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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098532
    I disagree that he is a top 5 talent.

    He can't even hold the jock of guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson,Randy Moss, Fitz, Reggie Wayne,Roddy White,Vincent Jackson and Greg Jennings. I would put in in the top 20 but that is it.

    Heck, even older guys like Ocho and TO would be more productive for a team on the field than Rice.

    Throw in new guys like Crabtree, Dez Bryant,Dwayne Bowe,AJ Green, Julio Jones etc and Rice would have to be in the right situation to stay in the top 20.
    I just said CAN, not is right now. He's got the size and ability to make any catch anywhere. He's not the fastest guy, but if you heave a ball his way, more often than not he makes the catc. That's what I'd value in a receiver over a guy like Jennings, who's good in all facets, but not really great in any one.

    I think with another year or two playing full-time with a decent QB, he COULD be a top WR in the league, and I think teams will be willing to pay for that chance.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098532
    I disagree that he is a top 5 talent.

    He can't even hold the jock of guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson,Randy Moss, Fitz, Reggie Wayne,Roddy White,Vincent Jackson and Greg Jennings. I would put in in the top 20 but that is it.

    Heck, even older guys like Ocho and TO would be more productive for a team on the field than Rice.

    Throw in new guys like Crabtree, Dez Bryant,Dwayne Bowe,AJ Green, Julio Jones etc and Rice would have to be in the right situation to stay in the top 20.
    Let's hope other teams feel that way also. If that is the case, we will be able to keep him. If other GM's feel he is a top 5 talent, we may as well let him go as he would cost too much for us to keep.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098534
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098498
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098418
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098279
    Rice had a breakout year in 2009 when he racked up 83 catches for 1,312 yards and 8 touchdowns. He was one of ten Vikings to be selected to the Pro Bowl in 2009 as well.

    Rice was sidelined for most of the 2010 season recovering from his hip surgery, but played a great game against the Buffalo Bills week 13 where he caught 5 passes for 105 yards and scored 2 touchdowns. Did I mention Tarvaris Jackson was the guy throwing to him that game, not Favre?
    Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Lets see, did he make the Noodle look good in 2009 and TJ look good in 2010? ........snicker......
    Rice has been an undependable player over the past few years. Mostly due to injury.

    Bear in mind that Rice didn't emerge until Favre showed faith in him in '09. In '07 he showed us that he had some great hands and could potentially be something special...but in '08 he faded, ending with only 15 receptions in 13 games. No one, including YOU, Marrdro, was saying Rice was carrying anyone at that point.

    Then comes '09. Favre commits to making Rice a star, Rice steps up, and 83 catches later people start saying that Rice is carrying Favre/the Vikings.

    He wasn't.

    That was proven in '10 when he returned from injury and was limited to 17 receptions in 6 games. He had one great performance - "the Bail out" with Jackson, but other than that, it wasn't much to write home about.

    And, contrary to the assertions of a certain pot stirrer, Rice, Harvin, and the rest were unable to "carry" any of the Viking QB's anywhere....

    Do we NEED Rice?

    No. Not in my opinion.

    He adds to our offense - when he's healthy - but he doesn't carry it. Peterson and Harvin do that much more than Sidney. And, honestly, we need a guy we can count on to be there. With Rice's injury history, can we bank on him? Especially considering that it will take major bank to KEEP him?

    Caine
    First, Rice emerged about the time a young reciever usually does....3rd year.

    Second, your opinion of guys like Rice and Edwards are just about as predictable as my opinion of the Noodle.
    Where is my opinion wrong?

    Did Rice demonstrate break out potential prior to Favre's arrival?

    Did Rice carry the team when he returned in '10?

    Has Rice been a consistent force on the field or has he been injury ridden?

    Where am I wrong?

    Fact is, while we definitely need a receiver - or three - we need guys who will be on the field...not getting surgery right before the season starts, or coming up lame. We also need guys who can produce under "other than ideal conditions".

    In short, one good season does not a superstar make.

