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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

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    Thanks...I usually only come here to take a look these days.
    Good to see you posting again.

    Gotta agree with the Doc, I don't think we are going to see Carson in purple this year. Truth of the matter is, the owner of the Bengals just doesn't cotton/or put up with threats/holdouts.

    If Carson wants to play he will have to do it as a Bengal. If he doesn't want to be a Bengal then he won't play football as the Bengals hold all the rights at least until 2015.

    From our good friends at Rotoworld.
    12/29/2005: Signed a six-year, $118.75 million contract extension through 2014. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus and a third-year option bonus of $9 million. 2011-2012: $11.5 million, 2013: $13 million, 2014: $14 million, 2015: Free Agent
    There are some out there that think the following might happen that could change that.....

    a. Bengals take a QB instead of a WR with their first pick which would cost them significantly. (= 1 Highly paid QB on the roster)
    b. Carson decides to show up for camp and says, I'm here, pay me my 11.5 Mill. (= 2 Highly paid QB's on the roster)
    c. Owner decides he can't pay both and elects to move Carson.

    Problem is, the team that would then get Carson would have to eat up that contract or atleast be ready to restructure it. If you watched the Bengals at all this year you would have seen that alot of their problems can be traced to QB accuracey, or in this case, lack there of.

    As a closet Benglas fan, trust me when I tell you that he had pretty good WR's at his disposal last year and flat out couldn't get it done (26 TDs/20 INT's) even though his numbers were pretty much on par for his career.

    On a side note, I would say, however, that if the Vikings did get Carson he would be the best QB this team has had in alot of years. I'm just not sure if we aren't seeing him on the start of a bad downward slide.
    Nice dig on Brett.

    Truth be told if we dont get a new center he would just end up being the next old qb who gets busted up and sent to retirement
    Wasn't a dig my friend. I think that between the two, skillset RIGHT NOW, Carson is better.

    Comparatively speaking, they were both on about the same type of team (talent wise) and one did better than the other, if you take it one step further and look over the last 4 or 5 years, Carson has been more consistent and better (Barring 2008).

    Again, not a dig.
    Did you see Palmer play last year? He was terrible. No, I don't think the comparison works my friend and I like Palmer better than Farve for the most part.
    I did, alot and have stated on here numerous times how awfull he looked. What I have also done, is to look at the stats.

    Tells another whole story my friend.
    The bengals are drafting at what spot my fried? And they had 2 top 15 type WR's on the roster. No, sadly even in his worst year #4 still was a better QB than Palmer and Brett was busted up from day 1.
    *********sigh************
    The Bengals are drafting ahead of us for more reasons than their passing woes my friend.

    That being said, I would not be upset if we did end up with him on the roster as a stop gap. Heck, I have lived through Jim McMahon, Archie Manning, The second coming of Tark, Jeff George, Cunningham, Moon etc so this would just be another brick in the wall as far as I am concerned.
    My biggest issue with Carson is that it would cost us a pick. If we are going to burn a pick I would much rather have Kolb.

    Is there still some questions surrounding him? SURE. But the upside is considerable wereas, Carson seems to be on a downward trend or atleast we are seeing what COULD be the beginnings of that downward trend.

    One thing to bare in mind with trading for any Vet, you are almost giving up on the year (much like you are with a rookie) as it will take time for him to get to know the recievers. If you don't get Kolb or Carson until the last preseason game, it will be ugly the first 3 or 4 weeks. Again, Kolb is more attractive as you will have him for more years.

    Nope, for me, take a kid at 12 or give the pick up and get Kolb. Only thing right now that makes any kindof sense.
    I wouldn't burn a pick on either of them. If they would get released and we could sign them outright while renegotiating their contracts then I would be on board but giving up draft picks when we are already down? No way.
    Meh, I think you worry too much about missing a 3rd round pick. The fact that we are picking in the top half of the first and second round makes up for it.
    When you look at 09 we had the 30th 60th and 90, approximately. This year we have the 12th and 42nd approximately. According to the value chart our 2 this year are worth more than our 3 last year.
    Not saying we should waste picks, but we desperately need a Qb. Let's get the best one we can, even if it costs a pick or two.
    It isn't just this year. We sent a first,2 thirds and a 6th to get JA, We burned extra picks to go up and get Toby (Not a big deal but it was still 2 picks for 1 player), Tarvaris Jackson ( 2 Thirds)

    I don't want to see us continually give up multiple picks for players or to send picks that we could be using to build for the future on players who are either old or largely unproven and who will already bring a high price tag with them.
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214

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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

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    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.

