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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    Rockmolder wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Joe Webb is one big dude. The Vikings drafted Webb in the sixth round, hoping to convert him from quarterback to receiver. He was listed at 6-2 or 6-3 in many pre-draft analyses, but the Vikings have him at 6-foot-4 and he is every bit of it. I have no idea if he can play receiver in the NFL, but he sure looks the part.
    Spoke briefly with tailback Toby Gerhart, whom the Vikings hope will fill the Chester Taylor role as a backup/third-down back. Gerhart seemed fully aware that his ability to pick up blitzes will play the biggest role in whether he wins that job. "You have to understand your scheme, who you have, who the line is blocking and who you are responsible for," Gerhart said. "Once you get the hang of that, it's picking up tendencies. There are a lot of subtleties you can see on film from safety rotations to alignment tendencies. Then you got to have to have the will and stick your head in there and protect the quarterback
    Childress: Favre can skip camp

    Just skip over the Noodle crap. Go comment on that in the thread were everyone freaked out and were ready to start jumping from bridges.

    Loved what I read so far on Webb. Who was trying to convince me that he will make it on the 53 man roster. Whoever you were, I'm finally convinced.
    I will take partial credit on Webb, he is going to be a beast WR off the line and a heck of a blocker in the running game, think Ward of Pittsburgh, but think bigger, stronger, faster,as a physical WR he is something JJ and GL will never be. We will see a pretty limited route tree out of him for the first year, but, as a 4th or 5th WR, he doesn't need to do much.
    Wow. That's quite a goal. Being physical is one thing, catching the ball in traffic and holding it when getting hit by a LB who's a few pounds heavier than you is another. WRs like Ward and Driver don't grow on trees. I'll believe that Webb is all that when I see it.
    Who said anything about Driver?
    We're talking about that mold, right? Okay, take away Driver. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason.

    Hard working guys who go over the middle, make the catch in traffic, get hit hard by LBs that have 40 lbs on them. And Ward's versatile, as well. He's not just running slants and unders, he goes deep, as well. And gets open.

    To declare Webb a bigger, stronger and faster Ward is quite a prediction.
    No I got that part and agree 100%.Was just throwing a little jab because you snuck a Packer player into the conversation!
    Driver definately belongs in the conversation.
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Joe Webb is one big dude. The Vikings drafted Webb in the sixth round, hoping to convert him from quarterback to receiver. He was listed at 6-2 or 6-3 in many pre-draft analyses, but the Vikings have him at 6-foot-4 and he is every bit of it. I have no idea if he can play receiver in the NFL, but he sure looks the part.
    Spoke briefly with tailback Toby Gerhart, whom the Vikings hope will fill the Chester Taylor role as a backup/third-down back. Gerhart seemed fully aware that his ability to pick up blitzes will play the biggest role in whether he wins that job. "You have to understand your scheme, who you have, who the line is blocking and who you are responsible for," Gerhart said. "Once you get the hang of that, it's picking up tendencies. There are a lot of subtleties you can see on film from safety rotations to alignment tendencies. Then you got to have to have the will and stick your head in there and protect the quarterback
    Childress: Favre can skip camp

    Just skip over the Noodle crap. Go comment on that in the thread were everyone freaked out and were ready to start jumping from bridges.

    Loved what I read so far on Webb. Who was trying to convince me that he will make it on the 53 man roster. Whoever you were, I'm finally convinced.
    I will take partial credit on Webb, he is going to be a beast WR off the line and a heck of a blocker in the running game, think Ward of Pittsburgh, but think bigger, stronger, faster,as a physical WR he is something JJ and GL will never be. We will see a pretty limited route tree out of him for the first year, but, as a 4th or 5th WR, he doesn't need to do much.
    Wow. That's quite a goal. Being physical is one thing, catching the ball in traffic and holding it when getting hit by a LB who's a few pounds heavier than you is another. WRs like Ward and Driver don't grow on trees. I'll believe that Webb is all that when I see it.
    Who said anything about Driver?
    We're talking about that mold, right? Okay, take away Driver. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason.

    Hard working guys who go over the middle, make the catch in traffic, get hit hard by LBs that have 40 lbs on them. And Ward's versatile, as well. He's not just running slants and unders, he goes deep, as well. And gets open.

    To declare Webb a bigger, stronger and faster Ward is quite a prediction.
    No I got that part and agree 100%.Was just throwing a little jab because you snuck a Packer player into the conversation!
    Driver definately belongs in the conversation.
    I just can't help myself.
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    Rockmolder wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    jargomcfargo wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Joe Webb is one big dude. The Vikings drafted Webb in the sixth round, hoping to convert him from quarterback to receiver. He was listed at 6-2 or 6-3 in many pre-draft analyses, but the Vikings have him at 6-foot-4 and he is every bit of it. I have no idea if he can play receiver in the NFL, but he sure looks the part.
    Spoke briefly with tailback Toby Gerhart, whom the Vikings hope will fill the Chester Taylor role as a backup/third-down back. Gerhart seemed fully aware that his ability to pick up blitzes will play the biggest role in whether he wins that job. "You have to understand your scheme, who you have, who the line is blocking and who you are responsible for," Gerhart said. "Once you get the hang of that, it's picking up tendencies. There are a lot of subtleties you can see on film from safety rotations to alignment tendencies. Then you got to have to have the will and stick your head in there and protect the quarterback
    Childress: Favre can skip camp

    Just skip over the Noodle crap. Go comment on that in the thread were everyone freaked out and were ready to start jumping from bridges.