    So, if by claiming that my opinions are "predictable" you mean they are "factually accurate", or "spot on" as Purple Floyd stated (Thanks, btw), I agree.

    Caine
    predictable=negative=caine, purple floyd
    So yes during the last year you were spot on as everything went completely negative.
    LOL.

    If hating losing = negative then hell yeah, sign me up.

    If failing to defend a failed coach and his failed plan = predictable then shit, sign me up to that one too.

    If not fully supporting an elaborate stadium funded by the taxpayers that will never support itself when a more modest venue similar to what the rest of the division has means I am not a true fan then label with whatever name makes you feel better.

    But after that is said and done let me provide an alternate suggestion.

    Maybe, just maybe if the team could put the same energy into building a winning team that they have on begging for a stadium they could actually do the unspeakable and win a SB or two, grow the fan base and put a product on the field so popular that they need a new building to fit the extra fans that are waiting in line for tickets and you will see a PF with an ear to ear grin.

    But hey, if you are happy and content wallowing in failure, bribery and disappointment that is your choice and it is perfectly fine with me.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    [quote="Purple Floyd" #1098545]
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098534
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098498
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098456
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098418
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098279
    Rice had a breakout year in 2009 when he racked up 83 catches for 1,312 yards and 8 touchdowns. He was one of ten Vikings to be selected to the Pro Bowl in 2009 as well.

    Rice was sidelined for most of the 2010 season recovering from his hip surgery, but played a great game against the Buffalo Bills week 13 where he caught 5 passes for 105 yards and scored 2 touchdowns. Did I mention Tarvaris Jackson was the guy throwing to him that game, not Favre?
    Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Lets see, did he make the Noodle look good in 2009 and TJ look good in 2010? ........snicker......
    Rice has been an undependable player over the past few years. Mostly due to injury.

    Bear in mind that Rice didn't emerge until Favre showed faith in him in '09. In '07 he showed us that he had some great hands and could potentially be something special...but in '08 he faded, ending with only 15 receptions in 13 games. No one, including YOU, Marrdro, was saying Rice was carrying anyone at that point.

    Then comes '09. Favre commits to making Rice a star, Rice steps up, and 83 catches later people start saying that Rice is carrying Favre/the Vikings.

    He wasn't.

    That was proven in '10 when he returned from injury and was limited to 17 receptions in 6 games. He had one great performance - "the Bail out" with Jackson, but other than that, it wasn't much to write home about.

    And, contrary to the assertions of a certain pot stirrer, Rice, Harvin, and the rest were unable to "carry" any of the Viking QB's anywhere....

    Do we NEED Rice?

    No. Not in my opinion.

    He adds to our offense - when he's healthy - but he doesn't carry it. Peterson and Harvin do that much more than Sidney. And, honestly, we need a guy we can count on to be there. With Rice's injury history, can we bank on him? Especially considering that it will take major bank to KEEP him?

    Caine
    First, Rice emerged about the time a young reciever usually does....3rd year.

    Second, your opinion of guys like Rice and Edwards are just about as predictable as my opinion of the Noodle.
    Where is my opinion wrong?

    Did Rice demonstrate break out potential prior to Favre's arrival?

    Did Rice carry the team when he returned in '10?

    Has Rice been a consistent force on the field or has he been injury ridden?

    Where am I wrong?

    Fact is, while we definitely need a receiver - or three - we need guys who will be on the field...not getting surgery right before the season starts, or coming up lame. We also need guys who can produce under "other than ideal conditions".

    In short, one good season does not a superstar make.

    So, if by claiming that my opinions are "predictable" you mean they are "factually accurate", or "spot on" as Purple Floyd stated (Thanks, btw), I agree.

    Caine
    predictable=negative=caine, purple floyd
    So yes during the last year you were spot on as everything went completely negative.
    LOL.

    If hating losing = negative then hell yeah, sign me up.

    If failing to defend a failed coach and his failed plan = predictable then shit, sign me up to that one too.

    If not fully supporting an elaborate stadium funded by the taxpayers that will never support itself when a more modest venue similar to what the rest of the division has means I am not a true fan then label with whatever name makes you feel better.