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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093014
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.
    Exactly who have the Packers nabbed in the late rounds that is setting the world on fire? They have a couple of decent ones ... but it is hit or miss. Like any other team.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

    And what exactly has the Patriots nabbed that late? Still hanging your hat on a lucky pick of Tom Brady? Because Julian Edelman is hardly the reason the Pats are winning.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
    I am not saying we draft better or worse than these franchises, but acting like they are elite franchises because they do so well in the late rounds is incorrect. They pretty much hit or miss as much as anyone else in those rounds.

    It is clear that we did good on DeGeare last year ... he might not be a stud, but hitting on a versatile lineman backup in the 5th round is good. It appears that we may have done well on Griffen, but time will tell. As for other years ... Brinkley and Sanford are very solid picks for where we got them ... Guion and Sullivan are very solid picks for where we got them ... Robison and Edwards are excellent picks for where we got them.

    Not sure what you folks are expecting from these late rounds.

    One thing to really notice about New England is the "accuracy by volume" approach they have. They love accumulating draft picks so they can draft a bunch of guys and hit on a few. It is a solid approach.

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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1093018
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093017
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093014
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.
    Exactly who have the Packers nabbed in the late rounds that is setting the world on fire? They have a couple of decent ones ... but it is hit or miss. Like any other team.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

    And what exactly has the Patriots nabbed that late? Still hanging your hat on a lucky pick of Tom Brady? Because Julian Edelman is hardly the reason the Pats are winning.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
    I am not saying we draft better or worse than these franchises, but acting like they are elite franchises because they do so well in the late rounds is incorrect. They pretty much hit or miss as much as anyone else in those rounds.

    It is clear that we did good on DeGeare last year ... he might not be a stud, but hitting on a versatile lineman backup in the 5th round is good. It appears that we may have done well on Griffen, but time will tell. As for other years ... Brinkley and Sanford are very solid picks for where we got them ... Guion and Sullivan are very solid picks for where we got them ... Robison and Edwards are excellent picks for where we got them.

    Not sure what you folks are expecting from these late rounds.

    One thing to really notice about New England is the "accuracy by volume" approach they have. They love accumulating draft picks so they can draft a bunch of guys and hit on a few. It is a solid approach.
    2005
    # Dustin Fox, DB, Ohio State, (3rd round, 80th overall)
    # Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida, (4th round, 112th overall)
    # C.J. Mosley, DT, Missouri, (6th round, 191st overall)
    # Adrian Ward, CB, Texas-El Paso, (7th round, 219th overall)


    2006
    4 30 DE Ray Edwards Purdue (Excellent pick)
    5 16 CB Greg Blue Georgia

    2007
    3 8 (72) Marcus McCauley Fresno State
    4 3 (102) Brian Robison Texas
    5 9 (146) Aundrae Allison East Carolina
    6 2 (176) Rufus Alexander Oklahoma
    7 7 (217) Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina University
    7 23 (233) Chandler Williams Florida International

    2008
    John David Booty QB 6-3 213 USC
    Letroy Guion DT 6-4 295 Florida State
    John Sullivan C 6-4 284 Notre Dame

    Jaymar Johnson WR 6-0 176 Jackson State

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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093019
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1093018
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093017
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093014
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.
    Exactly who have the Packers nabbed in the late rounds that is setting the world on fire? They have a couple of decent ones ... but it is hit or miss. Like any other team.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

    And what exactly has the Patriots nabbed that late? Still hanging your hat on a lucky pick of Tom Brady? Because Julian Edelman is hardly the reason the Pats are winning.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
    I am not saying we draft better or worse than these franchises, but acting like they are elite franchises because they do so well in the late rounds is incorrect. They pretty much hit or miss as much as anyone else in those rounds.

    It is clear that we did good on DeGeare last year ... he might not be a stud, but hitting on a versatile lineman backup in the 5th round is good. It appears that we may have done well on Griffen, but time will tell. As for other years ... Brinkley and Sanford are very solid picks for where we got them ... Guion and Sullivan are very solid picks for where we got them ... Robison and Edwards are excellent picks for where we got them.

    Not sure what you folks are expecting from these late rounds.

