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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

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    What good is a QB if they don't have a quality line protecting them?
    Ask the Rams and Bradford.
    That proves my point thank you.

    Rams 2009 (The year before they drafted Bradford)
    Round 1 - Overall Pick #2 - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor

    Rams 2008:
    Round 3 - Overall Pick # 65 - John Greco - G
    Round 5 - Overall Pick # 157 - Roy Schuening - G
    Oh ... So being drafted anywhere round 1-5 makes players quality lineman now? Jason Smith has been a disappointment in STL and the other guys a round 3 and round 5 picks. Hardly "building up the line."

    The Rams line is pretty dreadful ... But the Bradford pick was still the right one. Hardly proves your point.
    It goes back to what I posted earlier about building the line first and then drafting a QB and I stand behind that.

    The line might not be fantastic but they are young and building and they did well enough to keep him on the field to complete all 16 games and he did manage over 3500 yds and 18 TD's so there was some decent blocking and Jackson had 1200+ yards rushing.


    Compare that to the Vikings OL that was responsible for ending the longest winning streak in the NFL by letting Brett get constantly pounded and then when he took the final blow and was replaced by "The younger, more mobile QB who could take pressure off the line and make plays with his feet", that guy lasted about what, 1.5 quarters before getting knocked out for the season?

    Why in the world would you want to draft a franchise QB and subject them to that kind of punishment? Ask Detroit how their franchise QB has helped them while on the shelf for a good chunk of the last 2 seasons.
    Well the Vikings o-line accounted for more yards than the Rams ... so I guess we are good too then.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

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    What good is a QB if they don't have a quality line protecting them?
    Ask the Rams and Bradford.
    That proves my point thank you.

    Rams 2009 (The year before they drafted Bradford)
    Round 1 - Overall Pick #2 - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor

    Rams 2008:
    Round 3 - Overall Pick # 65 - John Greco - G
    Round 5 - Overall Pick # 157 - Roy Schuening - G
    Oh ... So being drafted anywhere round 1-5 makes players quality lineman now? Jason Smith has been a disappointment in STL and the other guys a round 3 and round 5 picks. Hardly "building up the line."

    The Rams line is pretty dreadful ... But the Bradford pick was still the right one. Hardly proves your point.
    It goes back to what I posted earlier about building the line first and then drafting a QB and I stand behind that.

    The line might not be fantastic but they are young and building and they did well enough to keep him on the field to complete all 16 games and he did manage over 3500 yds and 18 TD's so there was some decent blocking and Jackson had 1200+ yards rushing.


    Compare that to the Vikings OL that was responsible for ending the longest winning streak in the NFL by letting Brett get constantly pounded and then when he took the final blow and was replaced by "The younger, more mobile QB who could take pressure off the line and make plays with his feet", that guy lasted about what, 1.5 quarters before getting knocked out for the season?

    Why in the world would you want to draft a franchise QB and subject them to that kind of punishment? Ask Detroit how their franchise QB has helped them while on the shelf for a good chunk of the last 2 seasons.
    Well the Vikings o-line accounted for more yards than the Rams ... so I guess we are good too then.
    Hay, if they meet your standards then by all means be content. Hopefully you are fine with getting our asses kicked by the Bears and Packers twice a year. Maybe we should have just kept Childress because we had more yardage than the Rams too.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

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    What good is a QB if they don't have a quality line protecting them?
    Ask the Rams and Bradford.
    That proves my point thank you.

    Rams 2009 (The year before they drafted Bradford)
    Round 1 - Overall Pick #2 - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor

    Rams 2008:
    Round 3 - Overall Pick # 65 - John Greco - G
    Round 5 - Overall Pick # 157 - Roy Schuening - G
    Oh ... So being drafted anywhere round 1-5 makes players quality lineman now? Jason Smith has been a disappointment in STL and the other guys a round 3 and round 5 picks. Hardly "building up the line."

    The Rams line is pretty dreadful ... But the Bradford pick was still the right one. Hardly proves your point.
    It goes back to what I posted earlier about building the line first and then drafting a QB and I stand behind that.

    The line might not be fantastic but they are young and building and they did well enough to keep him on the field to complete all 16 games and he did manage over 3500 yds and 18 TD's so there was some decent blocking and Jackson had 1200+ yards rushing.


    Compare that to the Vikings OL that was responsible for ending the longest winning streak in the NFL by letting Brett get constantly pounded and then when he took the final blow and was replaced by "The younger, more mobile QB who could take pressure off the line and make plays with his feet", that guy lasted about what, 1.5 quarters before getting knocked out for the season?

    Why in the world would you want to draft a franchise QB and subject them to that kind of punishment? Ask Detroit how their franchise QB has helped them while on the shelf for a good chunk of the last 2 seasons.
    Well the Vikings o-line accounted for more yards than the Rams ... so I guess we are good too then.
    Hay, if they meet your standards then by all means be content. Hopefully you are fine with getting our asses kicked by the Bears and Packers twice a year. Maybe we should have just kept Childress because we had more yardage than the Rams too.
    Didn't say they met my standards ... you argued that the Rams "built" their line before getting Bradford. And then used stats to prove your point.

    Fact is ... their offensive line is dreadful, but they still made the right pick by taking Bradford. If you want to use a team building their line before getting a QB as an example, you need to come up with something better than the Rams, because fact is their line is pretty awful and they have spent about as many draft picks on it recently as we have.