    But after that is said and done let me provide an alternate suggestion.

    Maybe, just maybe if the team could put the same energy into building a winning team that they have on begging for a stadium they could actually do the unspeakable and win a SB or two, grow the fan base and put a product on the field so popular that they need a new building to fit the extra fans that are waiting in line for tickets and you will see a PF with an ear to ear grin.

    But hey, if you are happy and content wallowing in failure, bribery and disappointment that is your choice and it is perfectly fine with me.[/quote]

    Now you are beginning to understand what being a Viking fan is all about. Welcome young Purp
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098545
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098534
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098498
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098456
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098418
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098279
    Rice had a breakout year in 2009 when he racked up 83 catches for 1,312 yards and 8 touchdowns. He was one of ten Vikings to be selected to the Pro Bowl in 2009 as well.

    Rice was sidelined for most of the 2010 season recovering from his hip surgery, but played a great game against the Buffalo Bills week 13 where he caught 5 passes for 105 yards and scored 2 touchdowns. Did I mention Tarvaris Jackson was the guy throwing to him that game, not Favre?
    Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Lets see, did he make the Noodle look good in 2009 and TJ look good in 2010? ........snicker......
    Rice has been an undependable player over the past few years. Mostly due to injury.

    Bear in mind that Rice didn't emerge until Favre showed faith in him in '09. In '07 he showed us that he had some great hands and could potentially be something special...but in '08 he faded, ending with only 15 receptions in 13 games. No one, including YOU, Marrdro, was saying Rice was carrying anyone at that point.

    Then comes '09. Favre commits to making Rice a star, Rice steps up, and 83 catches later people start saying that Rice is carrying Favre/the Vikings.

    He wasn't.

    That was proven in '10 when he returned from injury and was limited to 17 receptions in 6 games. He had one great performance - "the Bail out" with Jackson, but other than that, it wasn't much to write home about.

    And, contrary to the assertions of a certain pot stirrer, Rice, Harvin, and the rest were unable to "carry" any of the Viking QB's anywhere....

    Do we NEED Rice?

    No. Not in my opinion.

    He adds to our offense - when he's healthy - but he doesn't carry it. Peterson and Harvin do that much more than Sidney. And, honestly, we need a guy we can count on to be there. With Rice's injury history, can we bank on him? Especially considering that it will take major bank to KEEP him?

    Caine
    First, Rice emerged about the time a young reciever usually does....3rd year.

    Second, your opinion of guys like Rice and Edwards are just about as predictable as my opinion of the Noodle.
    Where is my opinion wrong?

    Did Rice demonstrate break out potential prior to Favre's arrival?

    Did Rice carry the team when he returned in '10?

    Has Rice been a consistent force on the field or has he been injury ridden?

    Where am I wrong?

    Fact is, while we definitely need a receiver - or three - we need guys who will be on the field...not getting surgery right before the season starts, or coming up lame. We also need guys who can produce under "other than ideal conditions".

    In short, one good season does not a superstar make.

    So, if by claiming that my opinions are "predictable" you mean they are "factually accurate", or "spot on" as Purple Floyd stated (Thanks, btw), I agree.

    Caine
    predictable=negative=caine, purple floyd
    So yes during the last year you were spot on as everything went completely negative.
    LOL.

    If hating losing = negative then hell yeah, sign me up.

    If failing to defend a failed coach and his failed plan = predictable then shit, sign me up to that one too.

    If not fully supporting an elaborate stadium funded by the taxpayers that will never support itself when a more modest venue similar to what the rest of the division has means I am not a true fan then label with whatever name makes you feel better.

    But after that is said and done let me provide an alternate suggestion.

    Maybe, just maybe if the team could put the same energy into building a winning team that they have on begging for a stadium they could actually do the unspeakable and win a SB or two, grow the fan base and put a product on the field so popular that they need a new building to fit the extra fans that are waiting in line for tickets and you will see a PF with an ear to ear grin.

