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    Special Teams get Special Attention

    Special teams get special attention in the offseason

    http://www.startribune.com/vikings/story/1352471.html

    One thing the Vikings plan to do with their coverage units is utilize more starters -- safeties Darren Sharper and Dwight Smith are both slated to play on kickoffs -- in large part to increase the amount of speed that is on the field. And it's not just guys from the secondary. Defensive end Ray Edwards is expected to be in the mix, too.

    "Coach [Brad] Childress has been outstanding in terms of making that a priority," Ferraro said of having starters on special teams. "Everybody has got to be able to give us one phase. There are exceptions to that. ... But I think there will be improvement on our punt and kickoff coverage because you're going to see some other starters in there that maybe weren't there a year ago."
    And here I was thinking we'd use the backup safeties on special teams...thus, maybe, keeping 5 (Sharper, Smith, Doss, Tank, and Blue?)
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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    hmm... this could turn out good and bad, yes our coverage could be much better, but i personally hate to see starters go down from injury on special teams


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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    Special Teams were such a problem for us last year that we HAVE to improve to make our move in the NFC. There simply is no reason to give up the untimely returns we do ... and it would be nice to get some on the flip side.

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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    I'm not happy with this. The article says: "The Vikings surrendered an average of 23.2 yards per kick return last season, ranking 24th out of the 32 NFL teams. The league average was 22.5 yards."
    That is less than one yard per return.
    We have the top rushing defense in the league and our passing defense looks like it's going to be much improved this year. Why risk injuring one of those secondary defensive starters whome we need far more in pass defense than saving a yard or two on KO. And the idea of putting Edwards, the best pass rusher we have in their is absolutely dumb IMO.
    We take the players from areas where we need the most improvement and put them on special teams to save a yard doesn't make any sense in my mind. What if they get injured?
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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    The ugliest stats: The punt coverage tied for last in the NFL with three other teams by allowing seven returns of 20-plus yards.

    The kickoff unit, meanwhile, left the field with opponents starting at the 30.7-yard line. Only Oakland (32.6-yard line) gave foes better starting position.
    Yeah, I noticed that too...only one yard longer, but then there is this bad news too...?
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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    I'm not happy with this. The article says: "The Vikings surrendered an average of 23.2 yards per kick return last season, ranking 24th out of the 32 NFL teams. The league average was 22.5 yards."
    That is less than one yard per return.
    We have the top rushing defense in the league and our passing defense looks like it's going to be much improved this year. Why risk injuring one of those secondary defensive starters whome we need far more in pass defense than saving a yard or two on KO. And the idea of putting Edwards, the best pass rusher we have in their is absolutely dumb IMO.
    We take the players from areas where we need the most improvement and put them on special teams to save a yard doesn't make any sense in my mind. What if they get injured?
    Who says it would only be a yard?
    The difference from the Vikes (an O.K. return team) to the leading team was 4.2 yards and of course theres always TD potential which if the scores are like last year could be a gamebreaker.

    Yet I still find myself agreeing with you.
    Since AD is gonna get 5 yards a rush this season is another couple yards on a return worth the injury risk?


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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    "Billy" wrote:
    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    I'm not happy with this. The article says: "The Vikings surrendered an average of 23.2 yards per kick return last season, ranking 24th out of the 32 NFL teams. The league average was 22.5 yards."
    That is less than one yard per return.
    We have the top rushing defense in the league and our passing defense looks like it's going to be much improved this year. Why risk injuring one of those secondary defensive starters whome we need far more in pass defense than saving a yard or two on KO. And the idea of putting Edwards, the best pass rusher we have in their is absolutely dumb IMO.
    We take the players from areas where we need the most improvement and put them on special teams to save a yard doesn't make any sense in my mind. What if they get injured?
    Who says it would only be a yard?
    The difference from the Vikes (an O.K. return team) to the leading team was 4.2 yards and of course theres always TD potential which if the scores are like last year could be a gamebreaker.

    Yet I still find myself agreeing with you.
    Since AD is gonna get 5 yards a rush this season is another couple yards on a return worth the injury risk?
    I was looking at team averages.
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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    I for one think special teams should be manned by the guys who can stop the other team from getting good field position.

    The ugliest stats: The punt coverage tied for last in the NFL with three other teams by allowing seven returns of 20-plus yards. The kickoff unit, meanwhile, left the field with opponents starting at the 30.7-yard line. Only Oakland (32.6-yard line) gave foes better starting position.
    Field position is huge when it comes to who wins and looses and is second only to down and distance when it comes to dictating a situation or reacting to a situation.

    If it means that we need to use a few starters to dictate vice reacting, then so beit.
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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    "Billy" wrote:
    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    I'm not happy with this. The article says: "The Vikings surrendered an average of 23.2 yards per kick return last season, ranking 24th out of the 32 NFL teams. The league average was 22.5 yards."
    That is less than one yard per return.
    We have the top rushing defense in the league and our passing defense looks like it's going to be much improved this year. Why risk injuring one of those secondary defensive starters whome we need far more in pass defense than saving a yard or two on KO. And the idea of putting Edwards, the best pass rusher we have in their is absolutely dumb IMO.
    We take the players from areas where we need the most improvement and put them on special teams to save a yard doesn't make any sense in my mind. What if they get injured?
    Who says it would only be a yard?
    The difference from the Vikes (an O.K. return team) to the leading team was 4.2 yards and of course theres always TD potential which if the scores are like last year could be a gamebreaker.

    Yet I still find myself agreeing with you.
    Since AD is gonna get 5 yards a rush this season is another couple yards on a return worth the injury risk?
    I was looking at team averages.
    You see this:

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    The Vikings surrendered an average of 23.2 yards per kick return last season, ranking 24th out of the 32 NFL teams. The league average was 22.5 yards

    You need to add that to this:

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    Longwell's 59.1-yard average last season ranked last in the league.

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    The kickoff unit, meanwhile, left the field with opponents starting at the 30.7-yard line. Only Oakland (32.6-yard line) gave foes better starting position

    And you get the whole picture.

    Noodle leg= short kickoffs combined with poor coverage= opponents with second best starting position after kickoff in the league.

    The punt coverage was also weak.

    It needs improvement and I don't care how they do it. But the problem is only half solved if Longwell can only get 4.8% touchbacks in a season. Hope Tiger gave him some magic pills or something.


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    Re: Special Teams get Special Attention

    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    "Billy" wrote:
    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    I'm not happy with this. The article says: "The Vikings surrendered an average of 23.2 yards per kick return last season, ranking 24th out of the 32 NFL teams. The league average was 22.5 yards."
    That is less than one yard per return.
    We have the top rushing defense in the league and our passing defense looks like it's going to be much improved this year. Why risk injuring one of those secondary defensive starters whome we need far more in pass defense than saving a yard or two on KO. And the idea of putting Edwards, the best pass rusher we have in their is absolutely dumb IMO.
    We take the players from areas where we need the most improvement and put them on special teams to save a yard doesn't make any sense in my mind. What if they get injured?
    Who says it would only be a yard?
    The difference from the Vikes (an O.K. return team) to the leading team was 4.2 yards and of course theres always TD potential which if the scores are like last year could be a gamebreaker.

    Yet I still find myself agreeing with you.
    Since AD is gonna get 5 yards a rush this season is another couple yards on a return worth the injury risk?
    I was looking at team averages.
    So was I, but I was thinking Vikings returns though for some reason.

    But looking at what you were speaking of, if the Vikings were to go from where they are now to the extreme of the best team (last year) it would be 5 more yards for the opponent every possesion.
    Anyways I still agree with you.


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