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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

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    I like what HE can be, but I don't think you risk it at 12 for him. Unless your absolutely sure he's a stud go conservative aka defense wait for a QB in the second. Or trade back get some picks pick him late in the first or early in the second.
    Don't agree.

    If there's a guy we like, and we feel confident drafting him, do NOT pass on him just because of perceived value. If we think we can move back 5-10 spots and still get him, fine. But I don't want to wait until round 2, because there's not going to be anybody worthy there.
    Isn't that basically the same strategy used to move up and draft Tavaris? The staff believed he was going to be our future, so he was drafted a couple of rounds ahead of his projected round.
    Yes ... and it was the right move. It didn't work out obviously and hindsight is always 20/20. But they thought he was THEIR guy, thus they had to make sure they got HIM.

    I don't personally want to see us grab Mallett at No. 12 because he is not that valuable, but if it is the guy they feel they HAVE TO HAVE, and nobody is trading and they don't think he is going to be there at No. 43, then they HAVE TO TAKE HIM. They cannot worry about Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock's draft grades ... they have to get the guy they want.

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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

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    Thanks for the read my friend. I am sure Mr. Mallet thinks he can "Thrive" just about any place he goes and would be probably damn happy to inherit a team that was recently back to back div champs as well as the NFC runner up in 2009.

    Problem is........Other people don't think he could thrive..........

    NFL.com's Gil Brandt says he would draft Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick over Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett.Brandt acknowledges that Mallett is a wild card who could go early or fall hard, but says, "I don't remember a QB coming in the league being that slow and still be successful." ESPN's Todd McShay's most recent mock draft has Mallett going 39th to the Titans, which is exactly where we had him on March 28. A league source recently told Profootballtalk.com that Kaepernick and Andy Dalton will likely both be drafted ahead of Mallett. Apr 11, 3:00 PM
    Gil Brandt on Mallet

    One of the teams behind is is actively scouting the same QB's we are. This is a pretty decent article that has lots of quotes and looks at both sides of the discussion.

    One thing I've zero'd in on when I was looking at him.........

    Poll: Should the Dolphins draft heavily-scrutinized QB Ryan Mallett in the first round? And how real are his “character issues?”


    Still, Mallett is not perfect on the field, either.

    “No quarterback comes into the NFL a finished product, but I would say the main issue with him is his ability to react to pressure,” Cosell said. “To move within the pocket, re-set his feet and then deliver the football with the same accuracy that he does when he’s in the pocket. He moves and he loses his focus a bit, and then he loses his accuracy.”

    “Now, can it be corrected? Physically, it can be, because you can make their feet quicker. The main question that goes with it is the ability to maintain downfield focus while you’re moving.”
    Lots of talent, should transition to the pro scheme with ease, question is, what happens to him when he faces the defenses at the next level.

    I for one think he is to big and slow for our scheme for starters. I also think he melts down under pressure.

    Long story longer, alot of comparisons out there. One I haven't heard, but think he could be compared to is another Vikings QB. Goes by the name of Jeff, I'm a super dickhead, George.
    This was also found in the same article.

    "The criticism that Mallett is immobile and cannot run also seems misleading. In this YouTube highlight video, nearly half of his throws are made while on the run, and with good accuracy."

    And this.

    “This has been totally lost in the discussion about his other activities, but Ryan Mallett is really, really good at the line of scrimmage,” Cosell said. “Of all the top quarterbacks coming out in the draft, he had the most responsibility at the line of scrimmage for checks, for audibles, the run game – which is major in the NFL, to recognize the strength of the defensive formation, and know how to check runs from one side to the other. He did all those things at Arkansas.”

    I'm not advocating taking Mallett at 12 but he could be that guy that comes into the league with that I'll show all the doubters chip on his shoulder.
    Again, I agree and wouldn't complain if Mallet is the guy. As I said, he was my first choice when I started this process, mostly because of the snippets you posted from the article.

    I loved that he played under Center. I loved that he can make like calls. I loved that he had a big arm.

    The article says he can move. There are alot more that say he can't.
    My issues with him now are solely based on that "Percieved" lack of mobility and what happens to him in big games when the defense collapses the pocket on him because of it.

    I think Miami takes him at 15.
    The good thing for us, we pick ahead of Miami. They, along with Seattle are very heaviliy scouting Mallet and Locker.

    And actually George played fairly well when he was with the Vikings. Quick with his reads and an accurate passer.
    I still remember the game he ran away from the fumble instead of trying to get it. Cost us a playoff berth.
    I've been supportive of Mallett to see what others thought. I think his feet are slow but his release is fine. But slow feet and questionable character has me agreeing with you.

