Music to Marrdro's Ears (Twist in McShay's draft)

**12purplepride28** · 04-14-2011, 02:02 AM

12. Minnesota Vikings
Player: Auburn nose tackle Nick Fairley
Seifert comment: Earlier this year, Fairley was considered the top prospect in the draft. Scouts Inc. now ranks him No. 11 overall. Vikings coach Leslie Frazier has made clear that he wants to rejuvenate the defensive line, and the possible departure of free agent Pat Williams would open a hole that Fairley could fill.

**Purple Floyd** · 04-14-2011, 02:18 AM

My theory is they are waiting for the contract to get hashed out and then I would not be surprised to see them make a move for Haynesworth. Prior to the skins going to a 3-4 he was dominant and he would give us a devastating DL.

**12purplepride28** · 04-14-2011, 02:46 AM

I would love to get Haynesworth. And Dareus. We would have an awesome internal D-line with Allen and Robison/Griffen on the other side.

**Marrdro** · 04-14-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093585

Twist in this Todd McShay Draft

12. Minnesota Vikings
Player: Auburn nose tackle Nick Fairley
Seifert comment: Earlier this year, Fairley was considered the top prospect in the draft. Scouts Inc. now ranks him No. 11 overall. Vikings coach Leslie Frazier has made clear that he wants to rejuvenate the defensive line, and the possible departure of free agent Pat Williams would open a hole that Fairley could fill.

Thanks my friend. I see your figuring out that I like the bigs in the middle.:laugh:

Truth of the matter is, I would cream 3 or 4 pair of shorts if this were to happen and heard on NFLN last night that he has slipped, along with Bowers to about the middle of the first round on alot of GM's boards.

On a side note, wish I could see the insider mock. If you can see them, can you tell me were they had the QB's going?

**Marrdro** · 04-14-2011, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093595

I would love to get Haynesworth. And Dareus. We would have an awesome internal D-line with Allen and Robison/Griffen on the other side.

Agree except for Rob. I love the guy but he isn't a everydown LDE. If JA plays the way he played last year (got beat by one guy all the time, got caugth upfield rushing passer on running plays) I could see him taking some reps from JA over at RDE though.

In short, good fit as a RDE, good fit as a situational passer at LDE on obvious passing downs as well as a few at DT, but he isn't an every down kindof guy on that side.

**Marrdro** · 04-14-2011, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1093589

My theory is they are waiting for the contract to get hashed out and then I would not be surprised to see them make a move for Haynesworth. Prior to the skins going to a 3-4 he was dominant and he would give us a devastating DL.

It appears that Haynesworth and Fairley are cut of the same mold.

In the end, lets see if Leslie is the "Players Coach" everyone says he is and give him one of them to coach up.

Better yet, let Pagac get ahold of them and their attitude. Looks to me like coach Pagac doesnt' put up with crap like that either.

Kindof a good cop (Leslie) bad cop (Pagac) approach.

**jargomcfargo** · 04-14-2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093614

Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093595

I would love to get Haynesworth. And Dareus. We would have an awesome internal D-line with Allen and Robison/Griffen on the other side.

Agree except for Rob. I love the guy but he isn't a everydown LDE. If JA plays the way he played last year (got beat by one guy all the time, got caugth upfield rushing passer on running plays) I could see him taking some reps from JA over at RDE though.

In short, good fit as a RDE, good fit as a situational passer at LDE on obvious passing downs as well as a few at DT, but he isn't an every down kindof guy on that side.

This won't be popular but I would sure like to see us sign Ray again. Hell, why not pay the man. He was a fourth round pick and has outplayed his contract.
In order of importance,I would concentrate on signing Rice first, however.

Fairly I could live with. Bowers I wouldn't draft.

**skum** · 04-14-2011, 03:13 PM

I just puked.. ugh.. i really really hate Nick Fairley..

**Marrdro** · 04-14-2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1093647

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093614

Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093595

I would love to get Haynesworth. And Dareus. We would have an awesome internal D-line with Allen and Robison/Griffen on the other side.

Agree except for Rob. I love the guy but he isn't a everydown LDE. If JA plays the way he played last year (got beat by one guy all the time, got caugth upfield rushing passer on running plays) I could see him taking some reps from JA over at RDE though.