    But hey, if you are happy and content wallowing in failure, bribery and disappointment that is your choice and it is perfectly fine with me.
    I agree with you on much(especial the stadium situation).
    It's just a realization I made a while back about Caine(and I linked you, perhaps unfairly, because you usually agree with caine).

    When you realize someone is negative about every coach and and QB we have had since before I was born, it helps put things in perspective.

    I would never accuse you or Caine of not being a fan, just a different perspective.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1098535
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098532
    I disagree that he is a top 5 talent.

    He can't even hold the jock of guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson,Randy Moss, Fitz, Reggie Wayne,Roddy White,Vincent Jackson and Greg Jennings. I would put in in the top 20 but that is it.

    Heck, even older guys like Ocho and TO would be more productive for a team on the field than Rice.

    Throw in new guys like Crabtree, Dez Bryant,Dwayne Bowe,AJ Green, Julio Jones etc and Rice would have to be in the right situation to stay in the top 20.
    I just said CAN, not is right now. He's got the size and ability to make any catch anywhere. He's not the fastest guy, but if you heave a ball his way, more often than not he makes the catc. That's what I'd value in a receiver over a guy like Jennings, who's good in all facets, but not really great in any one.

    I think with another year or two playing full-time with a decent QB, he COULD be a top WR in the league, and I think teams will be willing to pay for that chance.
    Kirwan puts Rice in his Group E of receivers, 21-25 ranking.

    Grab bag: Game’s best WRs ride first-round pedigree

    4. Sidney Rice, Vikings (^): If four-year players turn out to be free agents when we have a new CBA, he will be one of the most in demand. He has Randy Moss qualities. In his last 22 games, he has 100 receptions, 10 touchdowns and just under 16 yards a catch.
    Seems pretty fair. He has Sydney grouped with Donald Driver, TO, Santana Moss and Hines Ward. He lists him on the rise.

    The potential of Rice will make him attractive, however, his injury history should make teams a little squeamish about spending big time dollars. I love the guy when he's playing, but you can't discount his tendency for injuries.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1098563
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1098535
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098532
    I disagree that he is a top 5 talent.

    He can't even hold the jock of guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson,Randy Moss, Fitz, Reggie Wayne,Roddy White,Vincent Jackson and Greg Jennings. I would put in in the top 20 but that is it.

    Heck, even older guys like Ocho and TO would be more productive for a team on the field than Rice.

    Throw in new guys like Crabtree, Dez Bryant,Dwayne Bowe,AJ Green, Julio Jones etc and Rice would have to be in the right situation to stay in the top 20.
    I just said CAN, not is right now. He's got the size and ability to make any catch anywhere. He's not the fastest guy, but if you heave a ball his way, more often than not he makes the catc. That's what I'd value in a receiver over a guy like Jennings, who's good in all facets, but not really great in any one.

    I think with another year or two playing full-time with a decent QB, he COULD be a top WR in the league, and I think teams will be willing to pay for that chance.
    Kirwan puts Rice in his Group E of receivers, 21-25 ranking.

    Grab bag: Game’s best WRs ride first-round pedigree

    4. Sidney Rice, Vikings (^): If four-year players turn out to be free agents when we have a new CBA, he will be one of the most in demand. He has Randy Moss qualities. In his last 22 games, he has 100 receptions, 10 touchdowns and just under 16 yards a catch.
    Seems pretty fair. He has Sydney grouped with Donald Driver, TO, Santana Moss and Hines Ward. He lists him on the rise.

    The potential of Rice will make him attractive, however, his injury history should make teams a little squeamish about spending big time dollars. I love the guy when he's playing, but you can't discount his tendency for injuries.
    yes, it seems fair. RIGHT NOW, his current skills I'd put him top-15 when healthy.

    However, he has the upside and potential to become a top-5 guy in the league. Whether he lives up to it, who knows. But there will be teams willing to take a chance on that.

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098560
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098545
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098534
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098498
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098456
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098418
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098279
    Rice had a breakout year in 2009 when he racked up 83 catches for 1,312 yards and 8 touchdowns. He was one of ten Vikings to be selected to the Pro Bowl in 2009 as well.

