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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    As a Cowboys fan I`d love McKinnie for Sheppard lol. Getting an average LT for an extremely underrated CB. I don`t know if I`m the only one but Sheppard/Samuel has the potential to be the best secondary tandem in the league. Breaking that potential up would be amazing.

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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Okay, here's what they should do.
    Trade their first and 3rd for Allen.
    Then trade AW + one of their 6th rounders for Lito.
    I think that pretty fair.
    AW is no slouch.
    That would make for a very good defense.

    Then you trade BMac for a 2nd rounder.
    He is overrated.
    We can definately replace his pass protection and can draft a decent OL with 1 of 2 second rounders (possibly move back up to a 1st rounder by trading the 2 second rounders).
    Perfect scenerio
    This makes zero sense to me, Allen is better than any DE we would get with 17, but why trade AW away for a worse CB? I would rather just resign Winfield and draft a CB with the 6th round pick you also suggest giving up.

    BMac may be overrated, but he is also better than any OT we could find in the second round. Some scouts even argue that Chris Williams won't be able to start right away, and he is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

    Those trades make us worse.
    Everyone also thought that Marcus McNeill wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder a couple of years ago...and the guy only stepped in for the Chargers and started every game his rookie year at LEFT TACKLE and made the Pro Bowl.

    Williams could start by the middle or the end of the season.
    McKinney will be out the first four games anyway, so what does it really matter if Chris Williams isn't ready right away?
    Someone else will be manning the LT spot either way at the beginning of the season.
    By trading Sheppard for McKinney, the Eagles at least get someone who could eventually see the field even after the four-game suspension.
    Sheppard wouldn't see the field for them much anyway.
    Win-Win, the way that I see it.

    I totally disagree with the Winfield suggestion though.
    The Eagles don't need him and that move doesn't make the Vikings better on defense.
    The idea was to have BOTH players starting at CB, not trade one for the other.
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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    I would love to see Shepherd end up here somehow, but I can't imagine that Mount McKinnie straight up for him would float the Eagles boat ... they would probably prefer some draft picks.

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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Okay, here's what they should do.
    Trade their first and 3rd for Allen.
    Then trade AW + one of their 6th rounders for Lito.
    I think that pretty fair.
    AW is no slouch.
    That would make for a very good defense.

    Then you trade BMac for a 2nd rounder.
    He is overrated.
    We can definately replace his pass protection and can draft a decent OL with 1 of 2 second rounders (possibly move back up to a 1st rounder by trading the 2 second rounders).
    Perfect scenerio
    This makes zero sense to me, Allen is better than any DE we would get with 17, but why trade AW away for a worse CB? I would rather just resign Winfield and draft a CB with the 6th round pick you also suggest giving up.

    BMac may be overrated, but he is also better than any OT we could find in the second round. Some scouts even argue that Chris Williams won't be able to start right away, and he is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

    Those trades make us worse.
    Everyone also thought that Marcus McNeill wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder a couple of years ago...and the guy only stepped in for the Chargers and started every game his rookie year at LEFT TACKLE and made the Pro Bowl.

    Williams could start by the middle or the end of the season.
    McKinney will be out the first four games anyway, so what does it really matter if Chris Williams isn't ready right away?
    Someone else will be manning the LT spot either way at the beginning of the season.
    By trading Sheppard for McKinney, the Eagles at least get someone who could eventually see the field even after the four-game suspension.
    Sheppard wouldn't see the field for them much anyway.
    Win-Win, the way that I see it.

    I totally disagree with the Winfield suggestion though.
    The Eagles don't need him and that move doesn't make the Vikings better on defense.
    The idea was to have BOTH players starting at CB, not trade one for the other.
    Not sure why the AW would be so bad.
    AW is older than LS.
    LS is better than AW as far as defending passes.
    He's a great tackler and great run stopper but only okay against the pass.
    A lot of balls get caught in front of him.
    The Eagles have already made the decision it sound like to get rid of Sheppard.
    What's wrong with replacing him with another good player?
    I believe the defense would be better or at least just as good with Lito Shpperd and he'd be around longer most likely.