    One thing to really notice about New England is the "accuracy by volume" approach they have. They love accumulating draft picks so they can draft a bunch of guys and hit on a few. It is a solid approach.
    2005
    # Dustin Fox, DB, Ohio State, (3rd round, 80th overall)
    # Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida, (4th round, 112th overall)
    # C.J. Mosley, DT, Missouri, (6th round, 191st overall)
    # Adrian Ward, CB, Texas-El Paso, (7th round, 219th overall)


    2006
    4 30 DE Ray Edwards Purdue (Excellent pick)
    5 16 CB Greg Blue Georgia

    2007
    3 8 (72) Marcus McCauley Fresno State
    4 3 (102) Brian Robison Texas
    5 9 (146) Aundrae Allison East Carolina
    6 2 (176) Rufus Alexander Oklahoma
    7 7 (217) Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina University
    7 23 (233) Chandler Williams Florida International

    2008
    John David Booty QB 6-3 213 USC
    Letroy Guion DT 6-4 295 Florida State
    John Sullivan C 6-4 284 Notre Dame

    Jaymar Johnson WR 6-0 176 Jackson State
    Fantastic ... you can copy and paste.

    Do you have a point? I had a point ... and made it. You just copied and pasted claiming one excellent pick.

    Again ... where are all the amazing Packers and Patriots picks?

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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1093020
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093019
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1093018
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093017
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093014
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.
    Exactly who have the Packers nabbed in the late rounds that is setting the world on fire? They have a couple of decent ones ... but it is hit or miss. Like any other team.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

    And what exactly has the Patriots nabbed that late? Still hanging your hat on a lucky pick of Tom Brady? Because Julian Edelman is hardly the reason the Pats are winning.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
    I am not saying we draft better or worse than these franchises, but acting like they are elite franchises because they do so well in the late rounds is incorrect. They pretty much hit or miss as much as anyone else in those rounds.

    It is clear that we did good on DeGeare last year ... he might not be a stud, but hitting on a versatile lineman backup in the 5th round is good. It appears that we may have done well on Griffen, but time will tell. As for other years ... Brinkley and Sanford are very solid picks for where we got them ... Guion and Sullivan are very solid picks for where we got them ... Robison and Edwards are excellent picks for where we got them.

    Not sure what you folks are expecting from these late rounds.

    One thing to really notice about New England is the "accuracy by volume" approach they have. They love accumulating draft picks so they can draft a bunch of guys and hit on a few. It is a solid approach.
    2005
    # Dustin Fox, DB, Ohio State, (3rd round, 80th overall)
    # Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida, (4th round, 112th overall)
    # C.J. Mosley, DT, Missouri, (6th round, 191st overall)
    # Adrian Ward, CB, Texas-El Paso, (7th round, 219th overall)


    2006
    4 30 DE Ray Edwards Purdue (Excellent pick)
    5 16 CB Greg Blue Georgia

    2007
    3 8 (72) Marcus McCauley Fresno State
    4 3 (102) Brian Robison Texas
    5 9 (146) Aundrae Allison East Carolina
    6 2 (176) Rufus Alexander Oklahoma
    7 7 (217) Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina University
    7 23 (233) Chandler Williams Florida International

    2008
    John David Booty QB 6-3 213 USC
    Letroy Guion DT 6-4 295 Florida State
    John Sullivan C 6-4 284 Notre Dame

    Jaymar Johnson WR 6-0 176 Jackson State
    Fantastic ... you can copy and paste.

    Do you have a point? I had a point ... and made it. You just copied and pasted claiming one excellent pick.

    Again ... where are all the amazing Packers and Patriots picks?
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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

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    Thanks...I usually only come here to take a look these days.
    Good to see you posting again.

    Gotta agree with the Doc, I don't think we are going to see Carson in purple this year. Truth of the matter is, the owner of the Bengals just doesn't cotton/or put up with threats/holdouts.

    If Carson wants to play he will have to do it as a Bengal. If he doesn't want to be a Bengal then he won't play football as the Bengals hold all the rights at least until 2015.

    From our good friends at Rotoworld.
    12/29/2005: Signed a six-year, $118.75 million contract extension through 2014. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus and a third-year option bonus of $9 million. 2011-2012: $11.5 million, 2013: $13 million, 2014: $14 million, 2015: Free Agent
    There are some out there that think the following might happen that could change that.....

    a. Bengals take a QB instead of a WR with their first pick which would cost them significantly. (= 1 Highly paid QB on the roster)
    b. Carson decides to show up for camp and says, I'm here, pay me my 11.5 Mill. (= 2 Highly paid QB's on the roster)
    c. Owner decides he can't pay both and elects to move Carson.

