him.

    I highly doubt they would pass up the BPA at pick 12, to prematurel7y select the next best QB in the draft, if he's projected to go much later than 12th.
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    If one of the top QB's remarkably happens to fall to them in the first at the 12th slot, then they probably take him

    Probably don't need to be in the inner circle to figure that one out!

    I don't highly doubt anything after watching them drop back to take Cook last year, then waste an extra draft pick on a backup running back.

    I agree with you, I want BPA at 12. But I will not be the least bit surprised if they reach for a QB.
    We don't have to reach, but you simply should trade back. The fact remains that a solid QB will not be available round 2 pick 12 of the draft. Most teams that by pass a QB in the 1st will draft one in the first 10 picks. I must say that if we do not draft a QB in round 1 or two of this draft, I am done with the Vikings and will be backing a new team.
    I'm with you, the chances of a QB making it are slim unless they have first round talent.

    There is always some disparity between the medias evaluation of players and the NFL teams evaluations. The media doesn't have a great track record.

    One of the top QB's very well may fall to us at 12. But if not, I would rather move back and pick one up. There is some definite risk involved.

    The media seems to think Mallett is a late first round to early second round pick. I'm not so sure the teams see it that way.

    Carolina,Cinci,Titans, Denver, and seattle attended his pro day.

    He has or had meetings and workouts with 12 teams in all.

    Mallett may get past Carolina 1, Buffalo 3, Cinci 4, 49ers 7, and Titans 8, and be there at 12.
    If you do trade back, will he get past Miami 15, or Seattle 25?

    Unless they are in love with Locker, they will probably have to take Mallett at 12.

    Is that a reach? Perhaps not so much.

    Mayock says he questions his decision making when under pressure in the pocket. Kind of important since the guy is an obvious pocket passer.

    But his college career stats paint a different story. 69 TD's 24 INT.

    There is much made about character issues or alleged drug use.

    After all the scrutiny at the combine and his pro day he was scheduled to meet with 12 teams. That much interest suggests his character issues aren't that significant.
    He has never failed a drug test.

    I'm just making a case why an NFL team may have him rated higher than the media.

    Presumably he doesn't fit the WCO, but Musgrove is supposedly flexible.


    You can just youtube Mallet and watch him... for the most part he had a clean pocket and with a clean pocket he is the best QB in this draft. BUT............... He had a really great offensive line and I don't think we can say his situation will be the same in Minn. Getting him means getting more athletic tackles who can pass block the big guys... It means Loadholt and Mckinnie just won't cut it (Mckinnie has to go anyways). His decision making late in games is also being questioned.

    Any type of pressure whether it be game on the line, someone getting a good rush on him, or his teammates depending on him to make a play, he just simply crumbles. NO COMPOSURE is what its telling me and big bust.
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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1092654
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1092652
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1092648
    I don't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. If Gabbert, Newton or Locker is there at 12, Grab him. If not, I don't know any of the others are worth the pick.
    Quick question, if (I don't it happens, just want to ask though) all 3 are there do you take one or do you go on the assumption that because all the teams ahead of passed, there is something wrong with them?
    If all 3 are there, you take Gabbert, no questions asked.

    If they've done their scouting well enough, and feel confident in one of the top three picks there, don't screw around and hope they'll be there later. Players drop for a number of reasons, maybe the teams aheaad of you felt there were better players available. I bet the 49ers are kicking htemselves for drafting Alex Smith over Rodgers, and the ensuing 21 teams are probably kicking themselves for not drafting him (including us twice)

    It's the case of "if everybody jumped off a bridge would you do it?" Don't follow trends. If there's a rush to draft a position you really want/need, then maybe consider it, but if good players are dropping, no reason why you would pass on them as well unless you also saw something that made you really not want them.

    I think if they were to drop, there was a reason and Vikings would too... Yes there was Aaron Rodgers who dropped in the draft and he became an absolute stud, but then there are people like Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn who fall too. I'm pretty sure Vikings will take whoever they have on that list of players. The way Spielman said it at the beginning of the article, I assume that he is assuming that QBs will be gone before the 12th spot and they'll be completely prepared.

    Personally Spielman hasn't done such a bad job drafting in the first round since he's been here. It has resulted in AP and Harvin... When it comes time to get that QB of the future we'll get him...