    I still think Locker is the guy they want, and at 12 I don't think that is too much of a reach. The accuracy question does worry me though.

    Glad I don't have to make the decision on who to take.

    If I were in charge I'd do something crazy like put Cook at center, move Loadholdt to right guard, draft a right tackle, put Kliensasser in the backfield at fullback, draft a blocking tight end, and run the ball as well as use Webb in the wildcat.
    Then Zygi would fire me! :laugh:
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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

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    Then Zygi would fire me! :laugh:
    Betcha he wouldn't

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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    I would honestly be fine if we took Locker or Mallett at 12. Either one will make me happy in the short term, and I will be buying their jersey ASAP as possible... But if we go in another direction such as DE or OL or WR or CB or DT or god knows what else we need, I'll be fine. As long as we don't draft another white running back.
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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    i really dont think he'll be there at 12. there are a few teams ahead of the vikes that wouldn't mind taking a QB in the 1st round. and if he is there at 12, DO NOT trade back because that pretty much tells teams that you want to see if you can get him for a cheaper price while hopefully getting back that third rounder.

    if he's there, take him. if not, take one of the other QBs. the vikes are in DESPERATE need for a QB and the draft is their only legitimate chance (outside of a crazy trade) of getting one. I think that just drafting a QB will bring some new hope to this franchise, regardless of who it is. and i think everyone can agree that hope is much needed after last season.

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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    Quote Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1093413
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093336
    Quote Originally Posted by "b_sandhar_29" #1093332
    I like what HE can be, but I don't think you risk it at 12 for him. Unless your absolutely sure he's a stud go conservative aka defense wait for a QB in the second. Or trade back get some picks pick him late in the first or early in the second.
    Don't agree.

    If there's a guy we like, and we feel confident drafting him, do NOT pass on him just because of perceived value. If we think we can move back 5-10 spots and still get him, fine. But I don't want to wait until round 2, because there's not going to be anybody worthy there.
    Isn't that basically the same strategy used to move up and draft Tavaris? The staff believed he was going to be our future, so he was drafted a couple of rounds ahead of his projected round.
    Actually they liked 3 QB's that year.

    This year it appears that they are actually targeting 2 based on Spielmans comment the other day were he said they have looked at all of them and are going to pair it down to 2.

    By the way, I still say TJ was a good pick considering how that draft went down. Very few on here will agree with that but if you go and look at who was drafted and the production they've had, very few have been better than TJ.

    Not saying he was great or anything, just saying that class wasn't all that great IMHO.
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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1093446
    If I were in charge I'd do something crazy like put Cook at center, move Loadholdt to right guard, draft a right tackle, put Kliensasser in the backfield at fullback, draft a blocking tight end, and run the ball as well as use Webb in the wildcat.
    Then Zygi would fire me! :laugh:
    That isn't to far fetched my friend especially when you look back at the 2006 roster and how some of the guys you mentioned should/could have been used.

    Take it one step further and take a look back at that draft and how it went in an effort to try to figure out how a GM (in this case the VP of Player Personnel (aka Dipshit Fooley)) does things.

    Funny thing, as it relates to Cook, I still say the Vikes (Fooley) drafted Cook to play C not RT. Problem was, the coaches didn't like him at C, mostly cause Birk came back that year and Cook was to tall. Couple that with the fact that your shithead GM (VP of Player Personnel) just took him with a second round pick after you have gutted the team and you must play him someplace.

    By the way, in case everyone has let it slip from memory, here is how I think it all went......

    1rst. The whole draft day thing about us trying to move up to take Cutler.

    What I think Fooley was thinking was, the coaches like 3 QB's. If I don't do the deal, I will have lots of picks to do what I need to get done to start rebuilding the team.

    Chooses to pass on Cutler and keeps the 2 picks (1.17/2.19) Denver was asking.

    2nd.

    With 2 picks almost back to back, Fooley gambles and takes Griff (ahead of were he was projected to go) instead of Clemens. Rationale for doing that (IMHO) is the lower you take a QB, the less you will have to pay him not only on the first contract but a follow-on contract as well.

    Problem with that is Fooley messed up big time and missed that the Jets were scouting Clemens just as hard as the Vikes.

    He then takes Cook, ahead of were he was projected to go, who by the way was projected to be a C, not a LT.

    Then all hell broke loose. Fooley gets into a heated "yelling match" with the Chiller and Studwell.

    My guess, because he not only missed on their second rated QB, but for taking both Griff and Cook ahead of were they were projected especially when we didn't need a C.

    In the end, Griff worked out (almost) and the coaches were forced to use Cook at RT because he was to big to be a Center and we still had Matt coming back that year.

    Long story short, Fooley was then faced with the following fact......

