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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Sajid28" wrote:
    Chiller+Tjack= 8-8 or 9-7
    I thought those kids got us 10-6? wtf?
    didn't you hear?! aparantly we're worse this year than last year with mostly the same staff and players.
    Yeah ... I have heard that quite a few times. I don't buy it.

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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    "COJOMAY]<br" wrote:
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    I'm still dubious about Jackson's ability to really turn the corner.
    He looked good for the first 2 games (post-benching), but he hasn't really looked much better (if at all) than Gus did...and that's frightening.
    I think we need to address the QB situation by bringing in a legitimate option veteran starter as well as possibly drafting a rookie prospect.
    At some point it has to stop being about the line and receivers - Gus had the same people there - and it has to be about what Jackson accomplishes.
    And based on what we saw, it's about what Gus did....do we really want a Gus type QB being the starter again?


    "COJOMAY]I" wrote:

    This is what really got my attention.
    You honestly believe that Bevell is the problem?!?!?!?
    Bevell is a puppet.
    Childress brought him in to be a "yes" man.
    Chiller runs the offense...ALL of it.
    Bevell simply does whatever Chiller tells him to.


    Bevell was an unknown QB coach for the Packers who was a mediocre QB for the Badgers when Chiller was the OC there under Alvarez.
    When Chiller got this job, he decided to call the plays - something he'd NEVER done - so he needed an OC who wouldn't buck him on that.
    Someone who would accept HIS scheme as gospel.
    Bevell was a perfect fit for what Chiller wanted.


    This season, recognizing that his KAO was putting his job at risk, Chiller decided to let Bevell "call the plays".
    See, that way when the KAO floundered again, Chiller could throw Bevell under the bus and buy himself another season.
    Making the playoffs simply took the heat off Chiller, and saved Bevell from being "street pizza".

    The bottom line is that getting rid of Bevell and keeping Chiller is pointless.
    Bevell is an empty shirt coordinator, and has been the entire time here.
    You could put a cardboard cutout in as OC and it wouldn't matter, it all goes back to Chiller anyway.

    [quote author=COJOMAY]But assuming we get no FA or anyone in the draft who is a starter and everything remains the same except a new defensive coach, I'll guess we win one more game than last year and go 11-5.
    I doubt our roster will be identical.
    We have a few needs less pressing than QB.
    We need a RT, a Center needs to be brought in (Birk isn't getting younger), and another receiver would be nice.
    Defensively, we need to continue to explore CB options, we need to look at FS, and we should keep looking for a RE and possibly a DT.

    Once we get closer to August/September, and the schedules are out, I'll have a better idea of what to expect.
    But, honestly, as long as Chiller is the guy calling the shots, my expectations are far lower than our talent level.

    Caine

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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    "Caine" wrote:
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    "COJOMAY]<br" wrote:
    [quote]

    I'm still dubious about Jackson's ability to really turn the corner.
    He looked good for the first 2 games (post-benching), but he hasn't really looked much better (if at all) than Gus did...and that's frightening.
    I think we need to address the QB situation by bringing in a legitimate option veteran starter as well as possibly drafting a rookie prospect.
    At some point it has to stop being about the line and receivers - Gus had the same people there - and it has to be about what Jackson accomplishes.
    And based on what we saw, it's about what Gus did....do we really want a Gus type QB being the starter again?


    "COJOMAY]I" wrote:
    [quote]

    This is what really got my attention.
    You honestly believe that Bevell is the problem?!?!?!?
    Bevell is a puppet.
    Childress brought him in to be a "yes" man.
    Chiller runs the offense...ALL of it.
    Bevell simply does whatever Chiller tells him to.


    Bevell was an unknown QB coach for the Packers who was a mediocre QB for the Badgers when Chiller was the OC there under Alvarez.
    When Chiller got this job, he decided to call the plays - something he'd NEVER done - so he needed an OC who wouldn't buck him on that.
    Someone who would accept HIS scheme as gospel.
    Bevell was a perfect fit for what Chiller wanted.


    This season, recognizing that his KAO was putting his job at risk, Chiller decided to let Bevell "call the plays".
    See, that way when the KAO floundered again, Chiller could throw Bevell under the bus and buy himself another season.
    Making the playoffs simply took the heat off Chiller, and saved Bevell from being "street pizza".

    The bottom line is that getting rid of Bevell and keeping Chiller is pointless.
    Bevell is an empty shirt coordinator, and has been the entire time here.
    You could put a cardboard cutout in as OC and it wouldn't matter, it all goes back to Chiller anyway.

    "COJOMAY]But" wrote:

    I doubt our roster will be identical.
    We have a few needs less pressing than QB.
    We need a RT, a Center needs to be brought in (Birk isn't getting younger), and another receiver would be nice.
    Defensively, we need to continue to explore CB options, we need to look at FS, and we should keep looking for a RE and possibly a DT.

