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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    "SnoBumMN" wrote:
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    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=32617.msg552325#msg552325 date=1174271296]
    [quote author=LuckyVike link=topic=32617.msg552320#msg552320 date=1174270934]
    If we draft Brady Quinn I'm going to kick someones jiggly butt.
    I'm not sure if that means you like Quinn or don't like him.
    Demented leprechauns are tough to figure out.
    This should clear it up.... Quinn=overrated
    Correction Quinn= Highly overrated
    Yeah, it's easy to say overrated when the player quarterbacked one of the most prolific teams in college football and was always under the scope for anything he did and put up almost 100 TD's and almost 12,000 yards and graduated after 3 1/2 years.

    Yeah... overrated.
    :
    Not only that, I get the feeling he looks just like Joe Montana when he takes his helmet off! At least to Childress.
    I would not be the least bit surprised to see him as our number 7 pick if he is still on the board.
    [/quote]

    Agreed.

    I'd rather see LeRon Landry in purple than Quinn, however I think the opposite is more likely.

    As of right now, Greg Blue has proven more adept as his position than TJack at his. And that question mark at QB is pretty glaring...
    [/quote]
    tjack hasnt had very much time with the 1st string O a, i think with a couple recievers to help him and start to have chemistry he will be just fine, 2 games is not enough to say he will not be good enough

    Thanks josdin00

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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

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    This is taking into account the offseason moves that I am aware of to date.

    1. OAK - JaMarcus Russell - QB - LSU
    2. DET - Joe Thomas - OT - Wisconsin
    3. CLE - Alan Branch - DT - Michigan
    4. TB - Calvin Johnson - WR - Georgia Tech
    5. ARI - Laron Landry - S - LSU
    6. WAS - Gaines Adams - DE - Clemson
    7. MIN - Brady Quinn - QB - Notre Dame
    8. HOU - Adrian Peterson - RB - Oklahoma
    9. MIA - Leon Hall - CB - Michigan
    10. ATL - Jamaal Anderson - DE - Arkansas
    11. SF - Amobi Okoye - DT - Louisville
    12. BUF - Ted Ginn Jr. - WR - Ohio State
    13. STL - Lawrence Timmons - OLB - Florida State
    14. CAR - Reggie Nelson - S - Florida
    15. PIT - Dwayne Jarrett - WR - USC
    16. GB - Dwayne Bowe - WR - LSU
    17. JAC - Adam Carriker - DE - Nebraska
    18. CIN - Levi Brown - OT - Penn State
    19. TEN - Ryan Kalil - OC - USC
    20. NYG - Marshawn Lynch - RB - California
    21. DEN - Sidney Rice - WR - South Carolina
    22. DAL - Darrelle Revis - CB - Pittsburgh
    23. KC - Greg Olsen - TE - Miami (Fla.)
    24. NE (from SEA) - Ben Grubbs - OG - Auburn
    25. NYJ - Patrick Willis - ILB - Mississippi
    26. PHI - Jarvis Moss - DE - Florida
    27. NO - Charles Johnson - DE - Georgia
    28. NE - Aaron Ross - CB - Texas
    29. BAL - Paul Posluszny - OLB - Penn State
    30. SD - Robert Meachem - WR - Tennessee
    31. CHI - Joe Staley - OT - Central Michigan
    32. IND - Justin Blalock - OT - Texas

    Comments? Complaints?
    Really like it. I would only change Adrian Peterson not by Houston because they have Ahman green but it is more than a possibility since Green's going more down hilland adrian as a two rb backfield is dominent but I see him going Cleveland. Jamal Lewis isn't that great since his 1 2000 yrd season only a 1 year contract plus two man rbs.

    I know that every in st. Louis wants to see Lawrence Timmons in a rams uniform.

    And I think Marshawn Lynch is going to get confortable with Green Bay but NYG is hoping and praying for Lynch to fall into there lap.
    Other then those two things I find that a very good mock draft
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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    If Posluszny were availabe to New Orleans they'd take him, linebacker is arguable their biggest need.

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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    "tb04512" wrote:
    "SnoBumMN" wrote:
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    "PacMan21" wrote:
    "tb04512" wrote:
    [quote author=LuckyVike link=topic=32617.msg552331#msg552331 date=1174271560]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=32617.msg552325#msg552325 date=1174271296]
    [quote author=LuckyVike link=topic=32617.msg552320#msg552320 date=1174270934]
    If we draft Brady Quinn I'm going to kick someones jiggly butt.
    I'm not sure if that means you like Quinn or don't like him.
    Demented leprechauns are tough to figure out.
    This should clear it up.... Quinn=overrated
    Correction Quinn= Highly overrated
    Yeah, it's easy to say overrated when the player quarterbacked one of the most prolific teams in college football and was always under the scope for anything he did and put up almost 100 TD's and almost 12,000 yards and graduated after 3 1/2 years.

