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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "mad-dog_six-eight" #1094835
    NFL.com has some mocks up that kinda surprise me.
    in the 5 mocks, they all have the vikings taking a DE, except for one, who has the vikes taking a DT.

    here they are, the writer and their viking pick:

    Pat Kirwan: DE C.Jordan

    he has Gabbert going to Miami at 15 and Locker going to Seattle at 25. i think Gabbert will definitely go higher than Locker but I dont think that the Vikes let Gabbert go if he falls to them.

    Bucky Brooks: DE D.Bowers

    He has P.Amukamara going to the lions at 13 and C.Jordan going to the Pats at 17. I think the Vikings take either of those two before Bowers.

    Brian Baldinger: DE C.Jordan

    He has P.Amukamara going to the Lions too and Locker going to the Seahawks as well. I really think the vikes would take either of these guys before they draft DE.

    these are just a few of the mocks up right now. i really don't think the vikings will draft DE with the 12th pick. i think either they get their QB or they trade back and pick up a low 1st and either a 2nd or 3rd. who knows, maybe they'll get a player if this lockout stuff is figured out in the next coming hours
    ESPN is running their mock today on sportscenter and have us picking Locker at 12.
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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1094867
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094863
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1094857
    due to needing to adapt the offense to the players.
    Hmm... so that means we'll be running a completely different scheme next year. YAY!
    Changing to a pass, pass, run & punt scheme from the old run, run, pass and punt :laugh:

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    Perhaps Musgrave will get confused with coaching so far up north, think he's in the CFL and implement the Run/Incomplete Pass/Punt offense.

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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

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    Which is why he is a good fit here. We are going to go away from it.
    HC says he isn't gonna change much other than to run more.
    Musgrove is a WCO guy. He also favors mobile QB's to run it.
    OL coach has a WCO background.
    QB coach has a WCO background.
    Team is geared to run the WCO.
    Time is short to implement a whole new scheme even if your team and staff weren't geared to run a WCO.
    Every QB we've talked to (except Mallet)fits the scheme.
    Every FA that is of any worth comes from the WCO scheme.

    Why oh why do you think we are moving away from the WCO? Is it because of the one article, written by a cat who can't even spell NFL that said we MIGHT move away from it?
    Sinca any information is scarce i take what I get and that is as much or more substantiation than you have to back your claim.

    Quick question- Tomlin was a tampa 2 coach his whole coaching career. Refresh me on whether the defense was switched to tampa 2 in Pitt when he was hired?

    Just because you coached in a particular system doesn't mean you are going to continue in that system. Heck, Bill Walsh cut his teeth in the Coryell type offense but he changed to the now infamous WCO due to needing to adapt the offense to the players. Anything can happen.

    Great coaches don't have a set in stone "system"...they change/adapt to the players strengths and that becomes there "system". Which is why Childress was a terrible coach, he expected the players to mold into the system.

    The biggest reason Musgrave was brought in here IMO is for the offensive line...he had a bunch of no-name linemen in Atlanta and just look at the rushing numbers they put up. If he can work that magic here, we'll be a pretty solid team regardless of QB.

    I don't understand why Musgrave is associated with WCO anyway...Atlanta didn't run it, and as much, if not more of his background is in offenses other than the WCO.

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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1094857
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094572
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1094557
    Which is why he is a good fit here. We are going to go away from it.
    HC says he isn't gonna change much other than to run more.
    Musgrove is a WCO guy. He also favors mobile QB's to run it.
    OL coach has a WCO background.
    QB coach has a WCO background.
    Team is geared to run the WCO.
    Time is short to implement a whole new scheme even if your team and staff weren't geared to run a WCO.
    Every QB we've talked to (except Mallet)fits the scheme.
    Every FA that is of any worth comes from the WCO scheme.

    Why oh why do you think we are moving away from the WCO? Is it because of the one article, written by a cat who can't even spell NFL that said we MIGHT move away from it?
    Sinca any information is scarce i take what I get and that is as much or more substantiation than you have to back your claim.
    OK, I can live with that, but I just didn't claim it. I actually have used quotes from the staff about running alot and then given actual runs/plays breakdowns from the history (not just one incident) they have had.