    Loved what I read so far on Webb. Who was trying to convince me that he will make it on the 53 man roster. Whoever you were, I'm finally convinced.
    I will take partial credit on Webb, he is going to be a beast WR off the line and a heck of a blocker in the running game, think Ward of Pittsburgh, but think bigger, stronger, faster,as a physical WR he is something JJ and GL will never be. We will see a pretty limited route tree out of him for the first year, but, as a 4th or 5th WR, he doesn't need to do much.
    Wow. That's quite a goal. Being physical is one thing, catching the ball in traffic and holding it when getting hit by a LB who's a few pounds heavier than you is another. WRs like Ward and Driver don't grow on trees. I'll believe that Webb is all that when I see it.
    Who said anything about Driver?
    We're talking about that mold, right? Okay, take away Driver. Hines Ward and Derrick Mason.

    Hard working guys who go over the middle, make the catch in traffic, get hit hard by LBs that have 40 lbs on them. And Ward's versatile, as well. He's not just running slants and unders, he goes deep, as well. And gets open.

    To declare Webb a bigger, stronger and faster Ward is quite a prediction.
    No I got that part and agree 100%.Was just throwing a little jab because you snuck a Packer player into the conversation!
    Driver definately belongs in the conversation.
    I just can't help myself.
    But, it's true Webb is bigger, stronger and Faster than Ward.

    Ward did not have a great first year as a pure pass catching receiver but he saw the field because of his physical presence and "Decoy" ability. You should see the same thing from Webb.

    He obviously will not put up numbers like Ward does today in his first year, but, I expect to see him on the field quite a bit as the best Physical/Blocking WR on the team. The receptions will come over time. He has a "Nasty" streak like Ward does...but he is Bigger, Stronger, and Faster..
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    Webb has practically no experience running routes or catching the ball in a game type situation let alone all the other stuff that comes with learning the position. I don't see him making the final roster cut but maybe the practice squad for a year to see if he can grasp some of the responsibilities. It is a huge longshot to think he would see the field during any games this year unless he does a hell of a job on ST.

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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    If I were going to compare Webb to an NFL receiver based on size, speed, stength, etc., I would compare him to Andre Johnson of the Texans. Both are about 6'3", 225 pounds, run 4.4 40's, and have verticals of about 41".

    Guys like Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Donald Driver are significantly smaller than Webb (2-6" shorter and about 20-40 pounds lighter depending on who is measuring). Not big guys, but they play tough.

    I think it's too early to try and assign that playing style to Webb. Plenty of big guys can't play tough or make catches in traffic. Some guys can't even make catches in space.

    We'll see what Webb can do when he's actually on the field across from NFL defensive backs. I'm optimistic he'll make the team, since I think he's basically competing with Greg Lewis and Jaymar Johnson. That duo combined for a not so intimidating 24 receptions last year.
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

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    If I were going to compare Webb to an NFL receiver based on size, speed, stength, etc., I would compare him to Andre Johnson of the Texans. Both are about 6'3", 225 pounds, run 4.4 40's, and have verticals of about 41".

    Guys like Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Donald Driver are significantly smaller than Webb (2-6" shorter and about 20-40 pounds lighter depending on who is measuring). Not big guys, but they play tough.

    I think it's too early to try and assign that playing style to Webb. Plenty of big guys can't play tough or make catches in traffic. Some guys can't even make catches in space.

    We'll see what Webb can do when he's actually on the field across from NFL defensive backs. I'm optimistic he'll make the team, since I think he's basically competing with Greg Lewis and Jaymar Johnson. That duo combined for a not so intimidating 24 receptions last year.
    I like what I see so far...at least about the playing tough (thats what we are talking about)...

    Notes from the Senior Bowl Practice...

    Webb is extremely raw.... but he was extremely physical. Not only did Webb show the ability to get off the line and beat the jam against guys like Taylor Mays and Nate Allen but he did it in a violent fashion. On one rep he simply threw Javier Arenas to the ground and on another he delivered a bona fide headslap to Taylor Mays.


    As for who he plays like as a pass catcher, we will probably have to wait a year or two before we find that out, but, I like his chances to get on the field based on his other attributes.
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Overlord wrote:
    If I were going to compare Webb to an NFL receiver based on size, speed, stength, etc., I would compare him to Andre Johnson of the Texans. Both are about 6'3", 225 pounds, run 4.4 40's, and have verticals of about 41".

