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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    All this Free Agency activity has got me pretty darn convinced that the Vikings are up to something...possibly got their eyes on somebody BIG, or maybe, on scoring a few high end guys between the end of the first and beginning of the third.
    Partially due to how close the playoffs appeared last year...partially due to Wilf watching his Giants go from 0-2 to unlikely Wildcard winner to Superbowl Champions...partially due to the fact its the third year with the system, and most of the pieces are securely in place, know their roles, and can help out new player's learning curves...?


    I for one, am pretty freakin stoked with all our depth, most of which is young, full of potential, and under contract for at least a few years.
    And what seems to be a somewhat ridiculous wealth of 10 draft picks vs. about 5 needs.
    I fully expect we'll see some wheeling and dealing, jiving and stealing from our FO this draft!
    WOOT!!!
    Still a month away, and I can't wait to see the rest of the 2008 Vikings board the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!
    BAAAWHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    OK so I decided to do some draft pick trade math...obviously, you've got to sell it to the other team, but according to the chart, here's what we could possibly make happen.

    Vikings Draft Picks 2008

    Rd. No. Value
    1st 17 950
    2nd 47 430
    3rd 73 225
    3rd 82 180
    4th 116 62
    5th 151 31
    6th 184 17.8
    6th 194 13.8
    7th 210 7.4
    7th 224 2


    http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


    Trade potential Math

    ATL’s No. 37 and 48 in the 2nd round are worth 530 + 420 = 950 or our first.

    Our third No.73 + fourth No.116 are worth 225 + 62 = 287 which falls between DAL and NE picks at end of the 2nd…No.61 or 62.

    Our fifth No.151 + both our 6th No.184 + 194 are worth 31 + 17.8 + 13.8 = 62.6 or between our 4th pick No.116 and 115 which belongs to ARI.


    Our No.82 in the third + our 5th and both 6th (package above) = 180 + 62.6 = 242.6 which falls between NE and SF near the top of the third…OR, maybe a team like MIAMI with more needs, and in full on rebuilding mode, would take this package of 4 picks for their third…which is the first pick of the round, or actually, the last of the 2nd, since NE forfeited their first



    So, if we trade our first to ATL, that gives us 3 2nd round picks with ours.
    Then we trade our early third and fourth to DAL for another, late 2nd, and then our later third, fifth, and both sixth to MIA for the first pick in the third...hell they can have one or both of the 7th too if they want them.

    That gives us 5 picks between No. 32 and No.64 and we can address all of our biggest needs with top end talent.

    How would that look in your mocks?
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    Imagine, a second round draft like this...

    Merling at DE, Laws at DT, Sam Baker (more experience at LT than Cherilus), Devin Thomas or James Hardy at WR and Woodson or Johnson at QB

    WOW.
    Nice
    8)

    Maybe, if we get an upgrade at vet QB, we can put S in that spot above.
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    OK so I decided to do some draft pick trade math...obviously, you've got to sell it to the other team, but according to the chart, here's what we could possibly make happen.

    Vikings Draft Picks 2008

    Rd. No. Value
    1st 17 950
    2nd 47 430
    3rd 73 225
    3rd 82 180
    4th 116 62
    5th 151 31
    6th 184 17.8
    6th 194 13.8
    7th 210 7.4
    7th 224 2


    http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


    Trade potential Math

    ATL’s No. 37 and 48 in the 2nd round are worth 530 + 420 = 950 or our first.

    Our third No.73 + fourth No.116 are worth 225 + 62 = 287 which falls between DAL and NE picks at end of the 2nd…No.61 or 62.

    Our fifth No.151 + both our 6th No.184 + 194 are worth 31 + 17.8 + 13.8 = 62.6 or between our 4th pick No.116 and 115 which belongs to ARI.


    Our No.82 in the third + our 5th and both 6th (package above) = 180 + 62.6 = 242.6 which falls between NE and SF near the top of the third…OR, maybe a team like MIAMI with more needs, and in full on rebuilding mode, would take this package of 4 picks for their third…which is the first pick of the round, or actually, the last of the 2nd, since NE forfeited their first



    So, if we trade our first to ATL, that gives us 3 2nd round picks with ours.
    Then we trade our early third and fourth to DAL for another, late 2nd, and then our later third, fifth, and both sixth to MIA for the first pick in the third...hell they can have one or both of the 7th too if they want them.

    That gives us 5 picks between No. 32 and No.64 and we can address all of our biggest needs with top end talent.

    How would that look in your mocks?
    LOL, who was it said they had the Advil?
    ;D

    Damn my friend, that would mess all of us mock yutzers up.

    I'm gonna send you my spread sheet and you just plug the teams names in were they are moving to.
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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    OK so I decided to do some draft pick trade math...obviously, you've got to sell it to the other team, but according to the chart, here's what we could possibly make happen.

    Vikings Draft Picks 2008

    Rd. No. Value
    1st 17 950
    2nd 47 430
    3rd 73 225
    3rd 82 180
    4th 116 62
    5th 151 31
    6th 184 17.8
    6th 194 13.8
    7th 210 7.4
    7th 224 2


    http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


    Trade potential Math

    ATL’s No. 37 and 48 in the 2nd round are worth 530 + 420 = 950 or our first.

    Our third No.73 + fourth No.116 are worth 225 + 62 = 287 which falls between DAL and NE picks at end of the 2nd…No.61 or 62.

    Our fifth No.151 + both our 6th No.184 + 194 are worth 31 + 17.8 + 13.8 = 62.6 or between our 4th pick No.116 and 115 which belongs to ARI.