    Is it factual? No, just speculation on my part, but based on data, not just a claim.

    Quick question- Tomlin was a tampa 2 coach his whole coaching career. Refresh me on whether the defense was switched to tampa 2 in Pitt when he was hired?
    You know, at first I bought into the "he didn't change anything" because of the defensive coordinator on that staff, but if you really take a look, they still run a base 3-4 but that "Zone/Press" they run is alot like a C2/T2 scheme.

    Those DB's still line up in 1/4's, 1/2's and 1/3'rds zones. They are just a bit more aggressive with the press at the line, which by the way, is still a staple of the C2. Press and force your man inside so the LB can help kindof thought.

    Listen to Tomlin talk the next time he talks scheme. You will here him say stuff like C4, C6, C8. Again, just cause the base is 3-4 doesn't mean he hasn't influenced what is going on on that defense.


    Just because you coached in a particular system doesn't mean you are going to continue in that system. Heck, Bill Walsh cut his teeth in the Coryell type offense but he changed to the now infamous WCO due to needing to adapt the offense to the players. Anything can happen.
    I agree, but in essence it was still the WCO scheme.

    Changing from our variant to the Atlanta variant only means we change our base set from a 22 set to a 11 or possibly a 10 set. Still the WCO, just changes how your route stems attack the defense with one being lateral and the other being vertical.
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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094923
    OK, I can live with that, but I just didn't claim it. I actually have used quotes from the staff about running alot and then given actual runs/plays breakdowns from the history (not just one incident) they have had.

    Is it factual? No, just speculation on my part, but based on data, not just a claim.
    So basically you are in the dark as much as the next rube like myself.

    You know, at first I bought into the "he didn't change anything" because of the defensive coordinator on that staff, but if you really take a look, they still run a base 3-4 but that "Zone/Press" they run is alot like a C2/T2 scheme.
    Apparently you miseed the point.You made the case we will stick to the C2 because that is what the coaches did in another location. Well,Pitt didn't change to a T2. They still run a 3-4 and no matter how much lipstick you try to put on that pig, it's still a 3-4.

    Those DB's still line up in 1/4's, 1/2's and 1/3'rds zones. They are just a bit more aggressive with the press at the line, which by the way, is still a staple of the C2. Press and force your man inside so the LB can help kindof thought.
    Are they in a 3-4 or a 4-3?

    Listen to Tomlin talk the next time he talks scheme. You will here him say stuff like C4, C6, C8. Again, just cause the base is 3-4 doesn't mean he hasn't influenced what is going on on that defense.
    But the real question is will I hear him say T2? If not then my point is established.



    Changing from our variant to the Atlanta variant only means we change our base set from a 22 set to a 11 or possibly a 10 set. Still the WCO, just changes how your route stems attack the defense with one being lateral and the other being vertical.
    But fundamentally it takes a different QB. Heck, with that type of change Jackson would suddenly be a better looking QB except for his mechanical malfunctions. But I digress... In the end to change that variation means you look for a different kind of QB.And in that case Kolb is not it. No need in wasting more server space hashing it out.

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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "mad-dog_six-eight" #1094835
    NFL.com has some mocks up that kinda surprise me.
    in the 5 mocks, they all have the vikings taking a DE, except for one, who has the vikes taking a DT.

    here they are, the writer and their viking pick:

    Pat Kirwan: DE C.Jordan

    he has Gabbert going to Miami at 15 and Locker going to Seattle at 25. i think Gabbert will definitely go higher than Locker but I dont think that the Vikes let Gabbert go if he falls to them.

    Bucky Brooks: DE D.Bowers

    He has P.Amukamara going to the lions at 13 and C.Jordan going to the Pats at 17. I think the Vikings take either of those two before Bowers.