    Yeah... overrated.
    :
    Not only that, I get the feeling he looks just like Joe Montana when he takes his helmet off! At least to Childress.
    I would not be the least bit surprised to see him as our number 7 pick if he is still on the board.
    [/quote]

    Agreed.

    I'd rather see LeRon Landry in purple than Quinn, however I think the opposite is more likely.

    As of right now, Greg Blue has proven more adept as his position than TJack at his. And that question mark at QB is pretty glaring...
    [/quote]
    tjack hasnt had very much time with the 1st string O a, i think with a couple recievers to help him and start to have chemistry he will be just fine, 2 games is not enough to say he will not be good enough
    [/quote]

    Tell me a big game Quinn has won in the past 2 years.
    When he isn't playing one of those joke independent schools he has embarassed himself.
    A.J. Hawk OWNED him in the Fiesta Bowl, I'd hate to see him doing it twice a year here.
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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    I don't think Puz can play 3-4 OLB. Anthony Spencer would be a better fit.

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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    As a general rule of thumb it is best to go against the vocal majority on pp.o.
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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    "tb04512" wrote:
    "SnoBumMN" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
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    [quote author=tb04512 link=topic=32617.msg552333#msg552333 date=1174271719]
    [quote author=LuckyVike link=topic=32617.msg552331#msg552331 date=1174271560]
    [quote author=Prophet link=topic=32617.msg552325#msg552325 date=1174271296]
    [quote author=LuckyVike link=topic=32617.msg552320#msg552320 date=1174270934]
    If we draft Brady Quinn I'm going to kick someones jiggly butt.
    I'm not sure if that means you like Quinn or don't like him.
    Demented leprechauns are tough to figure out.
    This should clear it up.... Quinn=overrated
    Correction Quinn= Highly overrated
    Yeah, it's easy to say overrated when the player quarterbacked one of the most prolific teams in college football and was always under the scope for anything he did and put up almost 100 TD's and almost 12,000 yards and graduated after 3 1/2 years.

    Yeah... overrated.
    :
    Not only that, I get the feeling he looks just like Joe Montana when he takes his helmet off! At least to Childress.
    I would not be the least bit surprised to see him as our number 7 pick if he is still on the board.
    [/quote]

    Agreed.

    I'd rather see LeRon Landry in purple than Quinn, however I think the opposite is more likely.

    As of right now, Greg Blue has proven more adept as his position than TJack at his. And that question mark at QB is pretty glaring...
    [/quote]
    tjack hasnt had very much time with the 1st string O a, i think with a couple recievers to help him and start to have chemistry he will be just fine, 2 games is not enough to say he will not be good enough
    [/quote]

    Tell me a big game Quinn has won in the past 2 years.
    When he isn't playing one of those joke independent schools he has embarassed himself.
    A.J. Hawk OWNED him in the Fiesta Bowl, I'd hate to see him doing it twice a year here.
    [/quote]

    Right. And I said:

    I'd rather see LeRon Landry in purple than Quinn
    that I didn't want him here. But, lots of times what the fans want and what actually happens are 2 different things.
    -Sno

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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    Tell me a big game Quinn has won in the past 2 years.
    When he isn't playing one of those joke independent schools he has embarassed himself.
    A.J. Hawk OWNED him in the Fiesta Bowl, I'd hate to see him doing it twice a year here.
    Does Quinn play defense?
    Because I recall that the ND defense was a sieve in many of those "big games" the Quinn-haters like to bring up as "evidence" that he's no good.

    I find it absurd that Quinn gets no credit for ND wins (every game is a "big game" for ND, although that's conveniently ignored by his critics) but is the reason for every loss.

    Quinn has played the last two seasons for the 3-time Super Bowl-winning offensive coordinator while constantly facing the best effort and game of every team on the schedule.
    He played a pro-style-offense and had great success - in spite of facing more pressure from fans, the media and the nation of ND haters than any other player in the USA.

    If the Vikings take him, I will be ECSTATIC.
    And you should be, too, since they will have acquired their QB for the next 15 years.

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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

    "LuckyVike" wrote:
    Tell me a big game Quinn has won in the past 2 years.
    When he isn't playing one of those joke independent schools he has embarassed himself.
    A.J. Hawk OWNED him in the Fiesta Bowl, I'd hate to see him doing it twice a year here.
    Jan 03, 2007
    New Orleans, La.

    LSU 41, Notre Dame 14
    Box score

    Nov 25, 2006
    Los Angeles, Calif.

    USC 44, Notre Dame 24
    Box score

    Nov 18, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Notre Dame 41, Army 9
    Box score

    Nov 11, 2006
    USAFA, Colo.