    Our No.82 in the third + our 5th and both 6th (package above) = 180 + 62.6 = 242.6 which falls between NE and SF near the top of the third…OR, maybe a team like MIAMI with more needs, and in full on rebuilding mode, would take this package of 4 picks for their third…which is the first pick of the round, or actually, the last of the 2nd, since NE forfeited their first



    So, if we trade our first to ATL, that gives us 3 2nd round picks with ours.
    Then we trade our early third and fourth to DAL for another, late 2nd, and then our later third, fifth, and both sixth to MIA for the first pick in the third...hell they can have one or both of the 7th too if they want them.

    That gives us 5 picks between No. 32 and No.64 and we can address all of our biggest needs with top end talent.

    How would that look in your mocks?
    Wow i would love to do that

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    OK so I decided to do some draft pick trade math...obviously, you've got to sell it to the other team, but according to the chart, here's what we could possibly make happen.

    Vikings Draft Picks 2008

    Rd. No. Value
    1st 17 950
    2nd 47 430
    3rd 73 225
    3rd 82 180
    4th 116 62
    5th 151 31
    6th 184 17.8
    6th 194 13.8
    7th 210 7.4
    7th 224 2


    http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


    Trade potential Math

    ATL’s No. 37 and 48 in the 2nd round are worth 530 + 420 = 950 or our first.

    Our third No.73 + fourth No.116 are worth 225 + 62 = 287 which falls between DAL and NE picks at end of the 2nd…No.61 or 62.

    Our fifth No.151 + both our 6th No.184 + 194 are worth 31 + 17.8 + 13.8 = 62.6 or between our 4th pick No.116 and 115 which belongs to ARI.


    Our No.82 in the third + our 5th and both 6th (package above) = 180 + 62.6 = 242.6 which falls between NE and SF near the top of the third…OR, maybe a team like MIAMI with more needs, and in full on rebuilding mode, would take this package of 4 picks for their third…which is the first pick of the round, or actually, the last of the 2nd, since NE forfeited their first



    So, if we trade our first to ATL, that gives us 3 2nd round picks with ours.
    Then we trade our early third and fourth to DAL for another, late 2nd, and then our later third, fifth, and both sixth to MIA for the first pick in the third...hell they can have one or both of the 7th too if they want them.

    That gives us 5 picks between No. 32 and No.64 and we can address all of our biggest needs with top end talent.

    How would that look in your mocks?
    If you add all of our picks up you get 1919 points, which is only enough to get to the fourth overall pick, so trading up for Long or Gholston is out of the question. Though I think the trade chart isn't as accurate as it once was.

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    "aaeyers" wrote:
    "mountainviking" wrote:
    OK so I decided to do some draft pick trade math...obviously, you've got to sell it to the other team, but according to the chart, here's what we could possibly make happen.

    Vikings Draft Picks 2008

    Rd. No. Value
    1st 17 950
    2nd 47 430
    3rd 73 225
    3rd 82 180
    4th 116 62
    5th 151 31
    6th 184 17.8
    6th 194 13.8
    7th 210 7.4
    7th 224 2


    http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/


    Trade potential Math

    ATL’s No. 37 and 48 in the 2nd round are worth 530 + 420 = 950 or our first.

    Our third No.73 + fourth No.116 are worth 225 + 62 = 287 which falls between DAL and NE picks at end of the 2nd…No.61 or 62.

    Our fifth No.151 + both our 6th No.184 + 194 are worth 31 + 17.8 + 13.8 = 62.6 or between our 4th pick No.116 and 115 which belongs to ARI.


    Our No.82 in the third + our 5th and both 6th (package above) = 180 + 62.6 = 242.6 which falls between NE and SF near the top of the third…OR, maybe a team like MIAMI with more needs, and in full on rebuilding mode, would take this package of 4 picks for their third…which is the first pick of the round, or actually, the last of the 2nd, since NE forfeited their first



    So, if we trade our first to ATL, that gives us 3 2nd round picks with ours.
    Then we trade our early third and fourth to DAL for another, late 2nd, and then our later third, fifth, and both sixth to MIA for the first pick in the third...hell they can have one or both of the 7th too if they want them.

    That gives us 5 picks between No. 32 and No.64 and we can address all of our biggest needs with top end talent.

    How would that look in your mocks?
    If you add all of our picks up you get 1919 points, which is only enough to get to the fourth overall pick, so trading up for Long or Gholston is out of the question. Though I think the trade chart isn't as accurate as it once was.
    thats why is we wanna trade up to the top 3 we are most likely to give up next years 1st rd pick too

    Pissing on the Pack since 08'

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    if the dolphins are still looking to trade out, why not try to trade for 1st overall
    we could package some picks together

    1st 2008
    3rd 2008
    1st 2009

    i dunno if they could look away from that trade since they need to add depth and their isnt a clear number one guy to take

    and we obviously take chris long and fill up our DE hole.

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    "dcboardr41" wrote:
    if the dolphins are still looking to trade out, why not try to trade for 1st overall
    we could package some picks together

    1st 2008
    3rd 2008
    1st 2009

    i dunno if they could look away from that trade since they need to add depth and their isnt a clear number one guy to take

    and we obviously take chris long and fill up our DE hole.
    I think that is way to much to give up... i would rather just stay put and take BPA or trade it for peppers...

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    Re: Should the Vikings trade up, down, or stay put with their No.17 pick?

    Stay put and take BPA...there is still PLENTY of talent in the middle of the first round...and the second for that matter.
    What I WOULD propose is trading up for a higher pick in the SECOND round.
    Much less cost and the Vikes still get a very highly rated player.
    Bundle up some of those extra picks and send them to Miami...the Vikes won't keep all of their draft choices this year anyway.
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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