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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    In addition to likely the highest price tag, Kolb has a record of INTs and Fumbles too. I'm kinda scared of him.

    Faulk and Mora were talking about the Vikings today on the probowl pregame show and Faulk seemed to think drafting a 1st round QB at this point might be too late for a lot of our core players...that we were likely better off trying to get a vet starter to take advantage of what we have going for us now. Then, Mora brought up that Hasselback is a free agent, and that with a good line and running game, that he'd be a perfect game manager for us.
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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088749
    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.

    Orton has a huge chip on his shoulders, he has been overlooked and has to prove himself over and over and over. He is highly competitive. He did a great job in Denver and they are going to go with the young kid instead.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "snowinapril" #1088759
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088749
    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.
    Orton has a huge chip on his shoulders, he has been overlooked and has to prove himself over and over and over. He is highly competitive. He did a great job in Denver and they are going to go with the young kid instead.
    I personally would be happiest with Orton for the likely cost.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088760
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    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088749
    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.
    Orton has a huge chip on his shoulders, he has been overlooked and has to prove himself over and over and over. He is highly competitive. He did a great job in Denver and they are going to go with the young kid instead.
    I personally would be happiest with Orton for the likely cost.
    Me too! It is the way he has been treated with the lack of respect by the Bears then the Broncos that make people hesitant and say, "Oh Orton, he is alright." If he was given a chance to build on some of his success, he might actually change that response to something like, "wow the Vikings have a chance at Orton, they better take him."

    You might actually get a guy that has some upside that other teams aren't going to be able to gouge you for in money and draft choices.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Take Orton and draft Ponder the rest will follow.
    I bet you could use a cool one huh Clark...Now you're talkin Eddie...

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Kolb is not the answer and must be avoided and his price would be too great.
    I bet you could use a cool one huh Clark...Now you're talkin Eddie...

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    I personally would take Orton over Kolb in a heartbeat. Kolb is someone who cannot manage games because he tends to turn the ball over a lot (fumbles and INTS) and he's not simply a proven quarterback and wouldn't be the player our coaching staff would be asking him to be (game manager). Why is Kolb so hyped up? Just because Andy Reid likes the kid doesn't mean he's good.
    I think Vikings need that stop gap veteran guy who can manage games and let the runningback carry the load. (IE Shaun Alexander and Matt Hasselback 2005). Whoever the Quarterback is, I'll tell you he has a lot of weapons at his disposal. This team has weapons at the skill position without a question. However we do need a qb and some holes need to be filled at O-Line. I think the best decision for the vikings is get a veteran qb via free agency.
    Address the o-line or defense because with a good run game you need a good defense something I think we don't have at the moment. I think this QB class is not only weak, but I feel with the 12th pick in the draft that even if we wanted a quarterback we would really be reaching for one at that point. I think trading down is a great idea addressing the o-line and defense and maybe grabbing a qb like ponder and seeing what we have in him. And in our next draft I think we have a more stronger qb class and should trade up for one of the better qb's (luck or barkley).

    I think picking the quarterback of our franchise is something that shouldn't be forced nor should we rush ourselves into doing. I feel that getting the wrong guy or a guy who cannot pan out our franchise takes a step back for years to come. IE the Raiders when drafting Jamarcus "Vegas" Russell in 2007, the chargers when drafting leaf in 1999 (I think), Cleveland Browns 2007 with Brady Quinn, San Francisco 49ers with Alex Smith, Houston Texans with David Carr, and Buffalo Bills 2004 with JP Losman, etc. You can even say we are feeling the effects of Tavaris Jackson not panning out, Chad Henne for the Dolphins, and even Matt Lienart with Arizona. I'm not saying that they are solely the reason for their franchises being in disarray but they have definitely contributed to that. For us viking fans, here's some food for thought; rather than Tavaris Jackson, if we had drafted someone like Schuab, do you think our franchise would have half the problems we have had (think favre, chilly, moss)
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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    I think we need to take our time picking our qb through draft and a veteran at this point cannot bring our franchise down
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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "b_sandhar_29" #1088764
    I personally would take Orton over Kolb in a heartbeat. Kolb is someone who cannot manage games because he tends to turn the ball over a lot (fumbles and INTS) and he's not simply a proven quarterback and wouldn't be the player our coaching staff would be asking him to be (game manager). Why is Kolb so hyped up? Just because Andy Reid likes the kid doesn't mean he's good. I think Vikings need that stop gap veteran guy who can manage games and let the runningback carry the load. (IE Shaun Alexander and Matt Hasselback 2005). Whoever the Quarterback is, I'll tell you he has a lot of weapons at his disposal. This team has weapons at the skill position without a question. However we do need a qb and some holes need to be filled at O-Line. I think the best decision for the vikings is get a veteran qb via free agency. Address the o-line or defense because with a good run game you need a good defense something I think we don't have at the moment. I think this QB class is not only weak, but I feel with the 12th pick in the draft that even if we wanted a quarterback we would really be reaching for one at that point. I think trading down is a great idea addressing the o-line and defense and maybe
    grabbing a qb like ponder and seeing what we have in him. And in our next draft I think we have a more stronger qb class and should trade up for one of the better qb's (luck or barkley). I think picking the quarterback of our franchise is something that shouldn't be forced nor should we rush ourselves into doing. I feel that getting the wrong guy or a guy who cannot pan out our franchise takes a step back for years to come. IE the Raiders when drafting Jamarcus "Vegas" Russell in 2007, the chargers when drafting leaf in 1999 (I think), Cleveland Browns 2007 with Brady Quinn, San Francisco 49ers with Alex Smith, Houston Texans with David Carr, and Buffalo Bills 2004 with JP Losman, etc. You can even say we are feeling the effects of Tavaris Jackson not panning out,
    Chad Henne for the Dolphins, and even Matt Lienart with Arizona. I'm not saying that they are solely the reason for their franchises being in disarray but they have definitely contributed to that. For us viking fans, here's some food for thought; rather than Tavaris Jackson, if we had drafted someone like Schuab, do you think our franchise would have half the problems we have had (think favre, chilly, moss)
    Woah now ... Spaces, returns and paragraphs are your friend.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    haha sorry I get caught up in the moment
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