    As far as the McKinnie trade, people have to realize he will be suspended to start the season.
    HE IS NOT THAT GREAT.
    He is good as a run blocker but not so good as a pass blocker.
    Plus he has off the field issues.
    I do agree that we don't have the best situation on the OLine right now so I can understand some of the reluctance.
    However, how will we better the first few games when he is suspended?

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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Okay, here's what they should do.
    Trade their first and 3rd for Allen.
    Then trade AW + one of their 6th rounders for Lito.
    I think that pretty fair.
    AW is no slouch.
    That would make for a very good defense.

    Then you trade BMac for a 2nd rounder.
    He is overrated.
    We can definately replace his pass protection and can draft a decent OL with 1 of 2 second rounders (possibly move back up to a 1st rounder by trading the 2 second rounders).
    Perfect scenerio
    This makes zero sense to me, Allen is better than any DE we would get with 17, but why trade AW away for a worse CB? I would rather just resign Winfield and draft a CB with the 6th round pick you also suggest giving up.

    BMac may be overrated, but he is also better than any OT we could find in the second round. Some scouts even argue that Chris Williams won't be able to start right away, and he is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

    Those trades make us worse.
    Everyone also thought that Marcus McNeill wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder a couple of years ago...and the guy only stepped in for the Chargers and started every game his rookie year at LEFT TACKLE and made the Pro Bowl.

    Williams could start by the middle or the end of the season.
    McKinney will be out the first four games anyway, so what does it really matter if Chris Williams isn't ready right away?
    Someone else will be manning the LT spot either way at the beginning of the season.
    By trading Sheppard for McKinney, the Eagles at least get someone who could eventually see the field even after the four-game suspension.
    Sheppard wouldn't see the field for them much anyway.
    Win-Win, the way that I see it.

    I totally disagree with the Winfield suggestion though.
    The Eagles don't need him and that move doesn't make the Vikings better on defense.
    The idea was to have BOTH players starting at CB, not trade one for the other.
    Not sure why the AW would be so bad.
    AW is older than LS.
    LS is better than AW as far as defending passes.
    He's a great tackler and great run stopper but only okay against the pass.
    A lot of balls get caught in front of him.
    The Eagles have already made the decision it sound like to get rid of Sheppard.
    What's wrong with replacing him with another good player?
    I believe the defense would be better or at least just as good with Lito Shpperd and he'd be around longer most likely.

    As far as the McKinnie trade, people have to realize he will be suspended to start the season.
    HE IS NOT THAT GREAT.
    He is good as a run blocker but not so good as a pass blocker.
    Plus he has off the field issues.
    I do agree that we don't have the best situation on the OLine right now so I can understand some of the reluctance.
    However, how will we better the first few games when he is suspended?
    As much as I like Winfield, I have to agree that Lito would be an upgrade. I would absolutely love to get Allen in the draft deal and get Shepherd in a deal that gets rid of McKinnie. Our defense would immediately move into top 5 territory with those moves if somehow we could keep Antoine with Shepherd and have Griffin and McCauley as nickel/dime guys.

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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Okay, here's what they should do.
    Trade their first and 3rd for Allen.
    Then trade AW + one of their 6th rounders for Lito.
    I think that pretty fair.
    AW is no slouch.
    That would make for a very good defense.

    Then you trade BMac for a 2nd rounder.
    He is overrated.
    We can definately replace his pass protection and can draft a decent OL with 1 of 2 second rounders (possibly move back up to a 1st rounder by trading the 2 second rounders).
    Perfect scenerio
    This makes zero sense to me, Allen is better than any DE we would get with 17, but why trade AW away for a worse CB? I would rather just resign Winfield and draft a CB with the 6th round pick you also suggest giving up.

