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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    he'd have to learn to play lower to be an effective speed rusher.

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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "V4L" wrote:
    "mountainviking" wrote:
    I think Heath is a FA too...restricted style this year, not next.
    I'd love to sign both these guys!!
    DT has been great when coming in to backup a LB!!
    Talented and intelligent enough to backup all three spots!!?!
    And helps on ST.
    Yeah, he'll probably be starting somewhere else next year...D'oh!

    Heath is our ST star!!
    I really like how that unit has improved, and would love to see it continue!!!

    Sure, he can be a pass rusher...from a 3-4 featuring Pat in the middle, Udeze and KWill flanking ;D
    That would be a great idea actually I think

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    Make it happen
    K-wills first year we ran alot of 3-4 under Ted Cottrell .
    He hated it, mostly because he struggled in it.
    Maybe he is a better player now and would do better.

    I for one think you stick with our Base 4-3 cover 2 and mix the 3-4 in during certain situations to confuse as we saw them do this year.
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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "mountainviking" wrote:
    I think Heath is a FA too...restricted style this year, not next.
    I'd love to sign both these guys!!
    DT has been great when coming in to backup a LB!!
    Talented and intelligent enough to backup all three spots!!?!
    And helps on ST.
    Yeah, he'll probably be starting somewhere else next year...D'oh!

    Heath is our ST star!!
    I really like how that unit has improved, and would love to see it continue!!!

    Sure, he can be a pass rusher...from a 3-4 featuring Pat in the middle, Udeze and KWill flanking ;D
    That would be a great idea actually I think

    3-4 D

    K-will... Pat.... Udeze

    Greenway.... EJ... DT.... Leber

    Make it happen
    K-wills first year we ran alot of 3-4 under Ted Cottrell .
    He hated it, mostly because he struggled in it.
    Maybe he is a better player now and would do better.

    I for one think you stick with our Base 4-3 cover 2 and mix the 3-4 in during certain situations to confuse as we saw them do this year.

    That's what I meant.. Sorry I didn't go into it too much

    I like the base 4-3.. With a 3-4 mixed in I think we could incorperate some good blitz packages to get more pressure


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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "Overlord" wrote:
    Interesting question...

    He is what would generally be considered to be too light.
    He's listed at 241 lbs.
    Compare that to the 300-350 lb. behomeths that he would have to face.
    Another comparison is to other speed rushing defensive ends.
    Even the small guys are at least 260 lbs. (Kearse, Suggs, Robison...).


    That being said, the guy is almost as strong as Robison based soley on draft stats (26 bench reps for Thomas, 27 for Robison).
    With several years of NFL training under his belt, I'd say he's probably stronger now.

    There's also the issue that even though Thomas is fast, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's got a quick first step that you need to be a big time pass rusher.

    But the biggest reason I can think of for not moving him is that he doesn't have the experience using his hands or rushing from a 3-point stance.
    It's not as simple as just a few weeks of practice to learn that stuff.

    So, I'd say no.
    please dont ever put robison's name next to kearse and suggs
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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "olson_10" wrote:
    "Overlord" wrote:
    Interesting question...

    He is what would generally be considered to be too light.
    He's listed at 241 lbs.
    Compare that to the 300-350 lb. behomeths that he would have to face.
    Another comparison is to other speed rushing defensive ends.
    Even the small guys are at least 260 lbs. (Kearse, Suggs, Robison...).


    That being said, the guy is almost as strong as Robison based soley on draft stats (26 bench reps for Thomas, 27 for Robison).
    With several years of NFL training under his belt, I'd say he's probably stronger now.

    There's also the issue that even though Thomas is fast, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's got a quick first step that you need to be a big time pass rusher.

    But the biggest reason I can think of for not moving him is that he doesn't have the experience using his hands or rushing from a 3-point stance.
    It's not as simple as just a few weeks of practice to learn that stuff.