    A really good example of going out and get lineman would be the 49ers ... who have drafted four lineman in the last three years (including 2 first rounders and a second rounder) and have turned it into 3 Super Bowl championships!

    The Falcons clearly screwed the pooch by drafting Matt Ryan before addressing their terrible offensive line with 4 picks over the next three years. They should have definitely passed on Ryan to get a better o-lineman.

    And it is clear that the Dolphins taking Jake Long and riding with Chad Henne are going to be better than the Falcons who had Matt Ryan fall in their lap ...Dolphins clearly will be better for years to come.

    Bottom line ... if there is a quarterback you want ... you go get him. Period. You deal with the offensive line later. Seriously? The Colts should have passed on Peyton because they couldn't protect him? No. You get the quarterback, then get the o-line.

    Again ... that is if there is THE GUY for you and your staff. I have already stated that I hope we go OT at No. 12 and get lucky and get a Ponder/Locker or something of the like at No. 43 ... but if our staff is in love with Cam Newton, Ryan Mallet or Blaine Gabbert and they are sitting at No. 12 ... then that is who they HAVE to pick, because you can always build around a QB. If you have a great offensive line but garbage taking the snap, it won't matter who is blocking.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088739
    Again ... that is if there is THE GUY for you and your staff. I have already stated that I hope we go OT at No. 12 and get lucky and get a Ponder/Locker or something of the like at No. 43 ... but if our staff is in love with Cam Newton, Ryan Mallet or Blaine Gabbert and they are sitting at No. 12 ... then that is who they HAVE to pick, because you can always build around a QB. If you have a great offensive line but garbage taking the snap, it won't matter who is blocking.
    I understand what you are saying and don't disagree with it really. I just don't see any QB at#12 being the BPA and would rather fill another need instead of overdrafting for a QB to fill the void.

    IMO the biggest need is at CB, OL etc. in regards to who will be available at what position. If the OL and CB's are drafted early and a QB slides to us, then I would not be disappointed. As long as the player we get is the best one available at that spot I will be fine.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    I'm not real big on any of the top QBs...and I think there is a distinct chance that 3 or more are gone by our pick. Lots of teams need a QB ATM. I'm all for trading back and trying to make 3 quality picks in the 2nd (or, perhaps, late 1st). Maybe, Belicheck will give us 2 2nds to grab Ingram at RB before Miami gets a hold of him!? JK, probably not, but anyway...

    The 12th pick is worth 1200...the last 6 picks of the draft are all right around 600. So, a late first and early 2nd would be right on, or, 2 mid 2nds and a mid 3rd would be pretty close too. Then we can get top notch depth at 3 positions, say, Quinton Carter S, Wiesniewski C, and Ponder QB!

    And, we could still offer the Broncos our 4 and 5 (which they don't have since they traded away with Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn...ooops!!) And, a sliding pick next year for Kyle Orton. Say, a 4th minimum, a 3rd if he surpasses 3000 (or 2500?) yards, or, a 2nd if he surpasses 3000 yds AND 20 TDs...? Or some such thing...

    That would set us up with improved depth at OL, QB, and DB, and give us a tested vet starter for the next few years so Webb and Ponder? can develop at their pace instead of under fire on field and off from fans, media etc!!


    I've heard the Broncos would take a 2nd for Orton, and he may be worth it. He's got size and experience, a decent completion%, has thrown near double the TDs to INTs his past 3 years starting, and is only 28, with plenty of gas left in the tank. Did I mention he's an Iowa boy? He may be stoked to come back to the midwest.
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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

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    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.
    The most expensive option would be to throw a #1 pick on a unkown rookie qb. I would be happy trading our #1 for Kolb.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "Brewtal" #1088753
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088749
    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.
    The most expensive option would be to throw a #1 pick on a unkown rookie qb. I would be happy trading our #1 for Kolb.
    That would be a very hefty price tag for a QB who was picked 36th just four years ago and has a 73.2 career rating and a 3-4 record as a starter.

    I like Kolb ... would not throw a fit if we traded for him ... but I would be shocked if we gave up our No. 12 straight-up for him.

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    Re: No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB

    Quote Originally Posted by "Brewtal" #1088753
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1088749
    Quote Originally Posted by "misojosrojos" #1088747
    kolb is the answer at qb. no way any of the qbs in the draft pan out soon enough to help us out. then we can draft safety and OL.
    To get Kolb will cost us either our No. 12 or our No. 43 pick for sure ... and we do not have a third rounder ... so it will really limit us in what we can do.

    That said ... I am not totally against going and getting Kolb. But I think for the price someone like Orton might be the better play.

    I like the idea of trying to get Orton and hold on to our first and second if at all possible. Also for trading the No. 12 to move down to late 1st and pick up another second ... giving us Orton and three picks in the first two rounds. Could really fill some spots that way and with the signing of free agents could have us seriously in the mix for the NFC North next season.

    I like Kolb better than anything that is out there (Young, Orton, drafting a QB) but he simply will be the most expensive option. I don't think he is worth the asking price over getting Orton cheaper or getting Young for simply the price of a contract.
    The most expensive option would be to throw a #1 pick on a unkown rookie qb. I would be happy trading our #1 for Kolb.
    Thats a good point. though I dont know about kolb. yes he is an upgrade to what we've had (other than the favre rental), but he's not a sure thing. he's not a bad player, but he's not a proven competitor.

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