    Problem is, the team that would then get Carson would have to eat up that contract or atleast be ready to restructure it. If you watched the Bengals at all this year you would have seen that alot of their problems can be traced to QB accuracey, or in this case, lack there of.

    As a closet Benglas fan, trust me when I tell you that he had pretty good WR's at his disposal last year and flat out couldn't get it done (26 TDs/20 INT's) even though his numbers were pretty much on par for his career.

    On a side note, I would say, however, that if the Vikings did get Carson he would be the best QB this team has had in alot of years. I'm just not sure if we aren't seeing him on the start of a bad downward slide.
    Nice dig on Brett.

    Truth be told if we dont get a new center he would just end up being the next old qb who gets busted up and sent to retirement
    Wasn't a dig my friend. I think that between the two, skillset RIGHT NOW, Carson is better.

    Comparatively speaking, they were both on about the same type of team (talent wise) and one did better than the other, if you take it one step further and look over the last 4 or 5 years, Carson has been more consistent and better (Barring 2008).

    Again, not a dig.
    Did you see Palmer play last year? He was terrible. No, I don't think the comparison works my friend and I like Palmer better than Farve for the most part.
    I did, alot and have stated on here numerous times how awfull he looked. What I have also done, is to look at the stats.

    Tells another whole story my friend.
    The bengals are drafting at what spot my fried? And they had 2 top 15 type WR's on the roster. No, sadly even in his worst year #4 still was a better QB than Palmer and Brett was busted up from day 1.
    *********sigh************
    The Bengals are drafting ahead of us for more reasons than their passing woes my friend.

    That being said, I would not be upset if we did end up with him on the roster as a stop gap. Heck, I have lived through Jim McMahon, Archie Manning, The second coming of Tark, Jeff George, Cunningham, Moon etc so this would just be another brick in the wall as far as I am concerned.
    My biggest issue with Carson is that it would cost us a pick. If we are going to burn a pick I would much rather have Kolb.

    Is there still some questions surrounding him? SURE. But the upside is considerable wereas, Carson seems to be on a downward trend or atleast we are seeing what COULD be the beginnings of that downward trend.

    One thing to bare in mind with trading for any Vet, you are almost giving up on the year (much like you are with a rookie) as it will take time for him to get to know the recievers. If you don't get Kolb or Carson until the last preseason game, it will be ugly the first 3 or 4 weeks. Again, Kolb is more attractive as you will have him for more years.

    Nope, for me, take a kid at 12 or give the pick up and get Kolb. Only thing right now that makes any kindof sense.
    I wouldn't burn a pick on either of them. If they would get released and we could sign them outright while renegotiating their contracts then I would be on board but giving up draft picks when we are already down? No way.
    Meh, I think you worry too much about missing a 3rd round pick. The fact that we are picking in the top half of the first and second round makes up for it.
    When you look at 09 we had the 30th 60th and 90, approximately. This year we have the 12th and 42nd approximately. According to the value chart our 2 this year are worth more than our 3 last year.
    Not saying we should waste picks, but we desperately need a Qb. Let's get the best one we can, even if it costs a pick or two.
    It isn't just this year. We sent a first,2 thirds and a 6th to get JA, We burned extra picks to go up and get Toby (Not a big deal but it was still 2 picks for 1 player), Tarvaris Jackson ( 2 Thirds)

    I don't want to see us continually give up multiple picks for players or to send picks that we could be using to build for the future on players who are either old or largely unproven and who will already bring a high price tag with them.
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    I didn't mean it was insignificant. Only that we only moved up 11 spots to take him. It wasn't a move I was pleased with considering there were probably 3rd down backs available later in the draft or in Free Agency and we used the pick that we could have used to get Best.

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    Re: Peter King links Vikes to Palmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093014
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.
    Exactly who have the Packers nabbed in the late rounds that is setting the world on fire? They have a couple of decent ones ... but it is hit or miss. Like any other team.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

    And what exactly has the Patriots nabbed that late? Still hanging your hat on a lucky pick of Tom Brady? Because Julian Edelman is hardly the reason the Pats are winning.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm
    I am not saying we draft better or worse than these franchises, but acting like they are elite franchises because they do so well in the late rounds is incorrect. They pretty much hit or miss as much as anyone else in those rounds.

    It is clear that we did good on DeGeare last year ... he might not be a stud, but hitting on a versatile lineman backup in the 5th round is good. It appears that we may have done well on Griffen, but time will tell. As for other years ... Brinkley and Sanford are very solid picks for where we got them ... Guion and Sullivan are very solid picks for where we got them ... Robison and Edwards are excellent picks for where we got them.

