04-18-2011, 02:38 PM #31
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Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093880I am NOT here to provide good football insight or rational observations. I am an emotional 19 year old Viking fan and I expect you to adjust your expectations from my posts.
04-18-2011, 03:14 PM #32
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "jessejames09" #1093847
Again, it comes back to how those INT's were manufactured and it had nothing to do with the DB's playing in a press/man coverage. They played off, stayed in their zones and picked balls off that were thrown poorly, tipped, batted etc because of the pressure provided by the front 4.
Here is a nice history lesson that kindof explains how we got to the Cover 2 or Tampa 2.
Those smaller, speedier linebackers would theoretically be protected by a couple of massive but still quick defensive tackles who were disruptive enough to keep the linebackers (and the MLB in particular) clean to stop the run and create negative plays. The edge rushing line and swarming Cover-2 shell was designed to create turnovers against the pass.
The last two sentences hold the key to Johnsonís philosophy. The aggressive nature of this 4-3 front might allow big plays at times, but the negative plays and turnovers gave the ball back to the offense quickly and with good field position if the defense itself didnít score. It worked.
As Johnsonís scheme succeeded, he was able to recruit better and better athletes and eventually work his way to the N.F.L. As so often happens, copycat programs in college churned out players who fit the scheme of the day, and pro teams looking to piggyback on the success of Johnsonís Cowboys incorporated those players into the ďMiamiĒ scheme. The N.F.L. became a 4-3 league again.
The Miami 4-3 has holes. The smaller ends and OLBs can be exploited by a good rush offense. Overpursuit can be an issue. Zone coverage becomes a problem if you donít have the athletes to rush the passer. As weíll see with the Tampa-2 and the 3-4 in later installments, finding the right players to run such an aggressive scheme is difficult when everyoneís running the same defense and searching for the same type of player. Among other issues, those deficiencies partly account for why Johnsonís assistants never amounted to much as head coaches.
Still, the era of undersized defensive players succeeding in 4-3 fronts is still going strong and its legacy is directly traceable to the success of Jimmy Johnson and the ĎMiamií 4-3.
Contemporary 4-3 fronts
Most 4-3 defenses today use either the read-and-react philosophy of the Landry flex or the read-on-the-run philosophy of an aggressive, downhill front like the Miami front (or a variation of Buddy Ryanís aggressive 46 defense). Some may use a little of both depending on personnel. Almost all have playbooks that include over and under fronts.
But the evolution of the 4-3 didnít stop with Jimmy Johnsonís aggressive use of undersized but quick talent. In the past decade, we saw the introduction and widespread use of a variation in coverage known as the Tampa-2 and a hybrid defense that combines both 3-4 and 4-3 concepts to highlight a roving pass rusher as the centerpiece of an aggressive front seven. In the next installment, weíll look at those variations and wrap up our look at the 4-3 front.
This defense is the definition of bend but not break, as it takes away the deep ball and forces teams to be patient as they work well from 20 yd line to 20 yard line but then struggle when the field shrinks as they near the red zone. The hope is that somewhere along the line the offense will make a mistake or the speedy defense will cause a turnover. The key to the Tampa 2 is speed in the back seven as the DB's and LB's have lots of ground to cover. Teams also have to be able to both create pressure with only their front four and be able to stop the run with just their front seven.
This one does a damn good job of showing what the DB's (and LB'rs) read based on the WR's routes/stems prior to their breaks.
Key note to notice, if you care to, is that all the DB's initial movement is away from from LOS with very little of that movement going towards the LOS. Again, the focus is to keep the WR infront of you (DB) with you (DB) between him (WR) and the goal line.
Note that Cover 2 is not Tampa 2, a Tampa 2 scheme is closer to Cover 3 zone.Strengths of Cover 2 Zone:
Ability to jam outside receivers and direct them inwards (called funneling), disrupting their timing routes.
Coverage of the flat area. In Cover 3 usually a LB/SS has to get over to the flat, in C2, the Corner is already there. Ths helps take away "out" routes.
Better coverage of underneath zones, with 5 defenders. This can hold up the TE on his route and help on the weakside run containment.
Weaknesses of Cover 2 Zone:
Strongside Curl routes can pose issues for the Linebackers.
Run support off-tackle
Deep coverage in the very middle of the field and along the boundary.
Long story short, the zone coverage scheme of the T2/C2 rely on pressure from the front 4 to cause mistakes. The DB's and LB's capitalize on those mistakes and that is were the turnovers come from , not from the DB providing a press/man coverage and picking the ball of.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093881
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093882
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093878
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1093852
04-18-2011, 11:11 PM #37
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093884
Exactly! With player that can run the scheme it's a great defence for forcing interceptions, imo one of the best.
Who cares if we don't get to see a Darelle Revis type guy shutting down a side of the field. Or that we don't have a Darren, Cant Tackle, Sharper running amok at FS. Turnovers are turnovers.
Problem for us right now is we don't have the players to run the scheme properly, or any scheme imo.. Depth at CB, a starting safety and a solid DT are all priorities, and that's if we can coax Ray into coming back.
04-18-2011, 11:17 PM #38
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)
Personally i think were gonna see a bit more in the turn over Diff but also see big plays happen a bit more in the Frazier/Pagac defense
A good example was the eagles game we had great pressure and it effected vick right from the start.
Overall the best Defense we played for the season
04-19-2011, 11:26 AM #39
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1093944Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-19-2011, 11:27 AM #40
Re: Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1093946
Although they are still working it out of a 3-4 defense, I think that Pitts is the best at it right now.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
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