    The top QB's are already gone, 2 of which you actively scouted. If memory serves, the Chargers and Chiefs have also scouted TJ (I might be wrong on those 2 teams) so you have to make a move because all you have left to choose from is TJ, Whitehurst, Crolye, etc.

    The Vikings elect to take the kid they actively scouted.

    2006 1 1 3 3 [strike]Vince Young Titans Texas
    2 1 10 10 Matt Leinart Cardinals USC
    3 1 11 11 Jay Cutler Broncos Vanderbilt
    4 2 17 49 Kellen Clemens Jets Oregon [/strike]
    5 2 32 64 Tarvaris Jackson Vikings Alabama State
    6 3 17 81 Charlie Whitehurst Chargers Clemson
    7 3 21 85 Brodie Croyle Chiefs Alabama
    8 5 15 148 Ingle Martin Packers Furman
    9 5 32 164 Omar Jacobs Steelers Bowling Green
    10 6 24 193 Reggie McNeal Bengals Texas A&M
    11 6 25 194 Bruce Gradkowski Buccaneers Toledo
    12 7 15 223 D.J. Shockley Falcons Georgia

    Again, I think they settled on TJ but as Z is so fond of reminding me, that is all speculation on my part. Speculation or not, I think I am pretty close to on target.

    For one, they were on the phone for along time with Denver prior to their pick. Showed it on TV and the talking heads talked about it happening. For two, we know who scouted who, just like we know who is scouting who this year. For three, we know that Fooley, Spielman and the Chiller had the shouting match after Cook got selected.

    Sorry, got to rambling there. Guess that will get me fired by Wilf as well.

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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    Quote Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093451
    another white running back.
    Why ya gotta go there my friend? Maybe you just meant that you don't want them to draft another QB.

    If not, then maybe you are saying one of the following:

    His is slower that AD. Depending on what 40 time you take he is either 1 tenth of a second slower that AD or 2 tenths of a second.

    He is weaker than AD. He is just as strong as AD, possibly even stronger.

    AD blocks better. He pass protects better than AD.

    He catches the ball better than AD.

    He doesn't understand the blockign scheme. He allows his blockers to work in front of him better than AD.

    He doesn't understand how to follow his blockers. He follows his blockers better than AD does.

    IMHO, other that the fact that he can't cut back as fast as AD does, or hit the second gear as fast as AD does, he is a pretty well rounded back, even for a white guy. :dry:
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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093472
    Quote Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1093413
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093336
    Quote Originally Posted by "b_sandhar_29" #1093332
    I like what HE can be, but I don't think you risk it at 12 for him. Unless your absolutely sure he's a stud go conservative aka defense wait for a QB in the second. Or trade back get some picks pick him late in the first or early in the second.
    Don't agree.

    If there's a guy we like, and we feel confident drafting him, do NOT pass on him just because of perceived value. If we think we can move back 5-10 spots and still get him, fine. But I don't want to wait until round 2, because there's not going to be anybody worthy there.
    Isn't that basically the same strategy used to move up and draft Tavaris? The staff believed he was going to be our future, so he was drafted a couple of rounds ahead of his projected round.
    Actually they liked 3 QB's that year.

    This year it appears that they are actually targeting 2 based on Spielmans comment the other day were he said they have looked at all of them and are going to pair it down to 2.

    By the way, I still say TJ was a good pick considering how that draft went down. Very few on here will agree with that but if you go and look at who was drafted and the production they've had, very few have been better than TJ.

    Not saying he was great or anything, just saying that class wasn't all that great IMHO.
    May we traded a 2nd and a 3rd to get him.

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    Re: Ryan Mallett Believes He Could "Thrive" Here

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093483
    May we traded a 2nd and a 3rd to get him.
    I hear ya my friend, but you have to put yourself into the shoes of the staff with respect to where they were at at that point in time.

    Pepp had walked, so you didn't have the starter you thought you did. BJ had come in and done a nice job the year before so my guess is they thought they had a year or two in him.

    They liked Cutler (1 year Franchise Guy), Clemens (2 or 3 year guy) and TJ (4 or 5 year project).

    Fooley screwed the pooch on Cutler, which I can almost agree with cause you still had 2 on the board, one of which should be able to step in when BJ left (ala Clemens).

    Unfortunately, once you passed on Cutler, Clemens now is a bigger priority and you just goofed and let the Jets get him.

    Now your sitting there with 2 other teams between you and your next pick who also need a QB who have also brought TJ in or visited with him on campus and the only way to get him is to give up 2 picks for him.

    Again, 2 picks Cutler, 2 picks TJ. No wonder Studwell and the Chiller were so pissed and why Fooley is no long the GM (VP of Player Personnel).
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