    Guys like Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Donald Driver are significantly smaller than Webb (2-6" shorter and about 20-40 pounds lighter depending on who is measuring). Not big guys, but they play tough.

    I think it's too early to try and assign that playing style to Webb. Plenty of big guys can't play tough or make catches in traffic. Some guys can't even make catches in space.

    We'll see what Webb can do when he's actually on the field across from NFL defensive backs. I'm optimistic he'll make the team, since I think he's basically competing with Greg Lewis and Jaymar Johnson. That duo combined for a not so intimidating 24 receptions last year.
    I like what I see so far...at least about the playing tough (thats what we are talking about)...

    Notes from the Senior Bowl Practice...

    Webb is extremely raw.... but he was extremely physical. Not only did Webb show the ability to get off the line and beat the jam against guys like Taylor Mays and Nate Allen but he did it in a violent fashion. On one rep he simply threw Javier Arenas to the ground and on another he delivered a bona fide headslap to Taylor Mays.


    As for who he plays like as a pass catcher, we will probably have to wait a year or two before we find that out, but, I like his chances to get on the field based on his other attributes.
    Can you see that kindof physicality transitioning into run blocking as well?

    I can and can't wait to see him in action this season.
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Overlord wrote:
    If I were going to compare Webb to an NFL receiver based on size, speed, stength, etc., I would compare him to Andre Johnson of the Texans. Both are about 6'3", 225 pounds, run 4.4 40's, and have verticals of about 41".

    Guys like Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Donald Driver are significantly smaller than Webb (2-6" shorter and about 20-40 pounds lighter depending on who is measuring). Not big guys, but they play tough.

    I think it's too early to try and assign that playing style to Webb. Plenty of big guys can't play tough or make catches in traffic. Some guys can't even make catches in space.

    We'll see what Webb can do when he's actually on the field across from NFL defensive backs. I'm optimistic he'll make the team, since I think he's basically competing with Greg Lewis and Jaymar Johnson. That duo combined for a not so intimidating 24 receptions last year.
    I like what I see so far...at least about the playing tough (thats what we are talking about)...

    Notes from the Senior Bowl Practice...

    Webb is extremely raw.... but he was extremely physical. Not only did Webb show the ability to get off the line and beat the jam against guys like Taylor Mays and Nate Allen but he did it in a violent fashion. On one rep he simply threw Javier Arenas to the ground and on another he delivered a bona fide headslap to Taylor Mays.


    As for who he plays like as a pass catcher, we will probably have to wait a year or two before we find that out, but, I like his chances to get on the field based on his other attributes.
    Can you see that kindof physicality transitioning into run blocking as well?

    I can and can't wait to see him in action this season.
    A big receiver on the edge...AD loves to bounce it outside...an interesting combination.

    It will be nice to have some beef on the edge controlling CBs. He will outweigh most CBs by 30 lbs. Add that to a willingness to be physical and we may just have something.

    I just hope he has the dedication needed to make a smooth transition and works on the WR fundamentals enough to prove himself next year on the field.
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    Re:NFC North rookie camp roundup

    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    Overlord wrote:
    If I were going to compare Webb to an NFL receiver based on size, speed, stength, etc., I would compare him to Andre Johnson of the Texans. Both are about 6'3", 225 pounds, run 4.4 40's, and have verticals of about 41".

    Guys like Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Donald Driver are significantly smaller than Webb (2-6" shorter and about 20-40 pounds lighter depending on who is measuring). Not big guys, but they play tough.

    I think it's too early to try and assign that playing style to Webb. Plenty of big guys can't play tough or make catches in traffic. Some guys can't even make catches in space.

    We'll see what Webb can do when he's actually on the field across from NFL defensive backs. I'm optimistic he'll make the team, since I think he's basically competing with Greg Lewis and Jaymar Johnson. That duo combined for a not so intimidating 24 receptions last year.
    I like what I see so far...at least about the playing tough (thats what we are talking about)...

    Notes from the Senior Bowl Practice...

    Webb is extremely raw.... but he was extremely physical. Not only did Webb show the ability to get off the line and beat the jam against guys like Taylor Mays and Nate Allen but he did it in a violent fashion. On one rep he simply threw Javier Arenas to the ground and on another he delivered a bona fide headslap to Taylor Mays.


    As for who he plays like as a pass catcher, we will probably have to wait a year or two before we find that out, but, I like his chances to get on the field based on his other attributes.
    Can you see that kindof physicality transitioning into run blocking as well?

    I can and can't wait to see him in action this season.
    A big receiver on the edge...AD loves to bounce it outside...an interesting combination.

    It will be nice to have some beef on the edge controlling CBs. He will outweigh most CBs by 30 lbs. Add that to a willingness to be physical and we may just have something.

    I just hope he has the dedication needed to make a smooth transition and works on the WR fundamentals enough to prove himself next year on the field.
    Not just on the outside edge, you put him in motion and let him have a crack at a Will or Sam LB'r and I bet he seals the inside edge nicely.
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