    Not sure what you folks are expecting from these late rounds.

    One thing to really notice about New England is the "accuracy by volume" approach they have. They love accumulating draft picks so they can draft a bunch of guys and hit on a few. It is a solid approach.
    2005
    # Dustin Fox, DB, Ohio State, (3rd round, 80th overall)
    # Ciatrick Fason, RB, Florida, (4th round, 112th overall)
    # C.J. Mosley, DT, Missouri, (6th round, 191st overall)
    # Adrian Ward, CB, Texas-El Paso, (7th round, 219th overall)


    2006
    4 30 DE Ray Edwards Purdue (Excellent pick)
    5 16 CB Greg Blue Georgia

    2007
    3 8 (72) Marcus McCauley Fresno State
    4 3 (102) Brian Robison Texas
    5 9 (146) Aundrae Allison East Carolina
    6 2 (176) Rufus Alexander Oklahoma
    7 7 (217) Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina University
    7 23 (233) Chandler Williams Florida International

    2008
    John David Booty QB 6-3 213 USC
    Letroy Guion DT 6-4 295 Florida State
    John Sullivan C 6-4 284 Notre Dame

    Jaymar Johnson WR 6-0 176 Jackson State
    Fantastic ... you can copy and paste.

    Do you have a point? I had a point ... and made it. You just copied and pasted claiming one excellent pick.

    Again ... where are all the amazing Packers and Patriots picks?
    I never mentioned Pack/Pats. I was providing more info for the discussion. The fact remains....we need better production from our draft picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1093004
    Meh, I think you worry too much about missing a 3rd round pick. The fact that we are picking in the top half of the first and second round makes up for it.
    When you look at 09 we had the 30th 60th and 90, approximately. This year we have the 12th and 42nd approximately. According to the value chart our 2 this year are worth more than our 3 last year.
    Not saying we should waste picks, but we desperately need a Qb. Let's get the best one we can, even if it costs a pick or two.
    We all know that the draft probably won't go anywhere close to what my mock looks like, however, if it did, these are the guys we could have picked in the 3rd...

    From my mock
    Brooks Reed, OLB
    Chris Carter, OLB
    Greg McElroy, QB
    Brandon Fusco, C
    Tyler Sash, SS/FS
    Jordan Todman, RB
    Dontay Moch, WLB
    Jake Kirkpatrick, OC/OG
    Danny Watkins, RT/OG
    Marcus Gilchrist, FS/CB
    Lawrence Guy, DE/DT
    Lawrence Wilson, OLB
    Jeremy Kerley, WR
    Instead we get Terrence Toliver, WR in the third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093017
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093014
    How can you say not a big deal?
    Who gives up a 3rd rounder to draft a player to sit behind Adrian Peterson. It's the most boneheaded move this FO has ever made and I have lost all faith in them. We have received nothing from this front office outside of our 1st and 2nd round picks. Anyone can draft talented players in the 1st and 2nd round. All other picks have been trash!

    2009 was the best we have done with sub 2nd round picks

    Round 3, Pick 22
    Asher Allen CB

    Round 5 Jasper Brinkley
    ILB 6'2" 252 South Carolina

    Round 7 Jamarca Sanford FS 5'10" 214
    Preach on my Purple Brutha...

    Been sayin the same thing for a while now. Outside of our top two picks, our drafting has been shit.

    Wanna know why the Packers and Pats seem to do so well? They draft well. Not just flashy big-name players, but key role players with their 3rd-6th round picks.

    Who do we get? We get guys that Marrdro loves but can't play football.
    Marrdro loves em cause when asked they step in early. You don't love em cause they play like rookies when they step in early.

    What the heck do you expect the staff to do, draft a HOF'r at every spot?

    Gimme a break. This is the only fan site out there were posters believe rookies should play without making mistakes. Heck, most sites the fans understand that rookies shouldn't be even on the field their first year.

    Problem for us, we keep fricken starting over every 3 or 4 years, that means we have to play those kids instead of letting the roster settle out to the point that rooks aren't expected to do anything other than play on ST's or do some backup duty.

    If we could keep some consistency, the team, ala the Steelers, would settle out over a given time frame to the point you had reliable vet starters on the field.

    Instead, every 4 years or so, just as the players are starting to get it, we change at the top, those players move on, and we start all over again.

    Fricken amazing.
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