    Brian Baldinger: DE C.Jordan

    He has P.Amukamara going to the Lions too and Locker going to the Seahawks as well. I really think the vikes would take either of these guys before they draft DE.

    these are just a few of the mocks up right now. i really don't think the vikings will draft DE with the 12th pick. i think either they get their QB or they trade back and pick up a low 1st and either a 2nd or 3rd. who knows, maybe they'll get a player if this lockout stuff is figured out in the next coming hours
    I hear ya about a DE at 12. I don't see the logic behind one there either, however, if they are forced to pick there, and look at the board, it looks like DE might just be the BPA if they don't opt to reach for a QB.


    CBS.com big board looks like this......

    [strike]1 Patrick Peterson CB 1 LSU Jr 6-0 219 4.31 15
    2 Von Miller OLB 1 Texas A&M Sr 6-3 246 4.42 21
    3 Marcell Dareus DT 1 Alabama Jr 6-3 319 4.93 24
    4 A.J. Green WR 1 Georgia Jr 6-4 211 4.48 18
    5 Robert Quinn DE 1 North Carolina Jr 6-4 265 4.62 22
    6 Prince Amukamara CB 2 Nebraska Sr 6-0 206 4.38 15
    7 Nick Fairley DT 2 Auburn Jr 6-4 291 4.84 N/A
    8 Julio Jones WR 2 Alabama Jr 6-3 220 4.34 17
    9 Blaine Gabbert QB 1 Missouri Jr 6-4 234 4.61 N/A
    10 Tyron Smith OT 1 Southern California Jr 6-5 307 4.95 29
    11 Cam Newton QB 2 Auburn rJr 6-5 248 4.56 N/A [/strike]

    Assuming that the group above is gone, you have the following choices...

    12 Cameron Jordan DE 2 California Sr 6-4 287 4.74 25
    13 Mark Ingram RB 1 Alabama Jr 5-09 215 4.62 21
    14 J.J. Watt DE 3 Wisconsin rJr 6-5 290 4.81 34
    15 Ryan Kerrigan DE 4 Purdue Sr 6-4 267 4.67 31
    16 Anthony Castonzo OT 2 Boston College Sr 6-7 311 5.21 28
    17 Da'Quan Bowers DE 5 Clemson Jr 6-3 280 4.92 22
    18 Corey Liuget DT 3 Illinois Jr 6-2 298 4.97 27
    19 Aldon Smith DE 6 Missouri rSo 6-4 263 4.74 20
    20 Mike Pouncey

    Don't need a RB, Castonzo could be an option but we don't really need one, is it to soon for Liuget?

    Gonna be a tough one to figure out who to take at 12 my friend. I'm glad ole Ricky boy has the call and not me.
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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "jargomcfargo" #1094870
    Quote Originally Posted by "mad-dog_six-eight" #1094835
    NFL.com has some mocks up that kinda surprise me.
    in the 5 mocks, they all have the vikings taking a DE, except for one, who has the vikes taking a DT.

    here they are, the writer and their viking pick:

    Pat Kirwan: DE C.Jordan

    he has Gabbert going to Miami at 15 and Locker going to Seattle at 25. i think Gabbert will definitely go higher than Locker but I dont think that the Vikes let Gabbert go if he falls to them.

    Bucky Brooks: DE D.Bowers

    He has P.Amukamara going to the lions at 13 and C.Jordan going to the Pats at 17. I think the Vikings take either of those two before Bowers.

    Brian Baldinger: DE C.Jordan

    He has P.Amukamara going to the Lions too and Locker going to the Seahawks as well. I really think the vikes would take either of these guys before they draft DE.

    these are just a few of the mocks up right now. i really don't think the vikings will draft DE with the 12th pick. i think either they get their QB or they trade back and pick up a low 1st and either a 2nd or 3rd. who knows, maybe they'll get a player if this lockout stuff is figured out in the next coming hours
    ESPN is running their mock today on sportscenter and have us picking Locker at 12.
    Have I said lately how much I despise ESPN?