    You have drafts like 2007 where Kevin Kolb was the best QB in that class (still unproven). Jamarcus was the top pick and Quinn was selected later in 1st (both considered busts). Second round of the draft was Kevin Kolb (decent), John Beck (don't even know what team he plays for), Drew Stanton (He's not Detroit's future as a 3rd stringer). Also notable draftees in that draft class were Trent Edwards (3rd) and Tyler Thigpen (drafted by us).

    Then you have drafts like 04 where you find very good QBs. You had Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Losman in the first and Schuab was the next QB taken in the 3rd!!! 4/5 of those guys ended up panning out and being great QBs in this league and legitimate starters.

    My point being is that we do need a QB I do understand that. Can any of these guys be a QB of the future? Yes this class does have POTENTIAL, but like Warren Sapp said "Potential is what they haven't been able to do yet." I don't like this draft class at all and I would compare it to the class of 07 which simply has too many red flags for each player. A lot of these guys are going to be boom or bust.

    This team is simply not ready to win now. There are so many pieces missing to the puzzle that we have to fill before we think about making a run at the Lombardi. We've always needed a QB because we have always had everything else in place for a QB to be successful. That is no longer the case. We don't have a great line anymore, offensively and defensively, we have a new coaching staff who has yet to even talk to the players on our team, and we have holes at almost every position. We should just think about putting all the pieces together one by one, and eventually one of those pieces will just so happen to be a Quarterback.

    I think this team can win any given Sunday, but doing it consistently, I highly doubt. At least for next year.
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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

    I think if they were to drop, there was a reason and Vikings would too... Yes there was Aaron Rodgers who dropped in the draft and he became an absolute stud, but then there are people like Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn who fall too. I'm pretty sure Vikings will take whoever they have on that list of players. The way Spielman said it at the beginning of the article, I assume that he is assuming that QBs will be gone before the 12th spot and they'll be completely prepared.

    Personally Spielman hasn't done such a bad job drafting in the first round since he's been here. It has resulted in AP and Harvin... When it comes time to get that QB of the future we'll get him...

    You have drafts like 2007 where Kevin Kolb was the best QB in that class (still unproven). Jamarcus was the top pick and Quinn was selected later in 1st (both considered busts). Second round of the draft was Kevin Kolb (decent), John Beck (don't even know what team he plays for), Drew Stanton (He's not Detroit's future as a 3rd stringer). Also notable draftees in that draft class were Trent Edwards (3rd) and Tyler Thigpen (drafted by us).

    Then you have drafts like 04 where you find very good QBs. You had Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Losman in the first and Schuab was the next QB taken in the 3rd!!! 4/5 of those guys ended up panning out and being great QBs in this league and legitimate starters.

    My point being is that we do need a QB I do understand that. Can any of these guys be a QB of the future? Yes this class does have POTENTIAL, but like Warren Sapp said "Potential is what they haven't been able to do yet." I don't like this draft class at all and I would compare it to the class of 07 which simply has too many red flags for each player. A lot of these guys are going to be boom or bust.

    This team is simply not ready to win now. There are so many pieces missing to the puzzle that we have to fill before we think about making a run at the Lombardi. We've always needed a QB because we have always had everything else in place for a QB to be successful. That is no longer the case. We don't have a great line anymore, offensively and defensively, we have a new coaching staff who has yet to even talk to the players on our team, and we have holes at almost every position. We should just think about putting all the pieces together one by one, and eventually one of those pieces will just so happen to be a Quarterback.

    I think this team can win any given Sunday, but doing it consistently, I highly doubt. At least for next year.
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    Re: Spielman shying away from QBs in the first???

    Pro Football Weekly has the vikes taking Wisconsin DE Watt in the first round. I don't hate that idea. With some questions regarding the other DE spot, it would be good to have some competition in there for Brian Robison. Plus Watt is just the kind of no-nonsense hard working true football player anyone wants on their team. A guy like Adrian Peterson who doesn't quit no matter what the score is and gives it everything he can.

    If you've heard Watt's story, he has worked for everything he has and doesn't take much for granted. that sounds like kind of guy who will work to the bone to hold a starting position.

    I know, the overwhelming need at QB is hard to overlook, but there are enough questions about every single QB in the draft that it probably wouldn't be hard to pick up a guy in the second, sign a veteran FA/Trade for a veteran and still pick up Watt. shoot they could trade the 12th pick and pick up a late 1st rounder and a high to mid-range second rounder at least.

    Just a thought.

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    yeah I do like Watt too but how does he fit in to our scheme? from what I hear he is a 3-4 end. I also personally like Da'Quan Bowers story if you guys have heard.
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