In short, good fit as a RDE, good fit as a situational passer at LDE on obvious passing downs as well as a few at DT, but he isn't an every down kindof guy on that side.

This won't be popular but I would sure like to see us sign Ray again. Hell, why not pay the man. He was a fourth round pick and has outplayed his contract.
In order of importance,I would concentrate on signing Rice first, however.

Fairly I could live with. Bowers I wouldn't draft.

I think that the issue with Ray and why the staff isn't going to resign him, has alot to do with his size and if he can live up to a long term deal, and the beating that will come with, playing LDE over that contract.

As with Rob, both are better suited as a RDE at this level.

Dont' get me wrong, I think he has done a great job over there, but we have started to see some dings happen, which I think, will turn into major games missed issues this year.

Now if they thought they could get something nice for JA and could resign Ray, slim him back down to 260ish, then yes, resign him, move him back to RDE and let Griff/Jordan take over the duties at LDE with Rob backing up Ray.

Problem with that is, to do that shift you would have to pass on Fairley and if you don't fix the problem in the middle so the pocket gets collapsed, the QB will just step up and away from the DE's as they come after him so it wouldn't matter who you have at DE if you don't collapse the pocket.

I would love to see a line like RDE JA or Ray DT (3/5 Tech) Kdubb DT 0/3 Tech) Fairley LDE Griff. Back those guys up with Rob at the two DE spots, Guion behind K-dubb and bring in a vet (maybe JK) behind Fairley.

That would fix the problems we have been seeing in pass coverage and poor angles to runners by S's as well as the clean pockets QB's have been seeing the last year or so.

**jargomcfargo** · 04-14-2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093658

Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1093647

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093614

Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1093595

I would love to get Haynesworth. And Dareus. We would have an awesome internal D-line with Allen and Robison/Griffen on the other side.

Agree except for Rob. I love the guy but he isn't a everydown LDE. If JA plays the way he played last year (got beat by one guy all the time, got caugth upfield rushing passer on running plays) I could see him taking some reps from JA over at RDE though.

In short, good fit as a RDE, good fit as a situational passer at LDE on obvious passing downs as well as a few at DT, but he isn't an every down kindof guy on that side.

This won't be popular but I would sure like to see us sign Ray again. Hell, why not pay the man. He was a fourth round pick and has outplayed his contract.
In order of importance,I would concentrate on signing Rice first, however.

Fairly I could live with. Bowers I wouldn't draft.

I think that the issue with Ray and why the staff isn't going to resign him, has alot to do with his size and if he can live up to a long term deal, and the beating that will come with, playing LDE over that contract.

As with Rob, both are better suited as a RDE at this level.

Dont' get me wrong, I think he has done a great job over there, but we have started to see some dings happen, which I think, will turn into major games missed issues this year.

Now if they thought they could get something nice for JA and could resign Ray, slim him back down to 260ish, then yes, resign him, move him back to RDE and let Griff/Jordan take over the duties at LDE with Rob backing up Ray.

Problem with that is, to do that shift you would have to pass on Fairley and if you don't fix the problem in the middle so the pocket gets collapsed, the QB will just step up and away from the DE's as they come after him so it wouldn't matter who you have at DE if you don't collapse the pocket.

I would love to see a line like RDE JA or Ray DT (3/5 Tech) Kdubb DT 0/3 Tech) Fairley LDE Griff. Back those guys up with Rob at the two DE spots, Guion behind K-dubb and bring in a vet (maybe JK) behind Fairley.

That would fix the problems we have been seeing in pass coverage and poor angles to runners by S's as well as the clean pockets QB's have been seeing the last year or so.

One thing I like about your analysis of Ray, it's not a popularity contest. Ray wont be noted as a fan favorite. But he can play.
He may not hold up but he's done a fine job so far.

"Problem with that is, to do that shift you would have to pass on Fairley and if you don't fix the problem in the middle so the pocket gets collapsed, the QB will just step up and away from the DE's as they come after him so it wouldn't matter who you have at DE if you don't collapse the pocket."

Preaching to the choir here bro.. I've been looking for a pocket collapsing/penetrating DT for the last couple years.