    Rice was sidelined for most of the 2010 season recovering from his hip surgery, but played a great game against the Buffalo Bills week 13 where he caught 5 passes for 105 yards and scored 2 touchdowns. Did I mention Tarvaris Jackson was the guy throwing to him that game, not Favre?
    Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Lets see, did he make the Noodle look good in 2009 and TJ look good in 2010? ........snicker......
    Rice has been an undependable player over the past few years. Mostly due to injury.

    Bear in mind that Rice didn't emerge until Favre showed faith in him in '09. In '07 he showed us that he had some great hands and could potentially be something special...but in '08 he faded, ending with only 15 receptions in 13 games. No one, including YOU, Marrdro, was saying Rice was carrying anyone at that point.

    Then comes '09. Favre commits to making Rice a star, Rice steps up, and 83 catches later people start saying that Rice is carrying Favre/the Vikings.

    He wasn't.

    That was proven in '10 when he returned from injury and was limited to 17 receptions in 6 games. He had one great performance - "the Bail out" with Jackson, but other than that, it wasn't much to write home about.

    And, contrary to the assertions of a certain pot stirrer, Rice, Harvin, and the rest were unable to "carry" any of the Viking QB's anywhere....

    Do we NEED Rice?

    No. Not in my opinion.

    He adds to our offense - when he's healthy - but he doesn't carry it. Peterson and Harvin do that much more than Sidney. And, honestly, we need a guy we can count on to be there. With Rice's injury history, can we bank on him? Especially considering that it will take major bank to KEEP him?

    Caine
    First, Rice emerged about the time a young reciever usually does....3rd year.

    Second, your opinion of guys like Rice and Edwards are just about as predictable as my opinion of the Noodle.
    Where is my opinion wrong?

    Did Rice demonstrate break out potential prior to Favre's arrival?

    Did Rice carry the team when he returned in '10?

    Has Rice been a consistent force on the field or has he been injury ridden?

    Where am I wrong?

    Fact is, while we definitely need a receiver - or three - we need guys who will be on the field...not getting surgery right before the season starts, or coming up lame. We also need guys who can produce under "other than ideal conditions".

    In short, one good season does not a superstar make.

    So, if by claiming that my opinions are "predictable" you mean they are "factually accurate", or "spot on" as Purple Floyd stated (Thanks, btw), I agree.

    Caine
    predictable=negative=caine, purple floyd
    So yes during the last year you were spot on as everything went completely negative.
    LOL.

    If hating losing = negative then hell yeah, sign me up.

    If failing to defend a failed coach and his failed plan = predictable then shit, sign me up to that one too.

    If not fully supporting an elaborate stadium funded by the taxpayers that will never support itself when a more modest venue similar to what the rest of the division has means I am not a true fan then label with whatever name makes you feel better.

    But after that is said and done let me provide an alternate suggestion.

    Maybe, just maybe if the team could put the same energy into building a winning team that they have on begging for a stadium they could actually do the unspeakable and win a SB or two, grow the fan base and put a product on the field so popular that they need a new building to fit the extra fans that are waiting in line for tickets and you will see a PF with an ear to ear grin.

    But hey, if you are happy and content wallowing in failure, bribery and disappointment that is your choice and it is perfectly fine with me.
    I agree with you on much(especial the stadium situation).
    It's just a realization I made a while back about Caine(and I linked you, perhaps unfairly, because you usually agree with caine).

    When you realize someone is negative about every coach and and QB we have had since before I was born, it helps put things in perspective.

    I would never accuse you or Caine of not being a fan, just a different perspective.
    Wow, not being sold on the greatness of Childress makes me negative?

    Not being a huge fan of Denny Green (Who stripped a defense to build an offense, then imploded the team with selfishness) makes me negative?

    I actually SUPPORTED Tice, who got a crap deal, but feel free to ignore that period of positiveness as it doesn't fit with your attempt to characterize me as a negative person.

    I didn't like Jackson as the starter - and was proven right - so I'm negative?