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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1094929
    ESPN is running their mock today on sportscenter and have us picking Locker at 12.
    Have I said lately how much I despise ESPN?[/quote]
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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    did anyone see the Bill Parcells Draft Confidential last night? i missed it and i've heard it was good

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    Re: "Mock Drafts I Like/Find Interesting" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094927
    Quote Originally Posted by "mad-dog_six-eight" #1094835
    NFL.com has some mocks up that kinda surprise me.
    in the 5 mocks, they all have the vikings taking a DE, except for one, who has the vikes taking a DT.

    here they are, the writer and their viking pick:

    Pat Kirwan: DE C.Jordan

    he has Gabbert going to Miami at 15 and Locker going to Seattle at 25. i think Gabbert will definitely go higher than Locker but I dont think that the Vikes let Gabbert go if he falls to them.

    Bucky Brooks: DE D.Bowers

    He has P.Amukamara going to the lions at 13 and C.Jordan going to the Pats at 17. I think the Vikings take either of those two before Bowers.

    Brian Baldinger: DE C.Jordan

    He has P.Amukamara going to the Lions too and Locker going to the Seahawks as well. I really think the vikes would take either of these guys before they draft DE.

    these are just a few of the mocks up right now. i really don't think the vikings will draft DE with the 12th pick. i think either they get their QB or they trade back and pick up a low 1st and either a 2nd or 3rd. who knows, maybe they'll get a player if this lockout stuff is figured out in the next coming hours
    I hear ya about a DE at 12. I don't see the logic behind one there either, however, if they are forced to pick there, and look at the board, it looks like DE might just be the BPA if they don't opt to reach for a QB.


    CBS.com big board looks like this......

    [strike]1 Patrick Peterson CB 1 LSU Jr 6-0 219 4.31 15
    2 Von Miller OLB 1 Texas A&M Sr 6-3 246 4.42 21
    3 Marcell Dareus DT 1 Alabama Jr 6-3 319 4.93 24
    4 A.J. Green WR 1 Georgia Jr 6-4 211 4.48 18
    5 Robert Quinn DE 1 North Carolina Jr 6-4 265 4.62 22
    6 Prince Amukamara CB 2 Nebraska Sr 6-0 206 4.38 15
    7 Nick Fairley DT 2 Auburn Jr 6-4 291 4.84 N/A
    8 Julio Jones WR 2 Alabama Jr 6-3 220 4.34 17
    9 Blaine Gabbert QB 1 Missouri Jr 6-4 234 4.61 N/A
    10 Tyron Smith OT 1 Southern California Jr 6-5 307 4.95 29
    11 Cam Newton QB 2 Auburn rJr 6-5 248 4.56 N/A [/strike]

    Assuming that the group above is gone, you have the following choices...

    12 Cameron Jordan DE 2 California Sr 6-4 287 4.74 25
    13 Mark Ingram RB 1 Alabama Jr 5-09 215 4.62 21
    14 J.J. Watt DE 3 Wisconsin rJr 6-5 290 4.81 34
    15 Ryan Kerrigan DE 4 Purdue Sr 6-4 267 4.67 31
    16 Anthony Castonzo OT 2 Boston College Sr 6-7 311 5.21 28
    17 Da'Quan Bowers DE 5 Clemson Jr 6-3 280 4.92 22
    18 Corey Liuget DT 3 Illinois Jr 6-2 298 4.97 27
    19 Aldon Smith DE 6 Missouri rSo 6-4 263 4.74 20
    20 Mike Pouncey

    Don't need a RB, Castonzo could be an option but we don't really need one, is it to soon for Liuget?

    Gonna be a tough one to figure out who to take at 12 my friend. I'm glad ole Ricky boy has the call and not me.
    If that's also the order of the remaining are graded I'd go with Jordan, he's a senior can make an impact now and be a replacement for Ray. One of the guys you had looked at was Smith as a lb but I wouldn't want to go that route in the 1st but may be if they got a guy like Brooks Reed in a later round and moved him to lb

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