    BMac may be overrated, but he is also better than any OT we could find in the second round. Some scouts even argue that Chris Williams won't be able to start right away, and he is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

    Those trades make us worse.
    Everyone also thought that Marcus McNeill wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder a couple of years ago...and the guy only stepped in for the Chargers and started every game his rookie year at LEFT TACKLE and made the Pro Bowl.

    Williams could start by the middle or the end of the season.
    McKinney will be out the first four games anyway, so what does it really matter if Chris Williams isn't ready right away?
    Someone else will be manning the LT spot either way at the beginning of the season.
    By trading Sheppard for McKinney, the Eagles at least get someone who could eventually see the field even after the four-game suspension.
    Sheppard wouldn't see the field for them much anyway.
    Win-Win, the way that I see it.

    I totally disagree with the Winfield suggestion though.
    The Eagles don't need him and that move doesn't make the Vikings better on defense.
    The idea was to have BOTH players starting at CB, not trade one for the other.
    Not sure why the AW would be so bad.
    AW is older than LS.
    LS is better than AW as far as defending passes.
    He's a great tackler and great run stopper but only okay against the pass.
    A lot of balls get caught in front of him.
    The Eagles have already made the decision it sound like to get rid of Sheppard.
    What's wrong with replacing him with another good player?
    I believe the defense would be better or at least just as good with Lito Shpperd and he'd be around longer most likely.

    As far as the McKinnie trade, people have to realize he will be suspended to start the season.
    HE IS NOT THAT GREAT.
    He is good as a run blocker but not so good as a pass blocker.
    Plus he has off the field issues.
    I do agree that we don't have the best situation on the OLine right now so I can understand some of the reluctance.
    However, how will we better the first few games when he is suspended?
    The AW deal is bad because it doesn't really make the Vikings better NOW.
    Winfield becomes the stopgap (a darn good one, I might add) until McCauley or Griffin beat him out.
    Besides, the Eagles obviously don't want or need another CB...but would gladly upgrade their OL (remember, Chilly learned from Reid...they BOTH value OL and DL play very much...and they DO have a connection and might want to mutually help each other).
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    oh i'd throw a god damn fit they traded away Winfield, if we had both Sheppard and Winfield, i'd be ecstatic, but at this point, I can't justify trading him away - he's a leader on this team.


    If we could throw McKinnie and a 6th rounder or something and get away with that? I'd do it in a second, but i doubt they would.


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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    While I am all for dumping McKinnie, I am not too sure if I'd pull the trigger on this deal. I may be more skeptical than most, but I don't know if I'd be for signing a big name CB to come in to provide a better pass defense. I was really excited to get Smoot a couple years back and we all know how that turned out. I am not trying to compare Smoot to Sheppard ability on the field, just that they both are big names CBs that the Vikings, hypothetically in Sheppard's case, thought could help out. Now if you ask me, our problems with pass defense is more the lack of pressure from our D-Line more than our CB play. That's why I'm all for trying to get Allen and not get Sheppard.

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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Okay, here's what they should do.
    Trade their first and 3rd for Allen.
    Then trade AW + one of their 6th rounders for Lito.
    I think that pretty fair.
    AW is no slouch.
    That would make for a very good defense.

    Then you trade BMac for a 2nd rounder.
    He is overrated.
    We can definately replace his pass protection and can draft a decent OL with 1 of 2 second rounders (possibly move back up to a 1st rounder by trading the 2 second rounders).
    Perfect scenerio
    This makes zero sense to me, Allen is better than any DE we would get with 17, but why trade AW away for a worse CB? I would rather just resign Winfield and draft a CB with the 6th round pick you also suggest giving up.

    BMac may be overrated, but he is also better than any OT we could find in the second round. Some scouts even argue that Chris Williams won't be able to start right away, and he is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

    Those trades make us worse.
    Everyone also thought that Marcus McNeill wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder a couple of years ago...and the guy only stepped in for the Chargers and started every game his rookie year at LEFT TACKLE and made the Pro Bowl.