    Once we get closer to August/September, and the schedules are out, I'll have a better idea of what to expect.
    But, honestly, as long as Chiller is the guy calling the shots, my expectations are far lower than our talent level.

    Caine
    One helluva post there Caine. I can't say I disagree with you on anything. The main point that I would agree with is that we can't know what next year's team will be like without all the offseason crap that's gonna happen. We need to improve in several areas, as you mentioned (QB, RT, FS), and we'll see what happens once we get past the draft and into the OTA's.
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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    "Caine" wrote:
    [quote]
    "COJOMAY]<br" wrote:
    [quote]

    I'm still dubious about Jackson's ability to really turn the corner.
    He looked good for the first 2 games (post-benching), but he hasn't really looked much better (if at all) than Gus did...and that's frightening.
    I think we need to address the QB situation by bringing in a legitimate option veteran starter as well as possibly drafting a rookie prospect.
    At some point it has to stop being about the line and receivers - Gus had the same people there - and it has to be about what Jackson accomplishes.
    And based on what we saw, it's about what Gus did....do we really want a Gus type QB being the starter again?


    "COJOMAY]I" wrote:
    [quote]

    This is what really got my attention.
    You honestly believe that Bevell is the problem?!?!?!?
    Bevell is a puppet.
    Childress brought him in to be a "yes" man.
    Chiller runs the offense...ALL of it.
    Bevell simply does whatever Chiller tells him to.


    Bevell was an unknown QB coach for the Packers who was a mediocre QB for the Badgers when Chiller was the OC there under Alvarez.
    When Chiller got this job, he decided to call the plays - something he'd NEVER done - so he needed an OC who wouldn't buck him on that.
    Someone who would accept HIS scheme as gospel.
    Bevell was a perfect fit for what Chiller wanted.


    This season, recognizing that his KAO was putting his job at risk, Chiller decided to let Bevell "call the plays".
    See, that way when the KAO floundered again, Chiller could throw Bevell under the bus and buy himself another season.
    Making the playoffs simply took the heat off Chiller, and saved Bevell from being "street pizza".

    The bottom line is that getting rid of Bevell and keeping Chiller is pointless.
    Bevell is an empty shirt coordinator, and has been the entire time here.
    You could put a cardboard cutout in as OC and it wouldn't matter, it all goes back to Chiller anyway.

    "COJOMAY]But" wrote:

    I doubt our roster will be identical.
    We have a few needs less pressing than QB.
    We need a RT, a Center needs to be brought in (Birk isn't getting younger), and another receiver would be nice.
    Defensively, we need to continue to explore CB options, we need to look at FS, and we should keep looking for a RE and possibly a DT.

    Once we get closer to August/September, and the schedules are out, I'll have a better idea of what to expect.
    But, honestly, as long as Chiller is the guy calling the shots, my expectations are far lower than our talent level.

    Caine
    Your opinion of Tjack makes my head hurt. Not better than gus? seriously. Gus didn't have a QB rating of 95.4. Gus threw 15ints Jackson threw 2.(granted 5 starts compared to 11 but sheesh). Sometimes I wonder if you are watching the same Tjack that I am. I have no problem with bringing in competition, mainly because I think Tjack will win the job. Tjack has made fairly steady improvement, if he continues to improve he will be a pro-bowler in 09.

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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
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    "Caine" wrote:
    [quote]
    "COJOMAY]<br" wrote:
    [quote]

    I'm still dubious about Jackson's ability to really turn the corner.
    He looked good for the first 2 games (post-benching), but he hasn't really looked much better (if at all) than Gus did...and that's frightening.
    I think we need to address the QB situation by bringing in a legitimate option veteran starter as well as possibly drafting a rookie prospect.
    At some point it has to stop being about the line and receivers - Gus had the same people there - and it has to be about what Jackson accomplishes.
    And based on what we saw, it's about what Gus did....do we really want a Gus type QB being the starter again?


    "COJOMAY]I" wrote:

    This is what really got my attention.
    You honestly believe that Bevell is the problem?!?!?!?
    Bevell is a puppet.
    Childress brought him in to be a "yes" man.
    Chiller runs the offense...ALL of it.
    Bevell simply does whatever Chiller tells him to.


    Bevell was an unknown QB coach for the Packers who was a mediocre QB for the Badgers when Chiller was the OC there under Alvarez.
    When Chiller got this job, he decided to call the plays - something he'd NEVER done - so he needed an OC who wouldn't buck him on that.
    Someone who would accept HIS scheme as gospel.
    Bevell was a perfect fit for what Chiller wanted.