    Notre Dame 39, Air Force 17
    Box score

    Nov 04, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Notre Dame 45, North Carolina 26
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    Oct 28, 2006
    Baltimore, Md.

    Notre Dame 38, Navy 14

    Oct 21, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Notre Dame 20, UCLA 17
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    Oct 07, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Notre Dame 31, Stanford 10
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    Sep 30, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Notre Dame 35, Purdue 21
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    Sep 23, 2006
    East Lansing, Mich.

    Notre Dame 40, Michigan State 37
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    Sep 16, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Michigan 47, Notre Dame 21
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    Sep 09, 2006
    Notre Dame, Ind.

    Notre Dame 41, Penn State 17
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    Sep 02, 2006
    Atlanta, Ga.

    Notre Dame 14, Georgia Tech 10
    Box score


    Let's see.
    Looks like Quinn and ND beat Calvin Johnson and Georgia Tech (start making excuses, ND Haters), blew out Penn State, got crushed by Michigan (I guess Michigan is a BIG GAME but Penn State is not), beat MSU in an amazing comeback, beat UCLA (didn't they beat USC?), beat some of those "Independents" you decry so much (as if other teams don't play patsies - pretty sure Ohio State gets to play the likes of Indiana and Illinois, USC gets to play Stanford & Arizona, Florida gets to play Vandy & Mississippi State, etc.), and then lost to USC & LSU.

    LSU, BTW, played UL-Lafayette, Tulane & Fresno State.
    Some real tough games there for JaMarcus Russell.

    God, the standards to which ND are held are so much higher than anywhere else.

    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: My revised 1st round mock

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    Alan Branch had a horrible pro day which will likely mean that he will be the 2nd DT taken in the draft (behind Okoye) and that he will likely fall out of the top 10.

    The Packers wont take a WR in round 1 (even if they don't get Moss) when they already have Driver & Jennings and they have Vernon Morency at RB. Marshawn Lynch will probably be their pick unless they have a plan to get Michael Bush or Kenny Irons in round 2.

    The Chiefs won't draft Olsen when they just signed Gonzo to a huge deal. They have other holes that they need to address (like an aging secondary/offensive line).

    IMO, I doubt the Vikings select Brady Quinn if he's there. I think it's all a smokescreen to hopefully get a team like Carolina to trade up and give us their 2nd and 4th or a player. I really don't think Childress will draft Brady Quinn. But I guess nothing would really surprise me with him either.
    Besides not getting a better prospect at QB than what they now have, why would the Vikings want to drop 7 slots and risk not getting any of the top WRs or DE at 14, only to get another draft pick? ........ Where's the logic in that move?

    Well this "logic" that you speak of is that they know that they won't get the top WR prospect at #7. And Anderson & Adams might also both be gone at #7. Why wouldn't we trade down and pick up one of the many 2nd best options at WR that are in the draft. Are you telling me that Ginn, Jarrett, Bowe, & Meachem are all going to be gone @ pick 14? I really doubt it. And if they are all gone, why couldn't we pick up Patrick Willis or Adam Carriker or possibly even Reggie Nelson? All would improve our defense a lot and we'd still get another 2nd rounder in return & either a player like Drew Carter or a 4th rounder.

    We have a lot more options if we trade down. So yes, there's logic in doing that.
    If the top WR, CJohnson, is gone, and Adams and Anderson are also gone, that leaves three other players to be determined in the top 6, ahead of the Vikings at #7.
    Let's assume JRussell and (OT) Thomas are two of those remaining three players selected.
    That leaves ONE more player selected in the top 6 to be determined; probably APeterson or BQuinn.
    Maybe Laron Landry.

    Given the above scenario you described and I completed with some common sense / logic, I would say it is worthwhile for the Vikings to select Quinn if available, or select Ped(t?)erson and try to trade him ( or Moore or Fason ) for more picks, or select Landry and keep him.

    Dropping 7 slots creates uncertainty as to what will happen in the intervening selections.
    Teams in need of WRs could trade up into slots 8-13 and draft most of the better WRs.
    The biggest weakness on the Vikings is WR and QB, so staying at #7 gives the best opportunity to upgrade one of those weaknesses.


    And, taking Ginn or Jarrett or ? at #7 is not illogical if the Vikings rated that particular player that high, or close thereto.
    Draft publication 'experts' are highly driven by agent hype, and they lack inside information on player tendencies and character issues.



    That's logical to me.
    Is it logical to you?

    Ginn, Jarrett, Bowe and Meachem may not all be gone at 14, but some may have character issues we don't know about.
    So, while there may be several of those four WRs remaining undrafted at 14, the Vikings won't draft them to avoid T.Owens, R.Moss, A.Bryant, Tank Johnson, Pacman Jones, Onterrio Smith, etc. type situations.
    When we stop to think about it, most folks behavior isn't perplexing after all !

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