    Williams could start by the middle or the end of the season.
    McKinney will be out the first four games anyway, so what does it really matter if Chris Williams isn't ready right away?
    Someone else will be manning the LT spot either way at the beginning of the season.
    By trading Sheppard for McKinney, the Eagles at least get someone who could eventually see the field even after the four-game suspension.
    Sheppard wouldn't see the field for them much anyway.
    Win-Win, the way that I see it.

    I totally disagree with the Winfield suggestion though.
    The Eagles don't need him and that move doesn't make the Vikings better on defense.
    The idea was to have BOTH players starting at CB, not trade one for the other.
    Not sure why the AW would be so bad.
    AW is older than LS.
    LS is better than AW as far as defending passes.
    He's a great tackler and great run stopper but only okay against the pass.
    A lot of balls get caught in front of him.
    The Eagles have already made the decision it sound like to get rid of Sheppard.
    What's wrong with replacing him with another good player?
    I believe the defense would be better or at least just as good with Lito Shpperd and he'd be around longer most likely.

    As far as the McKinnie trade, people have to realize he will be suspended to start the season.
    HE IS NOT THAT GREAT.
    He is good as a run blocker but not so good as a pass blocker.
    Plus he has off the field issues.
    I do agree that we don't have the best situation on the OLine right now so I can understand some of the reluctance.
    However, how will we better the first few games when he is suspended?
    Shhh...don't tell everyone, otherwise we might not get the trade value we want out of him.
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    Re: Should the Vikes trade BMac to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard?

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    Okay, here's what they should do.
    Trade their first and 3rd for Allen.
    Then trade AW + one of their 6th rounders for Lito.
    I think that pretty fair.
    AW is no slouch.
    That would make for a very good defense.

    Then you trade BMac for a 2nd rounder.
    He is overrated.
    We can definately replace his pass protection and can draft a decent OL with 1 of 2 second rounders (possibly move back up to a 1st rounder by trading the 2 second rounders).
    Perfect scenerio
    This makes zero sense to me, Allen is better than any DE we would get with 17, but why trade AW away for a worse CB? I would rather just resign Winfield and draft a CB with the 6th round pick you also suggest giving up.

    BMac may be overrated, but he is also better than any OT we could find in the second round. Some scouts even argue that Chris Williams won't be able to start right away, and he is projected to go in the top half of the first round.

    Those trades make us worse.
    Everyone also thought that Marcus McNeill wasn't good enough to be a first-rounder a couple of years ago...and the guy only stepped in for the Chargers and started every game his rookie year at LEFT TACKLE and made the Pro Bowl.

    Williams could start by the middle or the end of the season.
    McKinney will be out the first four games anyway, so what does it really matter if Chris Williams isn't ready right away?
    Someone else will be manning the LT spot either way at the beginning of the season.
    By trading Sheppard for McKinney, the Eagles at least get someone who could eventually see the field even after the four-game suspension.
    Sheppard wouldn't see the field for them much anyway.
    Win-Win, the way that I see it.

    I totally disagree with the Winfield suggestion though.
    The Eagles don't need him and that move doesn't make the Vikings better on defense.
    The idea was to have BOTH players starting at CB, not trade one for the other.
    Not sure why the AW would be so bad.
    AW is older than LS.
    LS is better than AW as far as defending passes.
    He's a great tackler and great run stopper but only okay against the pass.
    A lot of balls get caught in front of him.
    The Eagles have already made the decision it sound like to get rid of Sheppard.
    What's wrong with replacing him with another good player?
    I believe the defense would be better or at least just as good with Lito Shpperd and he'd be around longer most likely.

    As far as the McKinnie trade, people have to realize he will be suspended to start the season.
    HE IS NOT THAT GREAT.
    He is good as a run blocker but not so good as a pass blocker.
    Plus he has off the field issues.
    I do agree that we don't have the best situation on the OLine right now so I can understand some of the reluctance.
    However, how will we better the first few games when he is suspended?
    Shhh...don't tell everyone, otherwise we might not get the trade value we want out of him.
    How does making a metal pole collide with someones head affect a players trade value?

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