    I like Favre though...but was unhappy with teh lack of effort to have a replacement ON THE ROSTER...so that must put me in the nagative column again...

    Oh...and I poo-poohed Rey Edward's boxing career....correctly...

    And now I'm simply saying I don't think Rice is worth huge money...

    On the flip side, I staunchly support Peterson, Harvin, Greenway, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, Antoine Winfield, Kleinsasser, Robison, Kluwe, and a host of other players...but that doesn't fit with your "Negative" assessment.

    Seems to me that your characterization lens is set to a very narrow focus....


    ...but that must just be me being negative again...

    See, if your RIGHT, you're not positive or negative, you're RIGHT.

    Let me put this another way.

    jmcdon00 and Caine are looking at a frosted turd.

    jmcdon00: But it has fosting!!!

    Caine: It's a turd.

    jmcdon00: But it has FROSTING!!!

    Caine: It's a flippin TURD!!!

    jmcdon00: You're so negative!! It has frosting, and frosting is delicious!!

    Caine: It's a turd!!!

    jmcdon00: My GOD are you ever negative!! Why can't you ever see the positive side of things!!

    Caine: Ok....go ahead and eat it....

    jmcdon00: **cough** **gag** **barf**


    ...but it had frosting???

    Caine: It was a turd...



    Clearer now?

    Caine

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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Being a Vikings fan is an evolutionary process. Over time the optomism of youth gives way to reality and the skepticism of experience takes hold. Most skeptics like to know what's under the frosting before taking a big bite.
    I'm not labeling anyone here as a skeptic but the Vikings have provided enough disappointment to it's fans to understand a little skepticism.

    We look at Rice and debate whether his performance warrants a huge long term contract. When the reality of the situation may have more to do with whether or not Rice wants to commit long term to a team that has a new head coach, offensive coordinator, rookie QB, and is picked to be a division bottom feeder, for who knows how long. Add in the fact that Rice may not want to live in a northern city as well as his representation by the avaricious Jerry McGuire wannabee agent, and Rice leaving may have less to do with a huge contract than we think.

    These players are in it for the money primarily, but they like to hold onto the illusion they will win a ring.

    Winning is important when things are going well with a team. Money is important when things aren't going well.

    Someone will offer him a big contract if he's unrestricted. That someone could be the Vikings.

    Will he display any loyalty to the Vikings?


    I'm skeptical.
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    Re: Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098570
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098560
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098545
    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1098534
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098498
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098456
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098418
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098279
    Rice had a breakout year in 2009 when he racked up 83 catches for 1,312 yards and 8 touchdowns. He was one of ten Vikings to be selected to the Pro Bowl in 2009 as well.

    Rice was sidelined for most of the 2010 season recovering from his hip surgery, but played a great game against the Buffalo Bills week 13 where he caught 5 passes for 105 yards and scored 2 touchdowns. Did I mention Tarvaris Jackson was the guy throwing to him that game, not Favre?
    Personal Opinion- Vikings Cannot Let Rice Get Away

    Lets see, did he make the Noodle look good in 2009 and TJ look good in 2010? ........snicker......
    Rice has been an undependable player over the past few years. Mostly due to injury.

    Bear in mind that Rice didn't emerge until Favre showed faith in him in '09. In '07 he showed us that he had some great hands and could potentially be something special...but in '08 he faded, ending with only 15 receptions in 13 games. No one, including YOU, Marrdro, was saying Rice was carrying anyone at that point.

    Then comes '09. Favre commits to making Rice a star, Rice steps up, and 83 catches later people start saying that Rice is carrying Favre/the Vikings.

    He wasn't.

    That was proven in '10 when he returned from injury and was limited to 17 receptions in 6 games. He had one great performance - "the Bail out" with Jackson, but other than that, it wasn't much to write home about.

    And, contrary to the assertions of a certain pot stirrer, Rice, Harvin, and the rest were unable to "carry" any of the Viking QB's anywhere....

    Do we NEED Rice?

    No. Not in my opinion.