    This season, recognizing that his KAO was putting his job at risk, Chiller decided to let Bevell "call the plays".
    See, that way when the KAO floundered again, Chiller could throw Bevell under the bus and buy himself another season.
    Making the playoffs simply took the heat off Chiller, and saved Bevell from being "street pizza".

    The bottom line is that getting rid of Bevell and keeping Chiller is pointless.
    Bevell is an empty shirt coordinator, and has been the entire time here.
    You could put a cardboard cutout in as OC and it wouldn't matter, it all goes back to Chiller anyway.

    "COJOMAY]But" wrote:

    I doubt our roster will be identical.
    We have a few needs less pressing than QB.
    We need a RT, a Center needs to be brought in (Birk isn't getting younger), and another receiver would be nice.
    Defensively, we need to continue to explore CB options, we need to look at FS, and we should keep looking for a RE and possibly a DT.

    Once we get closer to August/September, and the schedules are out, I'll have a better idea of what to expect.
    But, honestly, as long as Chiller is the guy calling the shots, my expectations are far lower than our talent level.

    Caine
    Your opinion of Tjack makes my head hurt. Not better than gus? seriously. Gus didn't have a QB rating of 95.4. Gus threw 15ints Jackson threw 2.(granted 5 starts compared to 11 but sheesh). Sometimes I wonder if you are watching the same Tjack that I am. I have no problem with bringing in competition, mainly because I think Tjack will win the job. Tjack has made fairly steady improvement, if he continues to improve he will be a pro-bowler in 09.
    ...and your insistance that Jackson is "that good" baffles me as well.


    Caine

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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    T-Jack 4 Mutha Fuckin Prez


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    We are so far from being able to even think about next year we have no clue to who will be here or not. Maybe we should wait and see who the hell is wearing a Viking Uniform before we make any predictions. LMFAO

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    Re: Next Seasons Projections

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
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    "Caine" wrote:
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    "COJOMAY]<br" wrote:
    [quote]

    I'm still dubious about Jackson's ability to really turn the corner.
    He looked good for the first 2 games (post-benching), but he hasn't really looked much better (if at all) than Gus did...and that's frightening.
    I think we need to address the QB situation by bringing in a legitimate option veteran starter as well as possibly drafting a rookie prospect.
    At some point it has to stop being about the line and receivers - Gus had the same people there - and it has to be about what Jackson accomplishes.
    And based on what we saw, it's about what Gus did....do we really want a Gus type QB being the starter again?


    "COJOMAY]I" wrote:

    This is what really got my attention.
    You honestly believe that Bevell is the problem?!?!?!?
    Bevell is a puppet.
    Childress brought him in to be a "yes" man.
    Chiller runs the offense...ALL of it.
    Bevell simply does whatever Chiller tells him to.


    Bevell was an unknown QB coach for the Packers who was a mediocre QB for the Badgers when Chiller was the OC there under Alvarez.
    When Chiller got this job, he decided to call the plays - something he'd NEVER done - so he needed an OC who wouldn't buck him on that.
    Someone who would accept HIS scheme as gospel.
    Bevell was a perfect fit for what Chiller wanted.


    This season, recognizing that his KAO was putting his job at risk, Chiller decided to let Bevell "call the plays".
    See, that way when the KAO floundered again, Chiller could throw Bevell under the bus and buy himself another season.
    Making the playoffs simply took the heat off Chiller, and saved Bevell from being "street pizza".

    The bottom line is that getting rid of Bevell and keeping Chiller is pointless.
    Bevell is an empty shirt coordinator, and has been the entire time here.
    You could put a cardboard cutout in as OC and it wouldn't matter, it all goes back to Chiller anyway.

    "COJOMAY]But" wrote:

    I doubt our roster will be identical.
    We have a few needs less pressing than QB.
    We need a RT, a Center needs to be brought in (Birk isn't getting younger), and another receiver would be nice.
    Defensively, we need to continue to explore CB options, we need to look at FS, and we should keep looking for a RE and possibly a DT.

    Once we get closer to August/September, and the schedules are out, I'll have a better idea of what to expect.
    But, honestly, as long as Chiller is the guy calling the shots, my expectations are far lower than our talent level.

    Caine
    Your opinion of Tjack makes my head hurt. Not better than gus? seriously. Gus didn't have a QB rating of 95.4. Gus threw 15ints Jackson threw 2.(granted 5 starts compared to 11 but sheesh). Sometimes I wonder if you are watching the same Tjack that I am. I have no problem with bringing in competition, mainly because I think Tjack will win the job. Tjack has made fairly steady improvement, if he continues to improve he will be a pro-bowler in 09.
    put the pipe down..sounds like you been smokin that purple kush again..Tjoke a pro bowler in 09??? no fucking way he EVER makes it.

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