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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

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    Thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.

    Couple of problems with a article like this.......

    1.
    They ruin your day and remind you that Gross and Carey signed.

    2.
    They never really break down R and L Tackles when they talk about them.
    Beatty, Loadholt and Meredith were all LT's.
    Why would anyone think they could come in and start at RT in our blocking scheme?
    Well I have seen some thoughts of people who think we could bring in a LT and then move McKinnie to RT - so is that a feasible option or would he want a contract extension for having to learn a new position?

    I've seen that as well.
    Problem for me is then you have both T's learning under fire again.
    I for one am tired of watching people learn on the field.
    I always get a kick out of this... some are tired of people "learning on the field" and then others will question someone like Sullivan and say "well, how many snaps has he taken in the NFL?"

    All players learn on the field as there is no way to simulate a live NFL game.
    You can't simulate that speed nor the adrenaline and physicality of a real game except to play in one.

    Lets be honest here... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to play Tackle in this league.
    How about moving Birk back out to RT while we give Sullivan time at Center?
    The true measure of a man is what he'd do knowing he'd never be found out.

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "AngloVike" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.

    Couple of problems with a article like this.......

    1.
    They ruin your day and remind you that Gross and Carey signed.

    2.
    They never really break down R and L Tackles when they talk about them.
    Beatty, Loadholt and Meredith were all LT's.
    Why would anyone think they could come in and start at RT in our blocking scheme?
    Well I have seen some thoughts of people who think we could bring in a LT and then move McKinnie to RT - so is that a feasible option or would he want a contract extension for having to learn a new position?
    I've seen that as well.
    Problem for me is then you have both T's learning under fire again.
    I for one am tired of watching people learn on the field.
    I always get a kick out of this... some are tired of people "learning on the field" and then others will question someone like Sullivan and say "well, how many snaps has he taken in the NFL?"

    All players learn on the field as there is no way to simulate a live NFL game.
    You can't simulate that speed nor the adrenaline and physicality of a real game except to play in one.

    Lets be honest here... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to play Tackle in this league.
    How about moving Birk back out to RT while we give Sullivan time at Center?
    Good coaching staffs with good systems are able to plug new guys into the line and still have the unit play at a high level. There is no reason except incompetence at either player evaluation or development that we can't replace a player on the OL and still be at the level we were last year or better.

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Thanks for the read my friend.

    Couple of problems with a article like this.......

    1.
    They ruin your day and remind you that Gross and Carey signed.

    2.
    They never really break down R and L Tackles when they talk about them.
    Beatty, Loadholt and Meredith were all LT's.
    Why would anyone think they could come in and start at RT in our blocking scheme?
    That is why I would like to consider Britton in the 1st. He can play left or right.

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    Lets not waste a first round pick on a Tackle. Most of the elite ones will be gone.
    I say we take CB Davis or Heywood-Bey, with the 22nd pick.
    Either one will be a big time prospect and we can address RT with out 2nd pick.

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.

    Couple of problems with a article like this.......

    1.
    They ruin your day and remind you that Gross and Carey signed.

    2.
    They never really break down R and L Tackles when they talk about them.
    Beatty, Loadholt and Meredith were all LT's.
    Why would anyone think they could come in and start at RT in our blocking scheme?

    Why would anyone thing Cook could?
    Ya got me there My Sexy Little Pixie.
    Maybe RT isn't that hard.
    Birk played it for a spell as well.

    Haha idk man I just want an upgrade

    No matter who it is

    Im not done with Cook.. He has some issues.. Most young tackles do

    Not many have patience for him right now.


    I am one of a select few who doesn't blame him for getting thrown to the wolves and for not having anything better on the roster than him.
    I don't blame him either. I just want to see a better line to help protect our far from elite QBs. They need all the help they can get. If we don't get a FA signing there, I am ok with Cook and Hicks battling it out. No draft pick is going to come in and be better. All the elite tackles will be gone before #22.

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "AngloVike" wrote:
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    Thanks for the read My Sexy Little Pixie.

    Couple of problems with a article like this.......

    1.
    They ruin your day and remind you that Gross and Carey signed.

    2.
    They never really break down R and L Tackles when they talk about them.
    Beatty, Loadholt and Meredith were all LT's.
    Why would anyone think they could come in and start at RT in our blocking scheme?
    Well I have seen some thoughts of people who think we could bring in a LT and then move McKinnie to RT - so is that a feasible option or would he want a contract extension for having to learn a new position?

    I've seen that as well.
    Problem for me is then you have both T's learning under fire again.
    I for one am tired of watching people learn on the field.
    I always get a kick out of this... some are tired of people "learning on the field" and then others will question someone like Sullivan and say "well, how many snaps has he taken in the NFL?"

    All players learn on the field as there is no way to simulate a live NFL game.
    You can't simulate that speed nor the adrenaline and physicality of a real game except to play in one.

    Lets be honest here... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to play Tackle in this league.
    How about moving Birk back out to RT while we give Sullivan time at Center?
    Hmmmmm, 2 things......

    1.
    The move for Birk to RT is a very interesting idea.
    Only concern I would have there is he hasn't been as active at pulling the last 2 years.
    Is that by design or can't he do it.
    Not saying it would be that big of an issue but our T's do pull occasionally.

    2.
    Learning on the field.......So, you think TJ wouldn't have benifited from sitting on the bench and learning from that vantage point instead of "on the field"?
    How about Griff?
    Long story short, sure it might accelerate the learning curve based on the fact that they are under the gun/live reps in actual game time situations, however, up until recently, not many rookies just stepped off the bus and started in this league for a reason.
    They weren't ready.

    I do find it very interesting though that some players have been coming out of late and providing immediate impact, especially at the LT and WR positions.
    Causes me to wonder if the Spread Offenses run at the collegiate level might not be contributing to that success as they face more and more passing situations.

    On a side note, it will be fun to watch how many C and QB's fail at the next level cause they don't get reps under C in those very same schemes.... Anyway, just something to ponder in that regard....:
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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

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    Lets not waste a first round pick on a Tackle. Most of the elite ones will be gone.
    I say we take CB Davis or Heywood-Bey, with the 22nd pick.
    Either one will be a big time prospect and we can address RT with out 2nd pick.
    Homeskillet, you live in NOVA, so you should know that Hey-Bey drops passes.
    I'm down for Vonte, as he has a killer skill set, but slip away from Hey-Bey.

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    Lets not waste a first round pick on a Tackle. Most of the elite ones will be gone.
    I say we take CB Davis or Heywood-Bey, with the 22nd pick.
    Either one will be a big time prospect and we can address RT with out 2nd pick.
    Just say no to Bey! Davis will not fall to us.

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    There is no way Birk plays any position other then center.
    Why would you split him and Hutch after they have been playing side by side for a couple years now?
    This is another reason we need to resign Birk to keep the line in tack as best we can (other then Cook).

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    Re: Performance points to need at tackle

    "Ranger" wrote:
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    Lets not waste a first round pick on a Tackle. Most of the elite ones will be gone.
    I say we take CB Davis or Heywood-Bey, with the 22nd pick.
    Either one will be a big time prospect and we can address RT with out 2nd pick.
    Homeskillet, you live in NOVA, so you should know that Hey-Bey drops passes.
    I'm down for Vonte, as he has a killer skill set, but slip away from Hey-Bey.
    Drops are kind of subjective. As a former WR, I tend to look the other way a bit.

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