    He adds to our offense - when he's healthy - but he doesn't carry it. Peterson and Harvin do that much more than Sidney. And, honestly, we need a guy we can count on to be there. With Rice's injury history, can we bank on him? Especially considering that it will take major bank to KEEP him?

    Caine
    First, Rice emerged about the time a young reciever usually does....3rd year.

    Second, your opinion of guys like Rice and Edwards are just about as predictable as my opinion of the Noodle.
    Where is my opinion wrong?

    Did Rice demonstrate break out potential prior to Favre's arrival?

    Did Rice carry the team when he returned in '10?

    Has Rice been a consistent force on the field or has he been injury ridden?

    Where am I wrong?

    Fact is, while we definitely need a receiver - or three - we need guys who will be on the field...not getting surgery right before the season starts, or coming up lame. We also need guys who can produce under "other than ideal conditions".

    In short, one good season does not a superstar make.

    So, if by claiming that my opinions are "predictable" you mean they are "factually accurate", or "spot on" as Purple Floyd stated (Thanks, btw), I agree.

    Caine
    predictable=negative=caine, purple floyd
    So yes during the last year you were spot on as everything went completely negative.
    LOL.

    If hating losing = negative then hell yeah, sign me up.

    If failing to defend a failed coach and his failed plan = predictable then shit, sign me up to that one too.

    If not fully supporting an elaborate stadium funded by the taxpayers that will never support itself when a more modest venue similar to what the rest of the division has means I am not a true fan then label with whatever name makes you feel better.

    But after that is said and done let me provide an alternate suggestion.

    Maybe, just maybe if the team could put the same energy into building a winning team that they have on begging for a stadium they could actually do the unspeakable and win a SB or two, grow the fan base and put a product on the field so popular that they need a new building to fit the extra fans that are waiting in line for tickets and you will see a PF with an ear to ear grin.

    But hey, if you are happy and content wallowing in failure, bribery and disappointment that is your choice and it is perfectly fine with me.
    I agree with you on much(especial the stadium situation).
    It's just a realization I made a while back about Caine(and I linked you, perhaps unfairly, because you usually agree with caine).

    When you realize someone is negative about every coach and and QB we have had since before I was born, it helps put things in perspective.

    I would never accuse you or Caine of not being a fan, just a different perspective.
    Wow, not being sold on the greatness of Childress makes me negative?

    Not being a huge fan of Denny Green (Who stripped a defense to build an offense, then imploded the team with selfishness) makes me negative?

    I actually SUPPORTED Tice, who got a crap deal, but feel free to ignore that period of positiveness as it doesn't fit with your attempt to characterize me as a negative person.

    I didn't like Jackson as the starter - and was proven right - so I'm negative?

    I like Favre though...but was unhappy with teh lack of effort to have a replacement ON THE ROSTER...so that must put me in the nagative column again...

    Oh...and I poo-poohed Rey Edward's boxing career....correctly...

    And now I'm simply saying I don't think Rice is worth huge money...

    On the flip side, I staunchly support Peterson, Harvin, Greenway, Kevin Williams, Jared Allen, Antoine Winfield, Kleinsasser, Robison, Kluwe, and a host of other players...but that doesn't fit with your "Negative" assessment.

    Seems to me that your characterization lens is set to a very narrow focus....


    ...but that must just be me being negative again...

    See, if your RIGHT, you're not positive or negative, you're RIGHT.

    Let me put this another way.

    jmcdon00 and Caine are looking at a frosted turd.

    jmcdon00: But it has fosting!!!

    Caine: It's a turd.

    jmcdon00: But it has FROSTING!!!

    Caine: It's a flippin TURD!!!

    jmcdon00: You're so negative!! It has frosting, and frosting is delicious!!

    Caine: It's a turd!!!

    jmcdon00: My GOD are you ever negative!! Why can't you ever see the positive side of things!!

    Caine: Ok....go ahead and eat it....

    jmcdon00: **cough** **gag** **barf**


    ...but it had frosting???

    Caine: It was a turd...



    Clearer now?

    Caine
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frosted%20turd
    *walks away slowly.

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