    So, I'd say no.
    please dont ever put robison's name next to kearse and suggs
    What the hell is wrong with that?
    He was using it as a size comparison not a career comparison.

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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "olson_10" wrote:
    "Overlord" wrote:
    Interesting question...

    He is what would generally be considered to be too light.
    He's listed at 241 lbs.
    Compare that to the 300-350 lb. behomeths that he would have to face.
    Another comparison is to other speed rushing defensive ends.
    Even the small guys are at least 260 lbs. (Kearse, Suggs, Robison...).


    That being said, the guy is almost as strong as Robison based soley on draft stats (26 bench reps for Thomas, 27 for Robison).
    With several years of NFL training under his belt, I'd say he's probably stronger now.

    There's also the issue that even though Thomas is fast, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's got a quick first step that you need to be a big time pass rusher.

    But the biggest reason I can think of for not moving him is that he doesn't have the experience using his hands or rushing from a 3-point stance.
    It's not as simple as just a few weeks of practice to learn that stuff.

    So, I'd say no.
    please dont ever put robison's name next to kearse and suggs

    He wasn't comparing thier talent.. He was comparing their size

    And Robison had more sacks then Kearse and Suggs anyway

    I know that doesn't mean too much.. But still

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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    I would like to see Leber in defensive end situations as an experiment.
    For that matter, I am not sure why KWill is not put
    on the end during obvious passing downs.
    Having him inside without PWill just means that he gets double teamed.
    It is more difficult to double team the end and I think he could have some success.
    It could be that this has been tried, but his technique at end is not strong.


    I would like to see DThomas stay, but I think he will move on and the roster will be filled with a middle round pick and/or free agents.

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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "Overlord" wrote:
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    I hope he winds up in the Green and Gold.. the dude was a monster in college, anyone know why he has struggled with the Vikes?
    All of our linebackers were terrible before we got decent coaching at the position a few years ago.
    Tice and his staff kept drafting these talented LBs that 'just need to be coached up.'
    Without the coaching they looked bad.
    Couldn't defend the pass to save their lives.
    Getting back far enough in zone was just beyond them.


    With good coaching, Thomas has been fine the past couple of years, but Leber and Henderson have been standouts and obviously the franchise is invested in Greenway, who is also a good player.
    I hope we can keep Thomas though, we'll see.

    That's my take anyway.
    Yea thats a pretty good take on it honestly.

    Thomas has far from "struggled" with the vikings, the only thing is right now he just doesn't get his name mentioned, because of our starting 3 LB's all playing well, and Cuircui & Farwell (both LBs) playing well on Special Teams.

    Thomas, however, last I checked, was the primary back up for all three LB positions, and the coaching staff is confident that if needed he could fill in decently for any of those spots.
    I was more than happy to get that mans autograph right next to Rice's on one of my footballs


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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    "cito" wrote:
    I would like to see Leber in defensive end situations as an experiment.
    For that matter, I am not sure why KWill is not put
    on the end during obvious passing downs.
    Having him inside without PWill just means that he gets double teamed.
    It is more difficult to double team the end and I think he could have some success.
    It could be that this has been tried, but his technique at end is not strong.


    I would like to see DThomas stay, but I think he will move on and the roster will be filled with a middle round pick and/or free agents.
    He was projected as a LDE kindof player coming out of college but I wonder how much the extra weight and mileage has done to his speed.

    When the Vikes drafted him I really thought they would use him off the edge a bit more during his career (He did have the same 40 time as say a Jared Allen coming out of college), but I don't think he really has the quick step off the line the a DE would need these days.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...-sugg-de_x.htm


    By the way, Jared Allens 40 yard time was 4.88
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ho%20State.htm
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    Re: Move Dontarrious Thomas to DE?

    KW's first year under Tice he was a DE, but yes with the weight, and having wonderful players like Fred Robbins, and an overrated and soon to be gone Hovan at DT, he had to be moved
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